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Pan Am 737-200 - Never Been To USA?  
User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Photos of Pan Am 737

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How many 737s did Pan Am fly? Only one? (all above photos - same aircraft) For how long?

All above photos were not taken in the USA. I want to know if Pan Am 737 ever been to USA?

these rare photos of Pan Am 737 are spectular. Pan Am is famous for 747, 727, A300, etc. - not the 737....

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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

I do not know how many 737's Pan Am flew, to my knowledge the were based from Berlin to fly Pan Am's intra-German and European connecting routes and never saw revenue service in the US.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

Nope. IGS. Intra-German Services primarily.

When they were in the fleet, PanAm was international only from the US, so there weren't many, if any routes the aircraft could have been utilized on.

Yes, the 737 in PanAm colors is odd to Americans, not so much for Europeans.

By the time PanAm got domestic routes, the National 727 fleet already had the gig.



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User currently offlineBrido From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

In 1987 or so I flew LAX-SAN on a Pan Am 737.

The FA crew had done FRA-JFK-LAX over the previous several days. Then they did a LAX-SAN turn and ended their trip (!?) Strange but it was kind of trippy to be on a PA 737 domestically, most especially such a short flight.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Wrong folks. Pan Am 737s did ply the US skies--it was towards the end of the Pan Am timeline after the Europe routes were dismantled. I remember seeing them into HOU daily.


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User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Here is one in SFO...

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=50793

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User currently offlineGroundStop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Pan Am indeed flew the 737's domestically...predominately out of MIA. My father (Clipper002) could shed more light on the routings but I travelled between MIA and TPA several times on the 737, as well as once between LAX and SAN. Some other markets I remember off-hand were MIA-MCO, MIA-IAH, MIA-MSY, and MIA-ATL.


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User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6643 times:
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I flew on a Pan Am B737-200 MIA-TPA in 1988. The aircraft wore billboard titles but it was an ex-Air Florida aircraft, betrayed by the fact that it still had a full Air Florida interior right down to the decals in the toilets!

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There were several Pan Am B737s around Miami at the time in both old and new liveries, they were definitely common on the short intra-Florida runs at the time.

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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

I have pictures I took of a Pan Am 737-200 at Washington Dulles around 1989.


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User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

very good evidence .. thanks to all

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 7):
betrayed by the fact that it still had a full Air Florida interior right down to the decals in the toilets!

I would be betrayed too! but I've never flown on Pan Am 737-200  no 


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Nope. IGS. Intra-German Services primarily.



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4):
Wrong folks. Pan Am 737s did ply the US skies--it was towards the end of the Pan Am timeline after the Europe routes were dismantled.

I stand corrected. How long did they last, and how many made the transition?

It was my understanding that only a handful made the migration back to US...and then mostly to South Florida. It looks like it was more of the 737 fleet than I originally thought.
So we have Miami, Houston, Dulles, Tampa, and surprisingly enough SFO!,(That one really surprises me) any other markets?



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User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3120 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6391 times:
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Pan Am used a 737 to make four or five daily flights between SAN and LAX during the 1989-1990 period. Pan Am did poorly on the route and eventually transitioned down to a Dash 7.

Were you aware that Pan Am II flew the 737-400?
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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 11):
Were you aware that Pan Am II flew the 737-400?

Those were the Carnival 737-400's that were "operated by PA II". Remember Carnival paid Pan Am II for PA II to take over KW's fleet and take the Carnival name off the aircraft. After the VJ592, Mickey Arison (the owner of Carnival Corp) was deathly afraid that a crash of a Carnival Air Lines aircraft would negatively reflect on Carnival Cruise Lines (and NOTHING is allowed to reflect negatively on CCL) that he decided he needed a way to get the name off the aircraft while not closing the doors (which could also look bad for CCL).

As to the thread topic itself, the B-737-200's operated by PA did operate IGS primarily but, towards the end, they were brought back to the States and operated domestically (mostly out of MIA to TPA and MCO for the "Air Bridge" flights). When Ed Acker was finally ousted, those 737's went with him (along with his exhorbitantly high lease rates).

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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

In the waning days of Pan Am I saw a few 737s in SFO.
It was really strange after always seeing their 747s there.
Almost as if someone from "The Fantastic Voyage" had their way
with one of the jumbos and miniaturized it.



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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

I used to work them at DFW in 1989-1991. They had one on the MIA flight.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

I remember seeing them at DTW in the late 1980s

User currently offlineRicci767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Of course it has! It was built in the United States!!!!

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Pan Am had a total of 16 737-200's, all of which flew the IGS and were given "Clipper" names for German cities. Five of these were former Air Florda aircraft and still maintained their AF registrations. When the IGS was disolved, these a/c were brought back to the states and based primarily at MIA. The worst run was the MIA/IAH schedule. Because of a lack of life rafts, these flights had to head north to just below TLH before they could turn west and go onto IAH. Of course the schedules reflected the time for a direct route, so the only way to try and keep the flights on schedule was for the crews to fly the "barbar pole" and blow fuel out the tail pipe.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Point of clarification to this excellent information--Pan Am shifted ops from IAH to HOU at the end. I remember seeing the 737s leave Hobby bound for MIA and the 727s go to NYC and I believe SAT.


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User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5947 times:

I remember seeing one land in LAX early in the evening (5 or 6pm)
in February 1988. Was that maybe the one that came from SAN?


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 20):
remember seeing one land in LAX early in the evening (5 or 6pm)
in February 1988. Was that maybe the one that came from SAN?

Yes! They must of kept one based in LAX for the LAX-SAN and LAX-SFO service. They also had DHC-7 in Pan Am Express colors for the LAX - SAN route at one time.

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User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 11):
Were you aware that Pan Am II flew the 737-400?

No I was not aware. Interesting fact. I am aware that Pan Am flew the A320 -- shuttle service in the western cities?


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

I dont think PAA ever flew the A320 in any of its incarnations...

User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 23):
I dont think PAA ever flew the A320 in any of its incarnations...

I seem to recall that America West acquired one or more of their older A320s from Pan Am? I must be wrong, just my speculation.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

A320's were ordered by Pan Am
Delivered to Braniff II,
Then on to America West.



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25 Theredbaron : I flew in Pan Am on a 737-200 from MIA to MCO and back on a 722, in 1989 I think, darn noisy engines...
26 WesternA318 : Wasn't one of those PA/BN/HP A320's written off a few years ago?
27 FlyingZacko : Ummmmm..., let me think, taking in account Boeing is manufactured in Seattle, I would say: Yea it's been to the US before. Cheers, Sebastian
28 OPNLguy : HP had one land at PHX and collapse the nosegear a couple of years ago, and it was written off. That one, perhaps?
29 BOAC911 : the 737-200s served JFK-CLE-CVG vv. and JFK-DTW vv. for a brief period. Pan Am had ordered the A320 but cancelled due to its detiorating finacial situ
30 Post contains links and images Wayfarer : N635AW? View Large View MediumPhoto © James Richard Covington
31 Stirling : Just for fun, here is the complete list of the 737-200 Clippers: N380PA Neukolin N381PA Wedding N382PA Kruezberg N383PA Steglitz N385PA Berlin N387PA
32 Viscount630 : The PA 737-200s certainly were utilised on US-based routes. As with the original (pre-National merger) PA 727-100s before them, as well as their busy
33 Clipper002 : All of the names assigned to various Pan Am aircraft are listed in"Pan Am, an airline and its aircraft." However, the were numerous name changes made
34 Chgoflyer : I flew out of MIA on many Pan Am 737's ATL,ORD etc they where used to feed the S American flights.
35 Rossbaku : Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't the 737's have been built in the USA?[Edited 2005-07-07 00:25:07]
36 Flaps : I have a photo of N64AF in full PA livery at the old PIT terminal. I know they flew one summer on JFK-PIT. PA had a lot of beyond PIT segments with th
37 MSYtristar : I saw a few 732's in MSY towards the end, but most of the flights here were 722's. Most likely equipment swaps. Jdaniel001, did you work the DFW-MSY-M
38 Cody : They flew 737's from PIT to BNA as well.
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