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757 Over The Atlantic-- Who's Next?  
User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Both AA and CO are making money off their 757s plying trans-Atlantic routes, I was wonder if other majors are thinking of the same thing?

Does US have any plans to send some of their 757s overseas? Considering their current fleet of 767/330s are maxxed out and I don't see them ordering any new aircraft soon, even after their merger with HP?

And what about UA, NW and DL? All have sizable 757 fleets, but they are powered by PW2000s, unlike AA, CO and US?

Just wondering.


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
I don't see them ordering any new aircraft soon, even after their merger with HP?

US already has the A330-200 on order and the new US has ordered the A350, although both aircrafts won't be coming anytime soon. I think the A332 has been pushed back to 2010, but I am not sure though.

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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Cloud-it is quite doubtful that US Airways will be sending any 757's to Europe. I get the feeling that, post-merger, all 44 of the 757's will be used for flights from Phoenix and Las Vegas, as Doug Parker LOVES their hot and high performance.


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

USAirways 757's are older and not ETOPS certified. It would probably be cost prohibitive to certify them

User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

You forgot that Icelandair operates 757's over the Atlantic and has been for quite some time.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

1MillionFlyer-I didn't. I also didn't forget that Doug Parker LOVES the hot/high performance of the 757, and that in all likelyhood, those planes will be sent west, and to compensate, some of the Airbus fleet, or maybe all of the remaining 737 fleet (after the castoffs get parked) will be coming east.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
I don't see them ordering any new aircraft soon, even after their merger with HP

I don't see them ordering any additional widebodies either, seeing as how they've got 30 of them ordered as it is.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 3):
USAirways 757's are older and not ETOPS certified.

By older, I'll assume you mean mostly newer than the HP 757s that are now getting ETOPS certified.  Silly

That being said, I don't see US sending the 757s to Europe.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

If I can recall, doesn't BD also use a 757 to IAD??


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

why can't the PW powered birds fly across the pond?


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8800 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
And what about UA, NW and DL? All have sizable 757 fleets, but they are powered by PW2000s, unlike AA, CO and US?



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 8):
why can't the PW powered birds fly across the pond?

NW is flying the 757-300 to HNL, so there is no restriction on powerplant and ETOPS. Cloud4000, I think you are a little confused.


User currently offlineFlynboy747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

I wondered the same thing with DL. With recent expansion and success on European routes, I can really see them using some of their very large 757 fleet across the pond. Would this be possible??

User currently offlineDL763DFW From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Might be, but the problem is DL is sending a lot of our 757s to Song. However though, there are a few 757s out there in DL colors that have Business Elite seats in them. With this management, anything is possible.

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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8587 times:

Possibly NW i think.

GLA-BOS, or MAN-DTW would be a good start



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User currently offlineSam the Lab From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

There will be another new transatlantic 757 service later in the year from the end of October.

An Irish travel agency has been organising twice weekly charters from Cork, Ireland to New York JFK. The flights are due to be operated by Ryan International Boeing 757. The flights will be Cork's first transatlantic services and are planned as charters like the EI DUB MCO to get around the farce of the Shannon stopover.

Hopefully, this will go a way to breaking the stranglehold snn has had for decades on the starting of new transatlantic flights from the USA to Ireland.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8302 times:
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Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 11):
However though, there are a few 757s out there in DL colors that have Business Elite seats in them.

No 757s currently have BusinessElite seats; there are a few 757s out there acquired from ATA which have slightly modified premium cabin seats that are different from the regular domestic First seats. On those particular a/c, there are only 22 seats up front instead of 24; pitch is better (but nothing like the 60 inches for BusinessElite) and there is a small foot/legrest extension (again, nothing like the real B/E seats).


User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting Flynboy747 (Reply 10):
I wondered the same thing with DL. With recent expansion and success on European routes, I can really see them using some of their very large 757 fleet across the pond. Would this be possible??

I must agree.
Im quite surprised they currently dont have a 757 Atlantic route, but I can see them changing JFK-TXL 763er to a 757 in the next couple months.


User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
If I can recall, doesn't BD also use a 757 to IAD??

The BD 757 is leased from Icelandair.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8110 times:

If DL uses any of its 57s for transatlantic, I would say that it would be to downsize the CVG flights, like DL 36 and 37 to LGW, and move the 67s back to ATL. If they could, I am sure they would like to run the RJ from CVG transatlantic.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

It's ironic that Boeing shuts down production on the 757 just as the interest to extend the range for farther international routes begins to develop.

User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

Isn´t Thomas Cook (England?) using 757s for flights to Canada?

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

Dont forget that BA was one of the first carriers with transatlantic 757 service, the BA 757s flew from YYZ and BOS via JFK to BHX and GLA - the schedule varied a bit over the years. EL AL also flew a 757 on a EWR-STN-TLV run a couple times per week many years ago.

Maybe NW will join the 757 transatlantic club - if this 4000 nm range upgrade that AA is talking about does become available, NW could be able to offer some additional flights out of its Detroit hub. For years, there has been talk of a Detroit-MAN flight and possibily some other destinations would make sense and would be within reach.

What about UA - they have said that the answer is longhaul and international routes - the 757 could fly some routes to Europe out of IAD where larger aircraft does not make sense. UA has a lack of widebodies at the moment (several 744s, 777s and 763s have left the fleet).....could the enhanced 752 be the answer?

BMI is mentioned above, and it seems that the leased 757 is working out well on the MAN-IAD flight. Would BMI consider acquring a small 757 fleet to operate the MAN-IAD flight on its own and open up further routes from MAN to the each coast of the US? Just an idea - BMI must make some type of decision regarding that route.

I dont see any other European carriers going the 757 route.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 18):
It's ironic that Boeing shuts down production on the 757 just as the interest to extend the range for farther international routes begins to develop.

Well said - although most of the carriers that are considering the 757 for transatlantic expansion are not in the financial position to purchase new aircraft at the moment. These airlines are trying to find a way to use their existing assets more effectively.


User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

According to a couple of friends of mine working for DL out of Boston, there is a great chance that DL might fly SONG aircraft out of BOS as well as JFK to Europe. Just what I heard...

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User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6997 times:

Quoting Sam the Lab (Reply 13):
There will be another new transatlantic 757 service later in the year from the end of October.

An Irish travel agency has been organising twice weekly charters from Cork, Ireland to New York JFK. The flights are due to be operated by Ryan International Boeing 757. The flights will be Cork's first transatlantic services and are planned as charters like the EI DUB MCO to get around the farce of the Shannon stopover.

Hopefully, this will go a way to breaking the stranglehold snn has had for decades on the starting of new transatlantic flights from the USA to Ireland.

Nice to know that Cork can handle MTOW 757's. I did not realise the rwy. at Cork was suitable for that.

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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6910 times:

Isn´t Thomas Cook (England?) using 757s for flights to Canada?

TCX have 3 757's that are used on flights YYZ, YUL, YHZ, YOW, from LGW and MAN. The A330's operate the YVR flights.

The 757's are configured with 187 seats, these 3 are G-FCLH, G-FCLJ, FCLK


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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

According to a couple of friends of mine working for DL out of Boston, there is a great chance that DL might fly SONG aircraft out of BOS as well as JFK to Europe. Just what I heard...

Boeing727


If this were true they would have to be the ex-ATA 752's. These were originally ER models and would be the best suited airplanes for DL or SONG to use transatlantic. These aircraft are currently not kept up to ETOPS standards but could be if the planes were needed. I think you would see DL mainline transatlantic before you would see SONG though.



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25 Post contains links and images Gilesdavies : SkyServices C-GMYH trundles across the Atlantic most days during the Summer season between Toronto and Europe (MAN, LGW, DUB and ZAG). A very nice old
26 PPVRA : PU just began MVD-GIG-REC-TNF-MAD services with the 757. PPVRA
27 WhiteHatter : You mean the ex-SQ ones with the PW power?
28 Ph-tvh : Just heard a nice one: KL is planning a route across the atlantic with their 737-900 fleet. This will be in a verry high bussines standard configurati
29 HighFlyer9790 : If you are talking about international airlines, I could see a few europeans sending their 75s over the pond. im thinking maybe thomas cook, brittani
30 Newkai : It's interesting that the 757 is being used to open more and more non-stop destinations in the UK and Ireland from the US, but not the other way aroun
31 PHX Flyer : If United ever was to reinstate the daylight flight from JFK to LHR they would have the option of using a p.s. 757 for this service. I think that Unit
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