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SIA First A380 Revenue Flight To Be Sydney  
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8691 times:

straight from the boss himself tonight on local TV discussing Qantas and SQ merger rumours, anyway he is in Sydney and confirmed that 'the first A380 revenue flight will be Singapore-Sydney' just a matter now of what date!

[Edited 2005-07-09 13:20:48]


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Thread starter):
straight from the boss himself tonight on local TV discussing Qantas and SQ merger rumours, anyway he is in Sydney and confirmed that 'the first A380 revenue flight will be Singapore-Sydney' just a matter now of what date!

I thought it was to be to LHR?

I also thought that the first A380 flights were going to be on the Kangaroo route: LHR-SIN-SYD?

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8654 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
I thought it was to be to LHR?

absolutely not, the first flight will most definately operate to Sydney.



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User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

Its SYD, yippee. Anyway, on the kangaroo route it has to be either SYD or LHR, so why not SYD. Its closer and SQ may be using it to butter up on the SYD-LAX route. I will be there with camera in hand.

User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8604 times:

Here is my theory -

SIN-SYD-LAX-LHR-EWR-SIN-EWR-SIN-EWR

or

SIN-SYD-LAX-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Thread starter):
confirmed that 'the first A380 revenue flight will be Singapore-Sydney'

As Qantas will be the second Airline to introduce the A380, Singapore Airlines might just take some of that glamour away from Qantas by introducing it first, to its home turf.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
As Qantas will be the second Airline to introduce the A380, Singapore Airlines might just take some of that glamour away from Qantas by introducing it first, to its home turf.

I agree!

Will QF operate to LHR as their first flight, if so via BKK, HKG or SIN? Hopefully BKK Big grin

Do QF plan to use their 380's to LAX?

Rob!


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Qantas first flight will be Melbourne-Los Angeles, you won't see it for a while at London.

SQ will be Sin-Syd-Sin.



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User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4320 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8442 times:

Plus that at day 1 of operations, they might plan it around 1 aircraft in service (with the second A380 or a 747 as back up option) and SIN-SYD-SIN can be done within 24 hours with time to iron out small teething problems, while for a daily flight SIN-LHR-SIN you need at least 2 aircraft with a lot more mess up of your bookings if 1 goed technical. So I guess they switch or extend to LHR when they have at least 3 A380s available.


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User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
Will QF operate to LHR as their first flight, if so via BKK, HKG or SIN? Hopefully BKK

QF1 and QF2 both go via BKK, so seems logical.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4369 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 4):
SIN-SYD-LAX-LHR-EWR-SIN-EWR-SIN-EWR

or

SIN-SYD-LAX-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR

1. SQ lacks the authority to fly SYD-LAX, LAX-LHR, LHR-EWR, and SYD-EWR.

2. No pax A380s at EWR.

3. An A380 on LAX-SIN nonstop would likely prove to be an absolute yield killer, as well as a poor LF performer - believe it or not, the USA-SIN market is thin, and SQ's USA success primarily comes from its 5th freedom rights (e.g., SFO-ICN, LAX-NRT, JFK-FRA). SQ's current nonstop flights EWR/LAX-SIN, especially if upgauged to 772LRs, can accomodate virtually all of the nonstop SIN demand.



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8395 times:

Woohoo, if this is turns out to be true, what great news for us Sydneysiders.  Smile

Ah, I like how SQ management is going to rub it in QF's face!!!



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8357 times:

Makes sense from an operations point of view:SIN-SYD-SIN is one daily rotation whereas operating it into LHR would require 3 frames to serve one of the LHR flights daily with the 380.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

This makes sense - using the A380 first on the SIN-SYD-SIN turn will allow a one aircraft operation, as pointed out, will keep the aircraft closer to home (the SIN-SYD run is only about 8 hours), and will allow crew to build up experience on the type during the first couple of months. I image that the second aircraft will also do some regional type services at the outset and when the SQ A380 fleet builds to at least 4 of the type, it will then be assigned to the LHR-SIN route.

Lets be fair, there will be lots of issues to deal with when the A380 goes into service - it will be a brand new type, SQ will be one of the first operators, its first deliveries will be early build examples, and the A380 is a whole new size and category of aircraft that ground staff will have to deal with. It will take a (hopefully short) period of time until everything is in order with both the airplane and its operation. Keeping the first A380 based at SIN and using it on the SIN-SYD-SIN route will allow SQ to gain experience with its newest toy.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

Is QF going to bring the A380 into T4 or TBIT at LAX?


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User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

I just hope we get 1 A380 flight during the daytime at LAX.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

For the current SYD/MEL-LAX routing, you need to get there in the morning to see them land, and then most leave after dark.

But odds are good you'll get to see a parked A380!



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User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

On a busy morning I've just digested Chew's comments.

Clearly SQ is in favour of more cross border ownership of airline shares, equally clearly as he said, no one told SQ why merging with QF would be a good idea.

"I feel like I've learned from someone else that I am about to be married" was the gist of his comment on that.

Chew recognised the value of consolidation, but also the issues in the way.

I stand by my view of business in Asia, formulated over many decades, that consolidation in that part of the world means the winning team kills/screws/ guts the loosing team.

Co-operation is another matter of course.

The end result of this debate will be to give Qantas to access to the foreign equity (and much higher share price that it wants. They have the support of many in the financial community on that, including myself.

Chew pointed out that the first four A380s will be SQ's and that the delivery timetable was first march 06, then June 06, and now November 06.

I suspect that not only will Sydney be first as he stressed, but that daily London may be first, once the initial jets are in place, via Changi of course and its new terminal three.

On a side note, I'm in our Canberra office on this dismal Sunday morning and about to go back to the high plains where unfortunately a light aircraft with three people on board has been missing for over a day.

There is very heavy snow in the crash area, which is near the Mt Hotham airstrip, the highest in this country. The plane was heard 'labouring' about the time it was due on a private flight from Essendon in Melbourne. People are searching by horseback as well as skidoo today and yesterday. With over a metre of fresh snow on top of the base of around half a metre before this dump, this is a sad and difficult task.

Antares


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Is QF going to bring the A380 into T4 or TBIT at LAX?

Expect it at T4. The gates there were sized with the A380 in mind.

N


User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

It seems to me that SQ's flight from SYD to SIN actually continues with the same aircraft to LHR. so i definatley think they will send it on the cangaroo route, its just a matter of starting in one end.

Regards,
Leif


User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

SQ's continued flirtation with QANTAS is starting to get annoying.

The CEO of Singapore Air has already said that were it not for regulatory concerns he would try to consolidate his airline with QANTAS. We'll have to see what happens...

-WGW2707


User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

WGW2707,

Don't worry. SQ's idea of consolidation is eradication. Qantas knows that. It just wants to foreign ownership cap lifted (which isn't a bad idea.) After that is achieved there will still be a Qantas and a Singapore Airlines, but I wouldn't like to be a small vulnerable carrier.

There are a lot of false tracks being drawn across a totally unquestioning media by this. Pity we can't have an Airliners net aviation show where we get to ask the difficult questions.

Antares


User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4941 times:
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Guess that there will also be some crew familiarisation flights before the 1st "official flight". (BKK, HKG????)

I plan to be on that and also photographing it from Changi! Big grin

Andrew



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Andrew, keep me informed of it's familiarisation flights can you please?!?! i'll swing a lift up to Singapore and go for a ride too!


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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

SQ may be flying to Sydney first, in part, since they did not get access to the Australian-U.S. market. Reminding that they can pile on the seats to Oz if they want.

25 Antares : Jet-lagged, Not only that, they need the seats. SQ is very popular here. You often can't get any seats and QF and CX similarly have very hard days in
26 Jacobin777 : Antares, I thought VS loads weren't doing too well on this route, certainly there are empty seats to be filled on VS planes...
27 Antares : Jacobin777, VS has a different problem. It has tight loads between HKG and LHR that yield rather better than those seats they can sell on a through tr
28 Jacobin777 : Anteres...very interesting..that could possibly mean that a lack of planes is causing this problem for VS...as they get more of the A346's into their
29 Dutchjet : VS is in an odd situation - there is adequate demand for LHR-SYD and demand on the LHR-HKG route is already established, so there are not enough seats
30 HKGKaiTak : VS still heavily markets its MH code-shares via KUL here in Oz - they're not actually really selling SYD-HKG-LHR at all, just heavily heavily discoun
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