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AA / Eagle New Routes, How They Doing?  
User currently offlineNoMoreRJs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

DFW - MLI appears to be a smash, but how are other new routes doing? ORD-PNS, ORD-JAX, ORD-NAS, DFW-all routes? Just curious.

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

All of DFW's routes are performing quite well. SAV and VPS are going out packed all the time, and LEX -- from both ORD and DFW -- is doing awesome. In addition, ORD's SAV and JAX flights are doing pretty well.

From what I've heard, all of Eagle's growth appears to have been warranted based on the loads these flights have been carrying. However, as always, loads don't always equal profits.


User currently offlineIflyI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Loads here in SAV are great for AE. The problem is cleaning the darn RON's! Jet Stream (The company contracted out to do the ground handeling) did not receve a contract to clean them. From what my friends are saying here, they go out as clean as the FA got it the night before! That does not seem to lower the loads though!

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Don't forget STL-VPS as well. Loads are half full, which seems promising for the first few days since the route opened July 1.

Alex



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User currently offlineNoMoreRjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

That's great! Hope to see some Mad Dogs on these routes in the future!

User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

I also wonder how JFK-YYZ is doing ... anyone know?

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting NoMoreRjs (Reply 4):
That's great! Hope to see some Mad Dogs on these routes in the future!

While it is still probably 1-2 years away, I definitely think that DFW-PNS could see an MD80 or two at some point in the future. AA has had immense success in PNS since it launched flights last year.

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 5):
I also wonder how JFK-YYZ is doing ... anyone know?

Both of Eagle's new JFK routes, YYZ and CLE, have performed quite well -- they are well timed to feed JFK's flights to BRU, CDG, FCO and LHR plus all the codeshares on BA, IB, LX, etc.


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

What about the AA CLT flights to LGA?

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 7):
What about the AA CLT flights to LGA?

I've heard that the CLT-LGA and LGA-CLT Eagle flights have been going out with about 70% loads on average. Not bad for a new route, especially considering the huge US presence at both ends of the route and the fact that Eagle's RJs are up against US 737s, A319s, A320s and 757s.


User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

If AE operates anything like UAX, then the planes are always full thanks to authorization levels of 30% over capacity. Thanks revenue management!

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

From what I heard....TOL-DFW in its first month was flying a bit over 70% full...ORD was doing over 80%. I'll see if I can get exact numbers. TOL Port was in Dallas a week or so ago lobbying for another flight or at least more capacity.


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Can anyone get loads for the SYR to DFW service that starts in August? ROC, too, if it isn't too much trouble. I'm interested to see the loads before the flight even starts. I can't wait for it; too bad the timings on the SYR flights suck ass... just hope that doesn't equate to it's eventual cut.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

The majority of the new routes are doing very well.

From O'Hare, Jacksonville has done the best. It is already getting a third daily.

In terms of loads, the new MIA routes are doing the best. All of them except Memphis average loads in the mid-90s! And Memphis' loads aren't bad, usually going out 85% full.



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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Does anyone know about LGA-ATL? There is also mainline flights on that route as well.

LUV4JFK
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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

How are the advance bookings for BOS-YHZ. Obviously, the flight is only a week old so it's too early too tell. Although the tourism links between Eastern Canada and New England are very strong in the Summer and the temporary loss of the Scotia Prince ferry service between Portland, ME and Yarmouth, NS (the service is to shortly begin from Boston once certain issues are finalized with the Coast Guard) I wonder if there's enough of a market for AC (QK), DL (OH), and AA (MQ).

LH423



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User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
Can anyone get loads for the SYR to DFW service that starts in August? ROC, too, if it isn't too much trouble.

Well, a very primitive way is to use AA's website. Just enter a flight as if you were going to book it, and then click on "seat map." When I checked a couple days ago, most SYR-DFW flights the first week were nearly full.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 14):
How are the advance bookings for BOS-YHZ.

I heard YHZ-JFK has been averaging in the 80-90% LF range.

[Edited 2005-07-08 19:12:32]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 14):
How are the advance bookings for BOS-YHZ. Obviously, the flight is only a week old so it's too early too tell.

BOS-YHZ is not operating this summer. They flew it last summer, did not do that well. I don't know why AA's website still lists it.



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User currently offlineFleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 13):
Does anyone know about LGA-ATL? There is also mainline flights on that route as well.

From my perspective below the wing, it's performing well.I have no idea about yields, but I can say it's averaging 80+ bags on the inbound segment and about the same on the outbound.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

I'm fairly certain they announced it a while back. I found it odd to offer seasonal service from July, when half the season is over.

Maybe they figured the same thing I mentioned. Too much capacity, especially when one considers the road and ferry links. Although, a lot of the YHZ traffic connects with European flights, since BOS is the closest international airport (other than ACs LHR flight via YYT). Maybe AA wanted to tap into that market with their European flights.

Oh well, maybe next year. In that case, how are the YUL flights doing? Less competition since DL left the route and just AC fly it.

LH423



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User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
I can't wait for it; too bad the timings on the SYR flights suck ass... just hope that doesn't equate to it's eventual cut.

Yeah, it's strange that they timed the ROC and SYR flights so differently. I think the flight will do fine though. If DL can fly 4 MD-80s (looks like one's going back to CR7 soon, so 3) to ATL a day, their largest hub, I would think AA could fly at least that flight to DFW, their largest hub, anytime of day.


User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Well as for the ROC SYR-DFW flights ROC on AUG 1st is booked to 54 out of 70 and SYR is booked to 51 out of 70. BUF is about the same for both of their fights for that day. Alot of people dont think so, but I think DFW is here to stay for all three of these cities. Also The 5PM departure for ROC was upgraded to A CR7 around AUG 23rd to ORD. I think that SYR got one too but I dont know which one. Soon to be Mad dogs???????

User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

I know its still premature, but any indication on how Eagle's GPT-DFW flts will be doing? Route launches 10/30/05.

BTW its intresting to see VPS pick up STL N/S. STL is not a very large AA hub, so what is the big taker for this flight happening?



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User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
bad the timings on the SYR flights suck ass

Come to think of it, thanks in part to time zone changes, the SYR flight isn't even that bad. Sure, it sucks for business travelers, but they'd rather take a flight with business class anyway. For lazy people like me, this flight is great. Even for the west coast, this flight doesn't take longer than using ORD to transfer. In fact, to LAX, only two options via Chicago are faster. One by two minutes, and one a bit more, but that has a tough 30 minute transfer time at ORD.

For example, from SYR-DFW-LAX
AA3864 -> AA1203
Depart 3:40, Arrive in LAX at 7:53 (7h 13m)

Although, I guess the real reason this flight was added was to open up Texas and it's 20-something airports served from DFW, and AA's Central and South America routes. The SYR flight is great for connecting to overnight flights to GRU, EZE, SCL. (All about 15-16 hours)

A lot of these cut a good two hours or more off the travel time, as the ORD connections require another connection in either DFW or Miami. Doesn't ORD have any AA flights to South America!?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3670 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
All of DFW's routes are performing quite well

Commavia/Mark,

Do you have information on how DFW-GRU is performing after the increase from 7 to 12 weekly flights ? On a previous thread all agree that the loads may be corrupted, but with all MIA-GRU/GIG almost fully during june/july, probably it get better loads.


Felipe



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25 LipeGIG : No. In fact all South American AA operations are from MIA, DFW and JFK. Felipe
26 AJRfromSYR : I fly to San Jose, Costa Rica a lot and use to fly AA SYR-ORD-MIA-SJO. USAirways started flights to SJO from CLT so now its a simple SYR-CLT-SJO. But
27 Fjnovak1 : IflyI, things seem to be bustling down in Savannah huh?? With NW/NW Airlink taking position at Gate 4 and AAEagle at Gate 7(I assume) and Delta gettin
28 Post contains images PanAm330 : Not till next year at least. Apparently AA has some sort of agreement with their FAs about not returning mainline to Upstate NY until 2006. It was me
29 Flyinryan99 : With the success of the MIA flights, is AA looking at increasing flights to existing cities now or are they still looking at adding a few more cities
30 MAH4546 : It is not doing that well profit-wise, loads aren't terrible, but, then again, flights to Brazil don't go out empty this time of year. It will be rep
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