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Houston Lobbying For India Service  
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

I thought the Houston Airport System was going to sit by and give up the services to DFW--it looks like they are finally starting a push for Air India and Jet Airways to choose IAH over DFW for the proposed India flights.
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=73835
This will be an interesting battle-and I'm sure this thread will turn into another Houston vs. Dallas thread  box  let's just keep this round clean though folks  Silly


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

It will be an interesting fight ... I wish they could work together and get one airline to serve DFW and the other to serve IAH.

This will be the first big test to see if DFW's new International Terminal D was worth it.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

I agree--I think that ultimately I think Air India will chose IAH and Jet will chose DFW.


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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4929 times:

I would suspect that you'll see AI do a DEL-FRA-DFW-IAH initally with a move to separate flights for each city should demand warrant.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4869 times:

Houston will keep stealing the international air service right from under DFW nose. Pakistan should have chosen DFW dangit!

User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4842 times:

-"‘‘Houston has the largest concentration of Asian Indians in Texas. It is the location of one of the five Government of India Consular Offices in the US. So, the city deserves to have a direct connecting flight from India,’’ he said."-

Several good points in the article. I am glad they are finally noting these things to the airline. It is about time!

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Houston, First word spoken from the moon


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4843 times:

IAH has much to offer a new entrant in the Indian market: a large and very wealthy Indian population, plenty of space in the int'l terminal (D), and close enough to either asia or europe to route a stopover. The only competition offered are via KL, LH, AF, or BA.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4826 times:

I don't see the compieitition.

From my unbiased point of view, this is only Houston's to lose. Dallas isn't getting it. And it is Air India or Jet Airways to Texas, not both. Just my two cents.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4810 times:

I believe both Jet and Air India plan on servicing Texas--Are there some type of regulations in place that prevent both from servicing Texas? The Dallas market can support a route as well as they have a sizeable market; however I think Houston will win one if not both.


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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4791 times:

Okay....but everyone know that Dallas is the better of the two cities. They have the better airport, less Hurricanes, less humidity, and most of all the Cowboys! Big grin

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4786 times:

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 4):
Houston will keep stealing the international air service right from under DFW nose. Pakistan should have chosen DFW dangit!

from what I know, Houston has a larger Pakistani base than Dallas does, though its a shame that even many Pakistani residents of Houston do not know that PK fly to their city.......

i'm working on getting on the first 777-200LR pax flight out of IHA to ISB... biggrin 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4778 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 8):
I believe both Jet and Air India plan on servicing Texas--Are there some type of regulations in place that prevent both from servicing Texas?

There are no such regulations, but this isn't Chicago or New York City. One airline can do very well serving a Texas-India routes. Two airlines will just hurt each other.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 9):
Okay....but everyone know that Dallas is the better of the two cities. They have the better airport, less Hurricanes, less humidity, and most of all the Cowboys!

Thumbs down on Dallas--better airport ha, Cowboys double ha, I get along fine with the humidity. Round 1 has begun  box 

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
There are no such regulations, but this isn't Chicago or New York City. One airline can do very well serving a Texas-India routes. Two airlines will just hurt each other.

I agree to a certain extent--Dallas and Houston can each support an airline--not two in the same city though. Dallas and Houston are two separate markets--large markets at that, that are separated by 250 or so miles.



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 12):
I agree to a certain extent--Dallas and Houston can each support an airline--not two in the same city though. Dallas and Houston are two separate markets--large markets at that, that are separated by 250 or so miles.

Agreed. Add to that the fact that especially in IAH, there is good european competition that you don't see in DFW. And a wraparound service won't work; two stops versus a one stop in a european hub?


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

 box  Let's get it on!


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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 3):
I would suspect that you'll see AI do a DEL-FRA-DFW-IAH

for the matter of politeness, I will suggest to route the flight from MAA instead of DEL, coz otherwise TexDravid won't take it, eh? Big grin


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 12):
Dallas and Houston are two separate markets--large markets at that, that are separated by 250 or so miles.

This isn't a short RJ hop. When talking about international carriers, regions such as Dallas and Houston compete to a much greater scale. LAX affects SAN, EWR affects PHL, MIA affects MCO, etc., etc.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Dallasites are not going to drive to IAH to take a flight on Air India or Jet nor are Houstonians going to drive up to DFW. They'll just continue to take LH, BA, KL, or AF via onestops through Europe. Two separate markets.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 17):
Dallasites are not going to drive to IAH to take a flight on Air India or Jet nor are Houstonians going to drive up to DFW. They'll just continue to take LH, BA, KL, or AF via onestops through Europe. Two separate markets.

However, people from other parts of Texas will drive to one or the other based on non-stops available, or alternately, price, when speaking of international service.

(Hello from Austin)

My most recent solution was to fly WN to BWI and then BA BWI-LHR over the pond instead though, since I had Rapid Rewards credits. However, DFW-CDG was tempting at $509. AUS-IAH-LGW was $651 on CO. For a direct USA-India flight I'd be willing to go out of either DFW or IAH.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32702 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 17):
Dallasites are not going to drive to IAH to take a flight on Air India or Jet nor are Houstonians going to drive up to DFW. They'll just continue to take LH, BA, KL, or AF via onestops through Europe. Two separate markets.

No, they will fly to IAH or DFW and make a connection. I am not saying they are the same market, though in terms of how an international airline thinks, they are in the same region, and to an international airline, regions are the markets, not metro areas. That's why many European/Asian airlines lack service to Philadelphia, Orlando, Dallas, and Detroit, decent sized international travel markets - too bad that they are so close to Newark, Miami, Houston, and Chicago, respectively.



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User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 15):

for the matter of politeness, I will suggest to route the flight from MAA instead of DEL, coz otherwise TexDravid won't take it, eh?

btw, where is he? have not seen posts from him for ages.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):

Not truly convinced that both airports could see service--but point well taken.



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 20):
btw, where is he? have not seen posts from him for ages.

4 days ago (July 2, 2005)

I first suspected him to be in the cooler, but probably he is just having a heart operation or eating idlis at the local shop  bigthumbsup  (Texi, no offence as you know)


User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

IAH's Term D (non-CO int'l arrivals/departures) basically goes unused except for the Eurorush between 1230 and 1600. If they can schedule a flight in the morning, there won't be the crush of other carriers' pax in the terminal. Even if they do decide to arrive amid the established int'l carriers, there's still room.

Personally, I'd love to see AI's tail among LH, KL, BA, PK and AF.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 23):
Personally, I'd love to see AI's tail among LH, KL, BA, PK and AF

It would make IAH look like the ORD or the LAX of the south. Save for MIA of course.



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25 Post contains images DfwRevolution : >> Thumbs down on Dallas--better airport ha, Cowboys double ha, I get along fine with the humidity. I'll only mention this point since you decided to
26 Post contains images Drerx7 : Touche Touche Houston does have the upper hand in this battle--we'll see if HAS can seal the deal.
27 Post contains images IAH777 : If the Cowpokes are "God's team", then why do they suck?
28 N77014 : Can we speculate on arrival/departure times? And what ethnic breakdoen does the Indian population in IAH/DFW have to convince one Indian destination o
29 Ssides : This will be minor. The key factor will be, and almost always is, business travel -- not people going home to see grandma.
30 Avek00 : If a flight is run as a one-stop ex-IAH, I'd fully expect it to go via Heathrow and screw the hell out of Gatwick-confined players CO and BA.
31 Shawnnyc : Houston and Dallas have similar sized Indian populations (hastens is marginally bigger). Austin would be third in Indian-American pop...don't Know if
32 Toxtethogrady : The deal-clincher would be a code-share partner for AI. With Continental starting Newark-Delhi, perhaps they are the logical partner for Air India, wh
33 Toxtethogrady : "I'd fully expect it to go via Heathrow and screw the hell out of Gatwick-confined players CO and BA." BA already goes IAH-ORD-LHR.
34 Avek00 : I was referring to NONSTOP flights IAH-London - neither BA nor CO can fly nonstop IAH-LHR.
35 Jdaniel001 : Hey hey...be nice. Everyone knows that the hole in the roof of Texas Stadium is so that God can watch his favarite team! Besides, the new internation
36 Lt-AWACS : What is your basis for that statement? Why would any foreign carrier want to switch due to a terminal when Houston is a bigger international market.
37 Post contains images IAH777 : No, no, no...its to let the stink out. Anyhoo...how, exactly, is DFW's D going to take IAH's business? BA runs - what? - ONE flight a day into DFW? *
38 Post contains images Mrniji : Cargo or pax?
39 Thomasphoto60 : Well it looks as if HAS and local officials are taking the DFW threat a little more seriously than I earlier thought. Let's hope that they keep up the
40 Drerx7 : I needed a laugh first thing this morning.
41 COSPN : CO will have 1 STOP SERVICE IN OCT..IAH-EWR-DEL ; DFW-EWR-DEL... Gotta Love CO now all can be happy
42 N77014 : Since when is going to India, even on a leisure fare, cheap?
43 COfaninBOS : Glad to hear that the HAS folks are starting to work with regards to Air India and Jet Airways. Besides having a slightly larger Indian population bas
44 Commavia : In my biased (DFW) opinion, I think DFW has a few things going for it. While I agree that, at first glance, this is IAH's flight to lose because IAH h
45 IAH777 : Both, for all I know. Whatever they can cram into the cargo hold on a T7. Regarding PK's IAH-MAN, did they finally get over that 5th freedom thingy?
46 Drerx7 : You weren't aware like so many others because PK's marketing for this service is NONEXISTENT. They act as if they don't want to carry passengers. Its
47 Post contains images Jr : Go Cowboys. I do like the texans though... Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the original texans were the AFL's Dallas Texans (now k
48 N757KW : KE operates both passenger flights and cargo flight out of DFW. PAX - 3 times a week with B777 Cargo - 7 times a week with B747F N757KW
49 Ssides : KE is operating its pax DFW-ICN flights with a 744 during the summer.
50 Post contains links Stirling : http://www.mla.org/census_map Great website to end the guessing game of "who" speaks "what" and "where". We're looking at the primary languages of the
51 Toxtethogrady : "Everyone knows that the hole in the roof of Texas Stadium is so that God can watch his favarite team!" Or piss on them. Must be why they want a new s
52 Post contains images FlyingTexan : To add ~ Houston has more foreign consulates save for NY and LA. and...
53 Toxtethogrady : That map's pretty cool. However, to make the numbers more complete, Fort Bend, Collin and Denton Counties must be included. I think Metro Houston is s
54 Jacobin777 : Pretty cool map..but I'm not sure how accurate it is.. I think it "under reports" some locations..for example..the Chicagoland area..
55 Post contains images Mrniji : - really? What does it mean? Thx for letting me know (though I used it synomymous with thing here ) Stirling, thanks for these interesting numbers! B
56 Stirling : Exactly. It's why I included ALL the major US Census recognized languages of the region since linguistic attributes do not necessarily follow the arb
57 COfaninBOS : What a great website. Thanks for the link! I was curious to see what the neighboring counties might to do the calculations since much of DFW's growth
58 Texdravid : If that is the case, then DFW is the winner hands down!! I would take Jet anyday over AI. I would love to see this intially for many reasons. AI coul
59 Drerx7 : While I am a Houstonian till the end--and don't care for Dallas too much--I would still like to see DFW get some exotic service. So good luck Dallas--
60 Post contains images JCS17 : Ughhh, if Houston isn't the hole of the world I don't know what is. Yeah, Houston is a great town if you love miles of traffic, pollution, 100% humid
61 Post contains images Drerx7 : Dallas sucks--how bout that JCS--mile after mile of ghetto--Oak Cliff anyone? Dallas is one of the most boring towns I've been to.
62 Bartond : WOW, I'm really surprised it took 60 replies to get down to the BS mudslinging between the two cities. FYI guys - NEITHER city is a real "fun" place t
63 Saigonhouston : Quoting JSC17: "square mile after square mile of ghetto." So, do you want to know what I think about Dallas? I would said square mile after square mil
64 B747-437B : The biggest disadvantage that DFW has going for it is AA's fortress hub. International carriers that rely on interline connectivity do not receive as
65 Texdravid : Disagree. The biggest problem is the smaller Indian community, not AA. AA will try to blow others out of the water on domestic flights, but not on th
66 Thomasphoto60 : I would strongly suggest that you get out more. Thomas
67 B747-437B : You don't understand the point I am trying to make. You cannot be succesful at DFW without interlining with AA. Interlining with AA is not a particul
68 Stirling : Sorry for being ignorant, but what is a SPA? Really? You must have had a lousy tour-guide. Dallas is a great place if you know where to go! Growing u
69 B747-437B : SPA = Special Prorate Agreement An SPA is an agreement between airlines that decides what proportion the revenue is split when an interline takes pla
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