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Jet Airways & AI Negotiating Wet Lease Aggrement  
User currently offlineAirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Jet Airways has discovered a smart way to circumvent the existing ban on flying to the US—and it has Air-India to thank for it. Jet, currently barred from flying to America due to an ongoing investigation by the US aviation authorities, is negotiating a wet lease agreement with the national carrier that could see Air-India deploy Jet’s aircraft and crew on the London-New York sector.
This will be a win-win situation for both airlines. While Jet gets to fly around the ban and put to use the jumbos it had requisitioned in anticipation of the US permit, Air-India will be able to deploy additional planes on the busy route and rake in the revenue.
As things stand, Jet will continue to fly daily from Mumbai to London, using its three Boeing aircraft. On reaching London, the same aircraft will proceed to New York. Only this time, it will represent Air-India.
The prospect of a Jet Airways aircraft, complete with the airline logo and crew, landing in the US could create a piquant situation for the country’s aviation authorities, especially as Jet has been barred on security grounds after a Delaware-based company called Jet Airways Inc, which has no airline operation, complained that permission to Jet to fly to the US would endanger national security as the Indian carrier had links with Al Qaida—an allegation that Jet has denied and also challenged in a court in the US.
Jet had taken three long-haul aircraft on lease from South African Airways to service the Mumbai-London-US route.
Both Jet and A-I confirmed that negotiations were on for a temporary aircraft leasing agreement, but refused to give details. Jet executive director Saroj Datta told TOI, “The modalities of the aircraft leasing deal with A-I are currently being worked out.’’


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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

I don't think AI would downgrade their JFK-LON route to a A340. IF this would be an extra flight does Jet have enough slots for 3 flights LHR-India plus one to the USA?

User currently offlineVivek0072 From India, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Does this indiacate a future code sharing between AI and 9W ? Also will the US home land security approve this ?


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User currently offlineA340roy From Germany, joined May 2004, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Quoting AirIndiaOne (Thread starter):
As things stand, Jet will continue to fly daily from Mumbai to London, using its three Boeing aircraft. On reaching London, the same aircraft will proceed to New York. Only this time, it will represent Air-India.

I think you mean Jet will continue using its 3 AIRBUS aircraft.

Quoting AirIndiaOne (Thread starter):
The prospect of a Jet Airways aircraft, complete with the airline logo and crew, landing in the US could create a piquant situation for the country’s aviation authorities, especially as Jet has been barred on security grounds after a Delaware-based company called Jet Airways Inc, which has no airline operation, complained that permission to Jet to fly to the US would endanger national security as the Indian carrier had links with Al Qaida—an allegation that Jet has denied and also challenged in a court in the US.

Although the news is correct of AI wet-leasing the 340's from Jet, but AI will be leasing them only for a month, with an option to extend it to another month. Its ideal deployment would be on its BOM-DEL-LHR sectors. But in no way, would an Jet Airways aircraft be allowed to enter the US airspace, esp with its case lying in the US courts for a clearance, no matter wether Jet is carrying AI-revenue pax or whoever else's...it is a Jet Airways acft operating into the the US, which as of now is a BIG NO!!

the whole idea of wet-leasing from Jet is due the the upcoming VIP flts where AI have to let go its 2 Boeing 747-400's (one as a stand-by) which inturn disrupts its schedules. If they could use the Jet acfts on the BOM-LHR routes, atleast there would be lesser scheduling problems.

I also agree that its a win-win situation for both, and only such helpful acts between each other helps both Jet and AI gain good footings in the Indian Market and healthy competition.

cheerz!
Roy



AR-FRA
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

If it works it would be great.
The question is Will the Leased Aircraft with 9W liveryt be permitted into the US,considering the Situation even if its operating under AI call sign.

The 9W A340 lying unused at Mumbai is a sad case & Expensive one too.
The More the Birds Fly the Better.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Air India and Jet Airways have finalised an agreement on Thursday evening.

The A340-300 will operate

AI 131/130 on Mo/Tu/We/Th/Sa routing BOM-LHR-BOM

AI 121/120 on Fr/Su routing BOM-AMD-LHR-AMD-BOM

Expect a public announcement in the morning.

SR 103


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3220 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 5):
Air India and Jet Airways have finalised an agreement on Thursday evening.

Congratulations to both parties, and looking forward to seeing the press releases!



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User currently offlineKhushdesi From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

i assume that they would not bother to paint the plane in AI livery for one month?

User currently offlineAirish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

Here is the AI press release.

http://www.airindia.in/article.asp?articleid=115



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

 bigthumbsup 
A Start to maybe much needed cooperation between Govt owned & Private Airlines in Future.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

on top of it, the inflight catering is by AI. I'd say best of all worlds.
cheers!!
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Pay AI fly 9W should be their advertisement    

Anothe proof that competition is not always the way, but that cooperation can trigger off new energy!  

Good luck 9W and AI


Edit: Maybe they can lease the same frames for Haj 2006, if 9W does not have their permit yet? Big grin

http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tender/JC_DL_HAJ_5720.html

[Edited 2005-07-08 06:29:27]

User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
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Ahh those A340 lavs will never be the same again! Big grin

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 12):
Ahh those A340 lavs will never be the same again!

If AI gets the dissolvable toilet paper they short-listed on the wet-leased flights (or some water taps), they might be OKBig grin


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Does that mean that we can book a Jet Airways flight on the BOM-AMD sector,
How long is the lease??


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2637 times:

I wish AI could use Jet for BHX & YYZ for a change.
I don't think Jet will have any "problems" coming to YYZ.


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting A340roy (Reply 3):
cheerz!
Roy

For a moment I thought he was our Roy....... Wink


 Wink



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 16):
For a moment I thought he was our Roy

Yeah with a new name  Smile
"Our" Good ol Rustbucket roy is Driving around Ladhak now.

Today at International Both 9Ws A340s were Parked.In fact one had its Storage Covers Installed.

And VT-AIJ was undergoing a Special Insp.


regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

AI 131 tomorrow will be operated by A343 likely VT-JWA

User currently offlineAirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Today at International Both 9Ws A340s were Parked.In fact one had its Storage Covers Installed.

I have a pic of that: will be putting it up on MyAviation soon!



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