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Joe Leonard Question  
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

This is going to sound a lot worse then I mean it to. Also, I did a search on this and didn't come up with anything.

On the train the other day while connecting in ATL I overheard a bunch of Air Tran employees joking about "Forklift Joe". I asked a friend who works for Air Tran as a pilot what the reference to "Forklift Joe" was all about, andhe told me it had something to do with a rumor that Joe Leonard was in charge of maintenance at AA and developed the engine change policy involving a forklift that led to the catastrophic engine failure on the AA191 crash. Anyone know how true this rumor is?

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

According to this, it was Bill Fey, but I don't know where either he or Mr. Leonard were in the chain back then. Perhaps there's a mention in the NTSB report...

http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/Joe_White

I went back and looked at the NTSB report, and didn't see his name specifically mentioned, nor was anyone else's except for the crew.

http://www.avsaf.org/reports/US/1979...ericanAirlines_DouglasDC-10-10.pdf

[Edited 2005-07-06 18:03:18]

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

I do know that a forklift was involved, but wether Joe was involved or not is an unknown to me. I would not think so since he was an ops guy at EA.


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User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2962 times:
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I think he worked at NW under Don Nyrop, as well.

Did he go from NW - EA - NW- FL?

edited to add question

[Edited 2005-07-06 18:08:32]


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User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
he was an ops guy at EA.

to be more specific, his title at EA: Chief Operations Officer

Eastern's union leader Charlie Bryan and Joe Leonard .... ugly story...


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

I know he was at AA for a time...may just be an ugly rumor. Thanks for the info.

User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2883 times:

Photo of AA #191 plane


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 camera  description: N110AA (cn 46510/22) Photo of the ill-fated DC-10 that crashed at TO from ORD, 5/79, when an engine separated from the wing.This caused a worldwide grounding of all DC-10s.

Quoting Positiverate (Thread starter):
led to the catastrophic engine failure on the AA191 crash

Is that why Joe Leonard left AA?


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2864 times:

From the rumor, yes, that's why he left. Don't know how to confirm it though.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2816 times:

LIES!!! ALL LIES!!!! JOE LEONARD NEVER WORKED FOR AA, HE WAS A UNION BUSTER AT EA ALL THE TIME, AND THEN MOVED TO ALLIED SIGNAL!!! HE NOW LIVES IN A CAVE IN ARIZONA.. HE DOES NOT RUN ANY AIRLINE


User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

First of all, I was never TOLD that Joe Leonard did work for AA -- until I read this thread.

Now my question is: did Joe Leonard work for ValuJet?


User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
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From the FL website:


Joe Leonard is chairman and chief executive officer of AirTran Holdings, Inc. and its subsidiary, AirTran Airways, Inc. He joined AirTran Airways in January 1999.

A 30-year veteran of the commercial air transport industry, Leonard most recently served as president and CEO of AlliedSignal, Inc.'s aerospace marketing, sales & service organization. Leonard joined AlliedSignal in September 1993 to head marketing, sales & service where he was credited with improving customer satisfaction for the aerospace unit and leading growth strategy for the company. He was also a senior vice president of AlliedSignal, Inc. and a member of the corporation's Executive Council.

Prior to joining AlliedSignal, Leonard held a wide range of executive positions. These included chief operating officer for Eastern Air Lines as well as a number of key management positions at American Airlines, Northwest Airlines and the Boeing Company.

Leonard is a native of Augusta, Ga., and received his bachelor's in aerospace engineering from Auburn University in Auburn, Ala. He serves on the Board of Directors of the Metro Atlanta Chamber of Commerce. Leonard lives in both Orlando, Fla., and Minneapolis, Minn., with his wife.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 9):
Now my question is: did Joe Leonard work for ValuJet?

Nope, he came onboard after the merger.


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