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Next LH Long-haul Destination?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

what are you thinking will be the next long-haul destination for LH?

a city in India, China? or somthing new old in SouthAmerica (BOG, LIM)...

and what will be the next long-haul destination from Muc? GRU, CCS, MEX? for example?

intresting to hear your opinion.

regards


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
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User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

I would love to see them back here at PHX, but I dont think that will happen anytime soon.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

I think China or India stand a good chance. in both countries, LH is looking to add cities. COK in India was mentioned many times.

I'd say there are probably lots of candidates as LH is surely contiuously looking at markets they've already once served. I'm thinking here of TPE (despite the German-Chinese bilaterals).

let's see with what a comprehensive we can come up!

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if LH takes the DUS-EWR route back from PrivatAir and again operates it with an A343 or A330 as before 9-11. After CO and Delta opened up new fronts in HAM and TXL LH has to secure the DUS-NYC market with some additional capacity to make it less attractive for others ...

LH simply overslept the development in TXL with their strict and ignorant "NoIntercontinentalFlightsOutsideTheHubs" -Policy. No they have to react before DUS is overrun by the competition. DUS-ORD as operated by UA before until 2001 could also be an option.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

I think that LH is going to stick with its longhaul only from FRA and MUN policy, but that is just my opinion.

I think that LH will look to cities in India and China for further longhaul expansion - those markets is where the growth and action is at the moment.

Does LH serve Nagoya? With the new airport opening, that city is getting a lot of attention.

Regarding the US, with the HP/US deal going forward, does PHX suddenly make sense again for LH? I assume that the "new" US Airways will remain a STAR alliance member, and now PHX will be a major hub city (much like DEN is with UA).....just an idea.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
I think that LH is going to stick with its longhaul only from FRA and MUN policy, but that is just my opinion.

I am the same opinion, why should they change this? 2 airports with long-haul operations are enough.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Does LH serve Nagoya? With the new airport opening, that city is getting a lot of attention.

yes they do.



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
I think that LH is going to stick with its longhaul only from FRA and MUN policy, but that is just my opinion.

Also my opinion, but that's a strategy you can only afford as long as you can transfer sufficient traffic from the smaller airports to the hubs. In case your competition starts to offer direct connections from the smaller airports your strategy gets more and more undermined ....

Quoting Avianca (Reply 5):
I am the same opinion, why should they change this? 2 airports with long-haul operations are enough.

Dito. You can solve problems just by defining the desired outcome. But only as long you are the only one that affects the whole problem. But with more and more airlines flying directly from HAM, TXL and maybe DUS your feeder network gets under pressure ...


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 1):
I would love to see them back here at PHX, but I dont think that will happen anytime soon.

Sorry to hear that this connection has gone. I enjoyed being on the inaugural flight FRA-PHX in 2001. We had a very nice low level flight over the airport before returning to land and a great reception at PHX!


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

MUC-DEN perhaps???

Love to see MUC-CCA...I am not sure there is enough of a market to fill a A340



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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

I really think that YEG will be up there...not daily, but three to 5 times a week will work as AC can code-share teh flights

I know the YEG authority has been working on it


User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

There was talk earlier this year that Lufthansa was looking at coming back to the Australian market with their own metal, but with their codeshare agreement in place with Singapore Airlines, I doub't this will happen.

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

I'd love to see a second daily to YYZ or a MUC-YYZ to complement the AC service.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineKingGeo3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

I might as well say it because someone else will:

It's been widely rumored (mostly here) that PIT is near the top of the list for new LH service!

I wish.

-KG3



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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

I just hope one day I can see MTY amogn LH new long haul destinations... I do not care whether it is from FRA, MUC, DUS or even TXL!!!!!


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User currently offlineEDDM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
and what will be the next long-haul destination from Muc? GRU, CCS, MEX? for example?

What about the RG flight from GRU? Even made the cover of the printed timetable at one time, but nothing ever came of it.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 3):
I wouldn't be surprised if LH takes the DUS-EWR route back from PrivatAir and again operates it with an A343 or A330 as before 9-11. After CO and Delta opened up new fronts in HAM and TXL LH has to secure the DUS-NYC market with some additional capacity to make it less attractive for others ...

And run it at a loss?

Quoting Zizou (Reply 10):
There was talk earlier this year that Lufthansa was looking at coming back to the Australian market with their own metal, but with their codeshare agreement in place with Singapore Airlines, I doub't this will happen.

Won't happen. See the reasons KL quit the market as well.


User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

MUC - CUN will do great twice a week to begin with.


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Regarding the US, with the HP/US deal going forward, does PHX suddenly make sense again for LH? I assume that the "new" US Airways will remain a STAR alliance member, and now PHX will be a major hub city (much like DEN is with UA).....just an idea

I thought of this also - and would love to see it back in LH´s schedule as this would give an alternative to connecting thru LAX mainly ...

Quoting KingGeo3 (Reply 12):
It's been widely rumored (mostly here) that PIT is near the top of the list for new LH service!

FRA - PIT is served by US with B762. Therefore I don´t see LH opening upa second flight on that route; LH either would have to take over the route with US "diverting" to MUC (would be logical when taking available seats into account) - or if LH starts MUC - PIT with their smallest intercontinental a/c this would mean to "steal" US´s customers from the FRA - PIT flight.



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 15):
And run it at a loss?

Not at all. It seams that they have at least a decent business class clientele there. That lowers the risk and given current boom of NYC It won't be too hard to fill the back of ths bus ... does anyone know the load factor the PrivatAir flights DUS-EWR ?

But even anticipating (and accepting) a small loss could block DUS for CO and Delta ... in case the incoming flights TXL-DUS and HAM-DUC are well synchronized with a potential DUS-EWR flight they could even set CO and Delta under pressure this way ... with a daily 752 and 763 the air should be very thin at TXL ...


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 17):
FRA - PIT is served by US with B762

PIT-FRA is no longer served by US. That route has been dicontinued since US decided to drastically decrease their operations at PIT. And this is the exact reason why I think that if there will be a new LH destination in the USA, it won´t be PIT but rather MSY, MSP or STL as only a decent amount of connections could have justified a daily LH A330 or A340 to PIT. Meanwhile, the potential of business and leisure travellers is certainly equal or larger between FRA/MUC and the aforementioned destinations.  

[Edited 2005-07-06 20:30:20]

User currently offlineTuffer From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

What about a YYC-MUC to compliment AC's daily YYC-FRA? AC loads are always good on the FRA flight.....

User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Lufthansa officals went to STL and indeed they want to open a daily FRA-STL Route in Summer 2006 with a daily A-330-300 !!!!!!


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User currently offlineBlrbird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

What about FRA-SEA? there is no non stop on this route.


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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 21):
Lufthansa officals went to STL and indeed they want to open a daily FRA-STL Route in Summer 2006 with a daily A-330-300 !!!!!!

Interesting. Do you have any further information on this? I think it would be a reasonable step to open up STL as it is chronically underserved from central Europe since TWA disappeared from the skies.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting Blrbird (Reply 22):
What about FRA-SEA? there is no non stop on this route.

LH is flying to Portland (and doing OK with the route per rumors) so its unlikely that they will also fly to nearby SEA.

STL-FRA - now that is a surprise, lets see if that happens?!


25 Avianca : i hope for fra-bog or muc-ccs
26 Post contains images JET1977 : How About FRA-HNL/OGG?
27 ACDC8 : How were the Y class loads back then? DUS had daily services to EWR with LH's A340 and with CO's DC10, plus UA B767 service to first ORD then later I
28 MAH4546 : The CO service was a DC10 at one point, but in the 2000s, it was a 757. And then there is the always forgotten about LTU. LTU offers year-round MIA-D
29 FlyinTLow : For the US, I think PHX is the biggest candidate for now, just because it would make sense with the new US. It is also in the "warmer" parts of the US
30 Sabena332 : Yes, LT is flying MUC-CUN weekly (every Thursday). I think that you won't see LH in CUN, it is a low-yield tourist destination, they have Condor for
31 Dutchjet : Re DUS-EWR, I think LH is just fine with the Privatair arrangement, it keeps the full-fare premium customers happy and LH does not have to worry abou
32 Post contains images HT : Aaah ! US fooled me by showing FRA - PIT as "US 893"; I had to check at a different site to discover that this is actually is a connection thru PHL (
33 Avianca : they never operated the 757 into dus, it was a B767
34 ACDC8 : IIRC, the 757 service started in 2001 just a few months before CO suspeded service to DUS. I know about LTU, that's why I mentioned them (and I notic
35 Jmy007 : I have heard that LH folks have have talked to Lambert, and as much as I would LOVE to see STL-FRA on LH, I can not see how this could work. Being a
36 Avianca : no curently they operats a daily 744 into mex,
37 N77014 : If that was the case, LH would never have contracted with Privatair to begin with. The truth is, outside of FRA or MUC, there are few if any cities t
38 Post contains images ACDC8 : Would be interesting to note how AA flew the ORD-DUS pre 1996 era and after the formation of Star Alliance, the route suddenly changed to UA.
39 Dutchjet : They did, the route went from a DC10 to a 762, and then was downgraded in early 2001 after CO lost a big contract that kept the J class seats filled
40 Post contains images Sabena332 : CO flew EWR-DUS-EWR with four different aircraft types. They started with the DC-10, then they used the 767-200 and -400 and later also the 757-200.
41 Post contains links and images ACDC8 : Patrick, You might want to check the date and read the caption on the 767-400 picture you linked...   Here, this one's a little better... View Large
42 HighFlyer9790 : LH already serves most mainline US cities and i dont know how they are doing finacially. do the fly to Michigan? I know there is a relatively big Germ
43 Post contains links and images Sabena332 : Ups.... Ok, here is another one, taken on the day when CO operated EWR-DUS for the first time with the 764: View Large View MediumPhoto © Stepha
44 ACDC8 : DTW daily with an A330 I believe.
45 Post contains images 9V-SPF : The O&D market is definitely there and San Diego will perhaps become an option in the future. However, a problem might be that the A343 would have to
46 Avianca : I do not think so, the A343 is also not restricted from lax for example to muc, fra...etc. this is very new for me, how long did the operate the 757
47 HT : When FRA - PHX was in its final stages, LH operated a B767 into PHX for quite a while. IIRC it was wet-leased from DE, though I don´t know if any mo
48 Dutchjet : I may be a little off - but I would say from about March 2001 (a few weeks before the commencement of the Summer 2001 timetable) until October 2001,
49 BHMNONREV : Maybe STL officials want a daily A330 in Summer 2006, but without any significant Star feed I just can't see this happening. I have heard local leade
50 Avianca : I thought when they dropped the route they used the 762 on the route... I will recheck my sources...
51 MAH4546 : Yes, and, ironically, it operated MIA-MUC.
52 Jmy007 : This would be a coup for Lambert. If LH does come (and since I'm from Missouri, you have to show me the metal) I could see AA protecting its turf, ru
53 9V-SPF : I´m aware of the fact that FRA-SAN is well within the range of the A343 but the runway at SAN is pretty short. And we know that the A343 takes some
54 Avianca : how long is the runway?
55 9V-SPF : Both 763s (D-ABUV and D-ABUW were leased from Lauda Air.
56 9V-SPF : Sorry, can´t give you any numbers right now but I remember there was a similar thread about future LH destinations on here a while ago and when SAN
57 San747 : SAN has one runway, 9/27, which is 9,400 feet long with an 1,810 foot displaced threshold, which leaves about 7,600 feet of usuable landing length, b
58 Avianca : I think more than 3100 meters should be ok for a A340 europe bound.
59 Coronado990 : Could LH operated FRA-YYZ-SAN-YYZ-FRA and code share with AC and UA on the YYZ-SAN-YYZ segment? Would LH have rights between these two cities?
60 Trvlr : Hate to say it, but SAN-FRA is not going to happen, at least with any aircraft currently available. The problem with runway 27 is not so much its leng
61 PADSpot : Some weeks ago I visited the Japanese Festival Day at Duesseldorf and JAL was massively advertizing their FRA services. DUS has the biggest Japanese
62 BHMNONREV : I don't think AA really has any turf to defend in regards to international service from STL. STL-LGW ultimately failed and I don't believe AA has any
63 Post contains images Sabena332 : By the way, it would be great to see many, many FRA-MHV flights by Craphansa. Patrick
64 N1120A : PDX is a subsidized flight. SEA is a larger destination and is the home of a very large, important and rich corporation with a very large UA contract
65 MAH4546 : I believe JAL served DUS until the early 1990s. Not positive, though. Agreed, they would not. They aren't even strong in Frankfurt. ORD-FRA is a 763
66 LambertMan : After just getting off the plane from MBJ, I think I just wet my pants. I knew that they had been here before to scope out the scene, but I also thou
67 Atrude777 : Agreed, Lambertman, this is a shock for me to read, but it would be very cool to see. Alex
68 Delta777Jet : Again, Lufthansa is trying to start the FRA-STL route with the Summer Schedule of 2006 with a A-330-300 ! Lufthansa made a big researche how many busi
69 HT : So, this is inside information and nothing we can continue to discuss about whether it will happen or not ? -HT
70 HB-IWC : Lufthansa's A333s are equipped with First Class, so if this route were to happen without First Class, then it would most likely be operated by one of
71 Post contains links PADSpot : Nope. LH meanwhile operates A330-300 with a two class interior (48C /182Y). But of course the first that were delivered had 3 three classes. Here is
72 KWBL : A couple of clarifications about LH's service to PDX: 1. LH fight is not subsidized. There was a financial incentive package (pledges, wavier of landi
73 Ord777 : All of Lufthansa's A330's that were delivered new have a First Class (8/48/165). It's the A330's that they've received from other airlines that don't
74 Pzurita1 : Finally! Someone sees MTY as a likely candidate. When MX was member of Star Alliance, there were some rumors that either LH or MX could start flights
75 Johnnybgoode : i second that. the A330-300 seat map showing just a two-class config seems to be a typo. rgds daniel
76 LambertMan : I remember reading the statement that said that Aer Lingus would start flights to San Francisco, Denver, St. Louis and Miami if some agreement could
77 ACDC8 : True, I didn't even think about that. Didn't Blue Wings try a DUS - Japan flight a couple of years ago, with a leased A320 (D-ANNE I believe)? Didn't
78 SKA380 : How about MNL ? Any words on them makin that flight a direct one, to compete with KLM ? Regards, Leif
79 Jmy007 : Well if the LGW route failed, it took 23 years, and 3 airlines to fail it. I am hoping this is more than internet speculation about LH coming to Lamb
80 Post contains images BHMNONREV : Thanks for the correction, could not remember who was courting who, I just remember there being interest from one or the other. Could all just be spe
81 PADSpot : OK, if it is a typo I withdraw my statement ... DUS- Japan with a A320 ? How did that looked like ? Two stop-overs in the middle of Siberia (-->nowhe
82 LambertMan : The lack of a link and a source is troubling, but with knowledge of their prevoius interest in St.Louis I'd say LH has at the least a little genuine i
83 ACDC8 : There was an article about it in one of the first issues of DUS aiprorts magazines. I'm not too sure where in Japan they wanted to start service and
84 PADSpot : Must have been in 2002. BlueWings was not founded until then. Only one tech stop? D-ANNE has 164 seats (varying seat pitch of 29-34"!!) and V2500 eng
85 ACDC8 : If it was only one tech stop or two, I'm not sure myself. I'm trying to find some more information, but no luck yet. Like I said earlier, maybe they
86 MSYtristar : A few years back an LTU official was quoted as saying that New Orleans(MSY) is the "number one underserved market from Germany in the U.S". That was w
87 MSYtristar : All that being said, i've been saying the same things on here for some five years, so do I expect this to happen? Nah not really. But it would be nice
88 ACDC8 : I can see that there may be quite a bit of business for LH from MSY to FRA (and beyond as you stated), but MSY is not a major German tourist destinat
89 Dutchjet : MSY-FRA is a long-shot, but it could work since it would be the only nonstop connection between MSY and all of Europe, and LH certainly offers connect
90 MSYtristar : Actually I think N1120A stated that MSY is a big German tourist market. Germany is, I believe, the 3rd most popular market for international visitors
91 Post contains images ACDC8 : I believe that Germans are either in 1st or 2nd place as the most travelling country in the World. So chances are you'll see German's pretty well ever
92 MSYtristar : And when you do visit, be sure to let me know, I love showing people around the area. Trust me, there's more to the place than Bourbon Street.
93 PADSpot : We're second at best. The Swedes are by far the most travelling people ... a Swedish professor told me when I was at Stockholm University ... Well, I
94 HT : I can understand that from a climatic point of view. With those long winters up there it´s understandable that so many Swedes flock out to sunny spo
95 ACDC8 : I'd really appreciate that! The Japanese are quite up there too, but I know that the Reiselust der Deutschen ist weltrekord. I've been looking a bit
96 Avianca : I also never heard this, normally the guys say, NewEngland, NYC, Cali, LasVegas ord Florida... but why not, at least one passengers they would have o
97 Dutchjet : Lots of Europeans include New Orleans on a multi-stop itinerary thoughout the US - while the Europeans are not flying directly in and out of MSY, they
98 HT : That´s true for the total amount of people and money involved - but recalculated to a per captiva-ratio it´ll be the Swedes. (Some minor communitie
99 Post contains links PADSpot : Finally we had about the same amount of casualties (roughly more than 500). Only at the beginning of whole drama the Swedes had about twice as much p
100 Airevents : Chengdu Kolkata Cochin or Trivandrum Lahore Durban (maybe in connection with Cape Town) Besides, as LH is trying to get more involved in the oil busin
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