Brido From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7750 times:
In 1987 or so I flew LAX-SAN on a Pan Am 737.
The FA crew had done FRA-JFK-LAX over the previous several days. Then they did a LAX-SAN turn and ended their trip (!?) Strange but it was kind of trippy to be on a PA 737 domestically, most especially such a short flight.
GroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7698 times:
Pan Am indeed flew the 737's domestically...predominately out of MIA. My father (Clipper002) could shed more light on the routings but I travelled between MIA and TPA several times on the 737, as well as once between LAX and SAN. Some other markets I remember off-hand were MIA-MCO, MIA-IAH, MIA-MSY, and MIA-ATL.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2644 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7683 times:
I flew on a Pan Am B737-200 MIA-TPA in 1988. The aircraft wore billboard titles but it was an ex-Air Florida aircraft, betrayed by the fact that it still had a full Air Florida interior right down to the decals in the toilets!
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4): Wrong folks. Pan Am 737s did ply the US skies--it was towards the end of the Pan Am timeline after the Europe routes were dismantled.
I stand corrected. How long did they last, and how many made the transition?
It was my understanding that only a handful made the migration back to US...and then mostly to South Florida. It looks like it was more of the 737 fleet than I originally thought.
So we have Miami, Houston, Dulles, Tampa, and surprisingly enough SFO!,(That one really surprises me) any other markets?
Those were the Carnival 737-400's that were "operated by PA II". Remember Carnival paid Pan Am II for PA II to take over KW's fleet and take the Carnival name off the aircraft. After the VJ592, Mickey Arison (the owner of Carnival Corp) was deathly afraid that a crash of a Carnival Air Lines aircraft would negatively reflect on Carnival Cruise Lines (and NOTHING is allowed to reflect negatively on CCL) that he decided he needed a way to get the name off the aircraft while not closing the doors (which could also look bad for CCL).
As to the thread topic itself, the B-737-200's operated by PA did operate IGS primarily but, towards the end, they were brought back to the States and operated domestically (mostly out of MIA to TPA and MCO for the "Air Bridge" flights). When Ed Acker was finally ousted, those 737's went with him (along with his exhorbitantly high lease rates).
DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
HikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7325 times:
In the waning days of Pan Am I saw a few 737s in SFO.
It was really strange after always seeing their 747s there.
Almost as if someone from "The Fantastic Voyage" had their way
with one of the jumbos and miniaturized it.
Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 685 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7126 times:
Pan Am had a total of 16 737-200's, all of which flew the IGS and were given "Clipper" names for German cities. Five of these were former Air Florda aircraft and still maintained their AF registrations. When the IGS was disolved, these a/c were brought back to the states and based primarily at MIA. The worst run was the MIA/IAH schedule. Because of a lack of life rafts, these flights had to head north to just below TLH before they could turn west and go onto IAH. Of course the schedules reflected the time for a direct route, so the only way to try and keep the flights on schedule was for the crews to fly the "barbar pole" and blow fuel out the tail pipe.