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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

A little while ago, I know AA operated SF3 service from LAX-PSP. I just looked up LAX-PSP flights on AA for December, and there was nothing found. What happend to this service? Did UA boot them out of this route using their EM2's?

-Jeff M

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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Serivce was discontinued with the April sked change. And it wasn't a seasonal change.


With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
User currently offlineOnedude From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

I found this out the hard way as well. Was scheduled for a trip in August. Now driving. My AA rep told me the service was dropped because it was too unprofitable, however I think from memory jet service to DFW has increased.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

It's probably unprofitable due to the jet service from DFW, since no one wants to fly on turboprops. The UA customers seem to like them, however.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Regional jets are simply not the answer for very short hops that require several flights per day to maintain connections. PSP-LAX is all about connections, its too short to have any signficant O&D traffic, and the route worked OK for years with 19 pax and 30 pax turboprops operating several flights per day allowing for easy connections at LAX. The regional jets are too big and too expensive for the +/- 100 mile segment and cutting frequency is not the answer.

Its a shame, routes like this are being cut as regionals move away from turboprops and standardize on regional jets, and the result is a loss of connection possibilities for travellers, less convenient schedules, and some cities are losing scheduled service altogether.


User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

That is really too bad. I see this aircraft type at PSP all the time. Now, no more - at this moment.


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User currently offlineJetter2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

AE used to run daily rides from DFW to ACT and TYR. I don't see how AE can replace the ACT route with anything other than a small turboprop. I used to make it a effort to fly down there, grab a burger and watch the 2x an hour S340 ride back and forth. I think that TYR can be serviced a little better by a RJ, but as far as ACT is concerned, I sure hope they dont chop the only gate they got left there!

User currently offlineAJRfromSYR From United States of America, joined May 2005, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Im under the impression that a ERJ135 and even a 145 is cheaper on fuel then a Saab340. Maybe this doesn't include taxi and on the ground cause I know jets don't idle as efficiently as a turbo prop but..... Can someone prove me wrong on this?


-AJR-
User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 5):
That is really too bad. I see this aircraft type at PSP all the time. Now, no more - at this moment.

Whatever dude, this is a way better looking airplane anyway. Big grin


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User currently offlineJetter2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

No way! That saab is way more sleek looking  Wink

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4471 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting AJRfromSYR (Reply 7):
Im under the impression that a ERJ135 and even a 145 is cheaper on fuel then a Saab340. Maybe this doesn't include taxi and on the ground cause I know jets don't idle as efficiently as a turbo prop but..... Can someone prove me wrong on this?

I remember someone posting here a while back that on a 100 mile trip, the ERJ/CRJ uses more fuel on taxi than the prop uses for the whole trip.

While that is probably an exaggeration, the turboprop will definately be more fuel efficient than the RJ.


User currently offlineAJRfromSYR From United States of America, joined May 2005, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2581 times:

I remember someone posting that also talking about the Indy crj's, and so I've been trying to do some research on it, I've seen where a S340 or a E120 would get .28-.30 g/m while the ERJ 135 gets .25 ish. The CRJ is what the other poster was talking about, 50 seat CRJ's are know for losing money but a ERJ 145 = .25 while a CRJ-100 is more like .35.

I think these number are just for level flight, would be nice if someone had facts to correct me.



-AJR-
User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2551 times:

Average burn for PSP-LAX is 600 lbs for a an EMB-120 cruising at 12,000.


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

I remember flying on AE from LAX-PSP on an ERD(ERJ-140) back in sept. of 03, connecting from a CO flight from CLE and the flight was full for the early afternoon flight. Wish I had been on an SF3 though. I like RJ's, but i've been on DH8's, and those props are awsome. I also want to fly on an EM2, heard those are nice.


-Jeff m


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

the prop is more efficient at the lower flight levels on the trips, where the jet doesn't get as high, burns more fuel for the lower altitude flight to PSP.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Flyboy80 (Reply 14):
the prop is more efficient at the lower flight levels on the trips, where the jet doesn't get as high, burns more fuel for the lower altitude flight to PSP.

A lower burn overall like a turboprop normally should, perhaps, but on this route, the turboprop isn't getting the maximum fuel economy either. If you put the turboprop up at FL250, you will see a large difference is burn as well.



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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

thanks goldenshield, I wish I liked to type that much! lol

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting AJRfromSYR (Reply 7):
Im under the impression that a ERJ135 and even a 145 is cheaper on fuel then a Saab340. Maybe this doesn't include taxi and on the ground cause I know jets don't idle as efficiently as a turbo prop but..... Can someone prove me wrong on this?

Trip times are the same - 47 Minutes - Flow Control:

SAAB Burn: 600pds/90 Gallons
Per Pax: About 18pds/3 Gallons

ERJ-135 Burn: 1850pds/274 Gallons
Per Pax: 50pds/7.5 Gallons

ERJ-140 Burn: 1880pds/280Gallons
Per Pax: 43 pds/6.4 Gallons

ERJ-145 Burn: 1950pds/291 Gallons
Per Pax: 39pds/5.8gal


User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

A long time ago (1985 perhaps) I flew an AA DC10 LAX - PSP. The flight originated in ORD. IIRC, the flight was about 33% full of Chicago area snowbirds heading to Palm Springs for the winter.

I was the only passenger boarding the flight in LAX. The stewardess asked me if I was familiar with the aircraft's emergency exits and oxygen systems. Since I said yes, they did not have to conduct the pre-flight safety brief.


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