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Valujet Crash Memorial Vandelized  
User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

http://www.local10.com/news/4693147/detail.html
The memorial of the Crash of Valujet 592 has been vandelized  Sad

I did not even know there was a memorial. Anyone know if its open to the public?

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7548 times:

My God, what is wrong with people? What they painted was bad enough, but where they did it was even worse. I hope they are caught, but I doubt they will. This type of stuff really makes me angry.  banghead 

Harry



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User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

I'm shocked. I never saw that picture (on the article in the link) of the memorial itself. Someone posted a list of Flight 592 passengers and crew members in the other thread.

I suspect that those vandals did not know that the Memorial site was dedicated to victims of ValuJet 592. I could be wrong. I am sure it took place overnight (dark outside).

photo of ValuJet 592 DC-9


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 camera  description: N904VJ (cn 47377/496) This aircraft, operating as flight 592 crashed into the Everglades on May 11, 1996.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Thread starter):
vandelized

The word is vandalized.....

Wayfarer, do you have to put your  twocents  with unrequested and or somewhat pointless info in your posts?


As for those who did this, how would they like it if somebody tagged the headstone of a loved one? Not everyone who lost a loved one in this crash had a body to bury, so this memorial is the headstone to that person's grave.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Thread starter):
Anyone know if its open to the public?

It's hard to explain... in the grand scheme of things it's VERY open to the public.. Go several miles out TMB trail and you'll see it on the right hand side across the canal. There is a passage over the canal that leads to the dirt road the memorial is 'on'. There are no 'real' parking spots, and a lot of the time it is buried in grass. It's a touch tricky, and definitely not tourist in a rental car friendly unless you like trashing rentals (not that you have to, but if your that kind of driver it wouldn't matter) but if you are paranoid about so much as a scratch on the rental, it's in a bad spot.

These pussies picked a great target; cement posts in 'the middle of nowhere' with no lights and no witnesses. I hope karma does a REALLY nasty job to these losers, they deserve a fate worse then the victims of 592.

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 2):
I suspect that those vandals did not know that the Memorial site was dedicated to victims of ValuJet 592. I could be wrong. I am sure it took place overnight (dark outside).

Why do you INSIST on speculating about things you have obviously NO CLUE about???? If you had been at the memorial I could understand your comments, but your remarks are as insulting as the idiots who perpetrated this heinous act.


User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

I saw this on the news yesterday but did not hear the whole story, sad thing is I read the other article about trash all over the memorial, also sidewalks are being grown over by weeds and how this memorial site has no real parking lot those issues should be addressed while removing the graffiti.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
Wayfarer, do you have to put your with unrequested and or somewhat pointless info in your posts?



Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 2):
I could be wrong. I am sure it took place overnight (dark outside).

As opposed to day time (bright outside)?  sarcastic 

Sad to say but I agree with Srbmod, kind of sounds like your talking down to the board when you have to explain how it gets dark at night.

Hawk44



Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Seems to be some young drunk/high yahoos who sadly have no values in their lives. I do hope they do something stupid some day and become a canidate for their own 'memorial' or maybe a nice long jail term with a very horny cellmate.

User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

It was probably the last concrete surface in MIA not yet tagged.


"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Just think of him like FOX News. They give you the perspective around or below the story...that other people wouldn't touch.

User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
Wayfarer, do you have to put your with unrequested and or somewhat pointless info in your posts?

I just want to say that maybe he is giving them the benefit of doubt. I live in south Florida and most "taggers" dont hit places that will incense the public. This is one of those places. I believe that they did not know what they were hitting. As much as they want attention, this is not the kind they want. So give Wayfarer a break. At least he is trying to see some good in his fellow man.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 9):
I just want to say that maybe he is giving them the benefit of doubt. I live in south Florida and most "taggers" dont hit places that will incense the public. This is one of those places. I believe that they did not know what they were hitting. As much as they want attention, this is not the kind they want. So give Wayfarer a break. At least he is trying to see some good in his fellow man.

I made my comment in regards to him posting info on and an A.net picture of the a/c in the VJ592 crash, nobody was asking about it at all, and he just had to post it out of the blue. He has done this for quite some time under this new name and his previous name, September11. Just run a search and you'll see what I'm talking about.

And for further reading:
http://www.airwhiners.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=711
http://www.airwhiners.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=653


User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 9):
just want to say that maybe he is giving them the benefit of doubt. I live in south Florida and most "taggers" dont hit places that will incense the public. This is one of those places. I believe that they did not know what they were hitting. As much as they want attention, this is not the kind they want.

Thanks for that information. I have been on the Everglades (by boat with friends) I like that area -- I was looking for the memorial around the Everglades and I did not see it.

[Edited 2005-07-09 05:37:05]

User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
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An acquaintance of mine has a gallery of shots from the memorial (pre-vandalism) at:

http://www.pbase.com/lautermilch/flight592



Photographing aircraft since the Earth was flat and on Airliners.net since #338
User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

It's South Florida. Nobody there has any respect for other people or property.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

What kind of a dirt bag would do something so low? And of all things to paint, they put a swastica. How disgusting.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineGib From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

Too bad a hungry & pissed off 6 ft. gator wasn't hanging out that night to greet these nad lickers...

DB777 .... Thanks much for the link!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Maybe there is a way to teach these Weirdos a Lesson.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

Quoting Wayfarer (Reply 2):
I am sure it took place overnight (dark outside).



Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 5):
As opposed to day time (bright outside)?

Just to point out, there are places where during summer it is light outside during the night as well. And if you go further north you can also get it dark for most of the day during winter...



CanadianNorth  yes 



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

I visited this memorial in 2003 and was shocked at all the weeds growing even back then, no maintanance at all!

BTW, www.flight592.com is a wonderful resource, complete with photos of most passengers.

God Bless and Rest Their Souls



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User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Well that is absolutely appalling! To think that someone would vandalize such a thing is unthinkable! This truly breaks my heart to see something like this happen.

-Tim  Sad


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6330 times:

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 18):

BTW, www.flight592.com is a wonderful resource, complete with photos of most passengers.

Well their forum is nothing more than a bash AirTran forum, but I do like how the place is getting spammed. Serves them right for trying to slander an airline that is lightyears away from Valujet. Some of these folks nearly 10 years later still want the airline shut down, like that's going to bring back the dead.


User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6206 times:

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 17):
Just to point out, there are places where during summer it is light outside during the night as well. And if you go further north you can also get it dark for most of the day during winter...

Not anywhere near this memorial  biggrin 

Hawk44



Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6127 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 20):
Well their forum is nothing more than a bash AirTran forum

I don't agree with you there. While there is some of that not everything there is. I do agree that AirTran is light years away from ValueJet. They fly new state of the art planes and are a lot more professional based on my experiences with them. I fly them with confidence.

But I've followed the investigation of Flt 592 and while I'm still convinced the oxygen generators are the cause, those who theorize that an electrical fire was the cause have raised some interesting points. I think they should be looked into. It won't bring the dead back, and I believe it will confirm the oxygen generators as the cause of the fire, but if there's a chance it was an electrical fire, then we're better off knowing the truth.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6050 times:

DB777 thanks, those are excellent pictures. That is a nice memorial.

I have no idea why some stupid ass feels the need to graffiti it. Whoever did it probably doesn't now what it is because he can't read. Highly unlikely to know what a swastika means or where it came from either. I have no sympathy for purveyors of graffiti. It isn't art, it's crap, and that goes for the idiot who did my garden wall a couple of weeks ago too. Come back and do some more when I'm home, and when I catch you I'll spray paint your face, then take you to the cops. 10 years ago you never saw it in Portugal, now it's everywhere. Pisses me right off.



Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 22):
It won't bring the dead back, and I believe it will confirm the oxygen generators as the cause of the fire, but if there's a chance it was an electrical fire, then we're better off knowing the truth.


What difference does it make? It's rather irrelevant at this point.



PHX based
25 MD80Nut : I don't know, wouldn't you think that knowing the truth about an accident which killed so many people is better? I believe it is. If an electrical fi
26 MIAMIx707 : I've always wondered WTF is wrong with Miami teens these days. I realize there isn't much for teens to do down there but c'mon now. By the way how fa
27 777STL : They generally don't reopen investigations after they've come to a decisive conclusion. And they're certainly not going to reopen it at the behest of
28 Post contains links Srbmod : You obviously didn't scroll too far down in their forums. The only site worse than this one in regards to AirTran bashing is I Travel, You Travel The
29 Post contains images Komododx : The memorial should've been put somewhere else. Tamiami and Krome? Not a nice place to be around, anyway. Stefano
30 TedTAce : Reason #1 that I moved from the shithole. Canadian, this place is so dark at night that even the stars don't bother to shine on clear nights...ok, I'
31 Douglas7Seas : I have had the "fun" of working with juveniles who engage in the kind of destruction visited on the Valuejet memorial. Typically, they are immature, p
32 Post contains images ERJ170 : Here's the image for those too lazy to open the link, much like I almost was..
33 Post contains links and images Fbgdavidson : " target=_blank>http://www.pbase.com/lautermilch/fli...ht592 Wow, some amazing photos on there!
34 VEEREF : Looks like some punks out on a bender. Don't think a swastika has anything to do with the accident. Just some unspoiled concrete for some bored teenag
35 Post contains links and images TedTAce : This shot: Is facing away from the crash site, but illustrates how the memorial 'faces' the site.. as you can see, no parking lot/spaces, the shot giv
36 Post contains images Wayfarer : very nice memorial ... thanks for the photos. I hope they will remove the spray-painted graffiti ASAP.
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