LXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
How is going US Air out of PHL on their flights to Europe? Are there new possible route for the summer '06? And any possibilities to see some US 757 to Europe like CO or AA do? Is now PHL the only one US Air's hub for flights to Europe?
Quoting LXsaab2000 (Thread starter): And any possibilities to see some US 757 to Europe like CO or AA do?
Anything is possible, but I think they would have to change the configuration back to the old one with more first class seats and a 757 might be FLL's only chance for a European route.
Quoting LXsaab2000 (Thread starter): Is now PHL the only one US Air's hub for flights to Europe?
No CLT has service to Europe with A330's and possibly 767's but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Usairways85 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2550 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
US can't fly any 752's over the atlantic because none are ETOPS certified and there are no plans to certify any. The combined US/HP fleet will have ETOPS 757's thanks to HP but they will be primarily used to Hawaii if not all of them.
From CLT US flies to LGW and FRA using the A333. Only PHL get's a SNN flt and it's only seasonal.
As for any potential new markets, US is really using it's widebody fleet at max. So i don't know what the possibility is until the 332's start to arive but if anything maybe any other Star hubs in Europe.
Richardnhsv From United States, joined Apr 2005, 470 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1737 times:
CLT has LGW and FRA using A333
PHL has LGW A333, FRA A333 and B767, MUC B767, DUB B767, SNN B767,
FCO A333, VCE B767, AMS B767, GLA B767, BCN B767, MAD A333 and MAN A333.
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I haven't heard anything about next year yet, but VIE and BHX were the two destinations that lost out this year to BCN and VCE, so they'd presumably be the front-runners.
The US widebody fleet is scheduled to the max, though, so any additional flights will need to be accompanied by a reduction of flights somewhere else. From what I understand, if something is indeed dropped, it will be Ireland.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
Usairways85 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 2550 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
If one of the Ireland cities is dropped does that mean both have to be dropped due to the agreement that you must serve SNN if you serve DUB. That is unless they fly PHL-DUB-SNN
*I may be a bit incorrect on the exact details of the agreement with Ireland
A330323X From United States, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12): If one of the Ireland cities is dropped does that mean both have to be dropped due to the agreement that you must serve SNN if you serve DUB. That is unless they fly PHL-DUB-SNN
Yes, that's correct, and I don't see them flying a triangle flight.
DUB does very well, but SNN is only so-so (performed better than expected its first year, sucked last year, and is doing alright this year). With such a small widebody fleet, there's a big opportunity cost to operating so-so flights. AMS I think performs comparably to SNN (a bit better during the summer, but really lousy in the winter), but they feel they need to have year-round AMS service to offer a more complete Europe route map.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
Viscount630 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1564 times:
Do they not go to MAN anymore?? I heard that was doing really well??
Viscount630 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Oooops - just noticed MAN A330 listed..... My bad!
Note to self - wait till fully awake before posting.........
PhoenixX2 From United States, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1476 times:
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 5): US can't fly any 752's over the atlantic because none are ETOPS certified and there are no plans to certify any. The combined US/HP fleet will have ETOPS 757's thanks to HP but they will be primarily used to Hawaii if not all of them.
HP currently is working to ETOPS 10 of their 13 752s. US has 31 752s, of which, I believe 21 are newer than HP's 752s. If Parker is ETOPSing these older 752s, believe you me, he will not stop there. By summer of 06 I am sure that there will be PHL service to somewhere, that requires 180 ETOPS service.
LXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
Thanks for the replies!
I'm curious to know which are the best performing routes on the Atlantic for US. I suppose firstly FRA (also for Alliance reasons) , LGW , CDG but maybe also FCO that seems to be a 333 year round service.
Very interesting also to see new flights from USA to beautiful & great cities like Barcelona and Venice , definitely good choices. Anyway I'm quite surprise to find 762 to MUC ; I think at least during the summer could support a 333 (could be a good idea to send the 333 to MUC instead of sending it to MAN?)
For summer '06 I suppose that giving up the direct to SNN (and so rerouting the DUB flight as PHL-SNN-DUB-PHL) and sending the 762 to ZRH (new Star Alliance hub) could be the right thing! UA already flies on IAD-ZRH in c/s with US.
ContinentalEWR From United States, joined May 2000, 3739 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
US Airways flies from Philadelphia to:
Frankfurt (Twice Daily, in Summer, as of 2005) - 762/A330
London/Gatwick A330
Rome A330
Madrid A330
Munich 762
Manchester A330
Glasgow 762
Dublin 762
Shannon 762
Barcelona 762
Venice 762
Amsterdam 762
From Charlotte US Airways flies to LGW and FRA, daily, with A330's.
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