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User currently offlineHawker From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12206 times:

The local business show ran a story this morning on the potential for a Singapore Qantas merger.

http://businesssunday.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=54858

Sounds to me like Singapore would like the benefits of cost sharing but not to be tied down by a formal union. Bit like living together vs marriage!

However what was interesting in the visuals were the pictures of the Singapore girls being made up with blue eye shadow for that exotic oriental look. It was also mentioned they are only on 5 year contracts with no option for an extension.

This is in contrast to Australia with age discrimination legislation, where older ex Ansett cabin crew recently went to the Equal Opportunity Commission claiming age discrimination and demanding jobs with Virgin Blue. That story here. Always thought Ansett staff seemed to feel the world owed them a job.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1364245.htm

Anyway the purpose of this post is to ask a general question - where airlines have no legislative impediments, do they invariably go for young attractive cabin crew or does experience still count? Does it depend on the particular culture?

Presumably if cabin crew are there primarily for safety reasons, younger fit women would be better able to assist in any evacuation. My own experience has been that older cabin crew often seem to be more "burnt out". Which is not surprising in view of the thankless job they have.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12068 times:

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
Presumably if cabin crew are there primarily for safety reasons, younger fit women would be better able to assist in any evacuation. My own experience has been that older cabin crew often seem to be more "burnt out". Which is not surprising in view of the thankless job they have

All valid points, but unfortunately, the law clearly states that no matter how unfit, unhappy, unresponsive, and uncooperative you are, you can't be fired for being old. And the union makes you pay more for these workers to boot!



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11926 times:

Whilst I have no idea about labour laws of various countries I have noticed that the Asian carriers tend to have far younger and "sexier" F/As (and not just the women either). Makes me wonder what happens to these guys and gals after they turn 30 or 35.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
but unfortunately, the law clearly states that no matter how unfit, unhappy, unresponsive, and uncooperative you are, you can't be fired for being old. And the union makes you pay more for these workers to boot!

Well, this is why businesses put employees on contract, so they can just not renew it when it comes to the time.

Still, I would've thought F/As with more experience are probably better in an emergency than a young, inexperienced crew, no matter how well trained they may be.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 2):
Well, this is why businesses put employees on contract, so they can just not renew it when it comes to the time.

If a company in the US were to hire people on 5 year contracts and only hire those 18-25, and not resign anyone over 30 or hire anyone new under 30, despite the contracts "protecting" them, they would be sued and fined.

And the unions wouldn't allow it either.

I've always proposed that airlines not give anything but a cost of living raise to F/As after the first 3 years. If you want to stay beyond that, or seek a promotion, that's fine. It would be a simple way to keep a younger F/A base without discriminating in any way. But nobody can tell me that a 15 year F/A does a better job than a 3 year veteran, so why should they be paid more unless they take on more responsibility? Why should they be rewarded with the best routes only to treat their pax with tired disdain? Because they have decided to make a career out of a "see the world" job?



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Personally - barring a few exceptions, I much prefer the old battle-axes to the pretty young things. Maybe I feel closer to the "golden era" of travel, or maybe it just makes for better conversation - I don't know.

QFF


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
All valid points, but unfortunately, the law clearly states that no matter how unfit, unhappy, unresponsive, and uncooperative you are, you can't be fired for being old. And the union makes you pay more for these workers to boot!

True. It annoys me that why can't unions/lawyers/etc. understand that in some professions, age or looks DO matter. People DO enjoy having attractive f/a's, it's that simple. But alas, that frame of mind is not "enlightened."

This is a bit off topic, I apologize: but how has Hooters been able to legally maintain its, uh, discriminatory hiring practices. And believe me, in the case of Hooters, I'm all for discrimination!

Maybe the airlines could take advantage of whatever loophole Hooters uses.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10416 times:

Its simple...if anybody is worried it is simply that the old battleaxes will be shown up!

The singapore girls do an absolutely GREAT job, and if anybody suggest otherwise, I would question if they are perhaps, either really racist, or simply attempting to misuse government legislation to extort unreasonable conditions (aka..the old battleaxes get overpaid forever and unreasonable seniority regulations) out of their employers...in other words...line their own pockets.

Im sure QF management wouldn't mind having those SIA girls floating through their cabins in their uniform at their costs! Most of them are fluent in several languages, have a first class education from a very demanding first world system (in singapore) and do give very good service!

A few weeks back I shouted myself a little shopping trip to Singapore for my birthday SIA of course, and I must say...I was absolutely delighted that these young lasses thought to bring me some bubbly from F-class and wished me happy birthday!!!!! Now...how's that for service!!!


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10026 times:

the SQ girls are very stuck-up and rude to me especially when I non-rev

I was once not given a meal, since they ran out, but gladly the male steward noticed I had no meal, and he asked why, I said they ran out, he said that was not true, so he gave me 2 crew meals woohoo and a SQ girl whined about it and complained to him, and he brushed her off. I then turned my head away from them once I deplaned.

also MH girls, or Id say ladies glady exchange email addresses with me
woohoo. very open minded and accepting me for who I am.

About QF? oh yeah they were very nice and sure the Purser and a few
were middle age, but they were very acceptable, but I would have to say
that the Aussie staff was very sweet and kind compared to the Oriental F/A that they had on the flight also (Thai/HK/SIN?) not sure it was BKK-LHR.
So Id say QF is excellent as long as its a pure Aussie F/A.



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User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):

Presumably if cabin crew are there primarily for safety reasons, younger fit women would be better able to assist in any evacuation. My own experience has been that older cabin crew often seem to be more "burnt out". Which is not surprising in view of the thankless job they have.

Hawker, I flew with QF and DJ in June, 2005. I totally disagree. Seems as if the DJ "girls" and "boys" (=so named from the DJ purser) fear that their finger nails get damaged when they have to work in the galley. Also the announcements of the DJ crew is less professional as the announcements from competitor. When a purser short before landing says "Sorry, I dont know where we will fly too, it's still a little early for me" - that sounds very unprofessional. Isn't it take off and landing when F/A's have to be very concentrated?
QF staff isn't that pretty as the DJ's are, but when I want to see hot girls, I go to a beach or into a night club.

Why banning older staff? I feel much safer with professional people and my DJ experience tells me, that the youngsters don't even know what planes they are flying with.



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 7):
the SQ girls are very stuck-up and rude to me especially when I non-rev

I feel that every time in Y as a paying pax. In F I feel they aren't rude, but very formal and robotic.

Give me TG or CX any day over SQ crew.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 5):
This is a bit off topic, I apologize: but how has Hooters been able to legally maintain its, uh, discriminatory hiring practices. And believe me, in the case of Hooters, I'm all for discrimination!

Nope, they don't have younger F/As, other than being a charter airline with less pay.

The Hooters girls aren't F/As. They are extra crew and are taken directly from Hooters stores around the route structure. Since few 50 year old hags want to wear a tight outfit and serve wings to abusive men all day, you tend to get younger employees in that position.

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 8):
fear that their finger nails get damaged when they have to work in the galley.

No more unprofessional than ignoring pax and reading magazines while talking loudly in the jumpseats, or throwing snack baskets at you while holding a conversation with the other F/A while serving, or rudely "guilting" pax who are still boarding into sitting down, even though they aren't even at their seat, since "we can't close the door until you do." As if it is the pax fault the plane arrived late, is boarding late and behind schedule.

As long as you hire the right younger people, age 23-28 to start, with a positive attitude, you won't get the my nails hurt and catty attitude. And without a union, you can have a 1 year probation period where you can be more easily fired for bad/surly performance. Similar to how the rest of the world works.



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User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
And without a union, you can have a 1 year probation period where you can be more easily fired for bad/surly performance. Similar to how the rest of the world works.

Aaaah, ok, so the unions are guilty when flight attendents are bad. Very easy - but wrong.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17166 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 11):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
And without a union, you can have a 1 year probation period where you can be more easily fired for bad/surly performance. Similar to how the rest of the world works.

Aaaah, ok, so the unions are guilty when flight attendents are bad. Very easy - but wrong.

The union in itself is not wrong. But the result of overprotecting employees is often crappy work. If you can't fire an F/A for not performing (being unpleasant, lazy and rude) the F/As have little incentive to perform well.

At airlines where F/As are measured for customer service (BA, QF, SQ among others) attitude and service tend to be much better.

Don't get me wrong. Employees need to be protected from unfair termination. But if the employee is not upholding his/her end of the bargain by doing a good job, protecting that employee is simply a bad idea. In the end, the union does all it's members a disfavor and pax flee to other carriers.



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 5):
This is a bit off topic, I apologize: but how has Hooters been able to legally maintain its, uh, discriminatory hiring practices. And believe me, in the case of Hooters, I'm all for discrimination!

Nope, they don't have younger F/As, other than being a charter airline with less pay.

The Hooters girls aren't F/As. They are extra crew and are taken directly from Hooters stores around the route structure. Since few 50 year old hags want to wear a tight outfit and serve wings to abusive men all day, you tend to get younger employees in that position.

Dude, I was talking about Hooters the restaurant, not Hooters Air!

My question is what legal loophole does Hooters the restaurant use to get away with hiring only young, hot women? (obviously the job applicants are self-selecting....but the occasional hag must apply now and then)


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17166 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 13):

My question is what legal loophole does Hooters the restaurant use to get away with hiring only young, hot women? (obviously the job applicants are self-selecting....but the occasional hag must apply now and then)

They have had some problems with this. As in males applying. But I don't think anyone feels like challenging the status quo much.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 2):
Whilst I have no idea about labour laws of various countries I have noticed that the Asian carriers tend to have far younger and "sexier" F/As (and not just the women either). Makes me wonder what happens to these guys and gals after they turn 30 or 35.

I have met one ex-SQ FA. She is an Indian born in Malaysia, and after her stint for SQ, moved to CHI. She is now a nursing student. Not sure if that's typical—where the SQ term is considered a stepping stone to something more.

[Edited 2005-07-11 20:45:44]


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User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Good Morning,

Now before anyone goes off about "older" Flight attendants lets call them mature flight attendants, let me tell you something...


As a Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendant, I was the youngest flight attendant they have ever hired in the division.
We at Qantas must go thru Emergency procedures every 6 months, thus having an older flight attendant who has gone thru the process so many times is much more likely to know their stuff than "younger" more "prettier" flight attendants.

No disrespect to anyone, but studying the SQ crash in TPE is a perfect example of what "younger" flight attendants would be like in an emergency or the Garuda Indonesia crash. There is a perfect photo showing the crew standing away from the aircraft watching the pax evacuate the plane themselves.

Sure- their are some bad apples out their who are more mature, but let me tell you, their are also the young crew who think everyone owes them a thing or two.

I have only been flying a year and a bit, and am still constantly learning new things to do with service, and who by??? let me see.... The mature crew.

Qantas is a great airline, and we do offer a great service, if you want to put it this way, we are a very mature airline (which is changing), professional and very Australasian....
Sometimes that doesnt mix well with other people, but to the majority it does.

Most people seem to think that we as crew only report to our onboard service managers, but this is purely incorrect. The onbaord experience streams from managers who we, as crew report to.

I know ive gone abit of topic, but please before you judge the more mature crew, take a second look, talk to them, they most probably have the best personalities in the sky, and let me tell you, they have some of the best humour money cant buy and can get that cabin turned around in a matter of seconds.

Cheers
AirNewZealand


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):

They have had some problems with this. As in males applying. But I don't think anyone feels like challenging the status quo much.

"Ugly hags" wouldn't make many tips... and when your wage is $2.83 (I believe that's the min now for gratuity positions still??) + tips, and you're not making tips, you don't want the job. You'll go serve tables somewhere where you can dress a bit more conservative for your age. It's a bit crude, but a fact of life.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 8):
When a purser short before landing says "Sorry, I dont know where we will fly too, it's still a little early for me" - that sounds very unprofessional.

I've heard this many a times on Monday morning and Friday afternoon DJ flights - if you look at the F/A's this is usually said in good humour. If nothing else DJ does train its F/A's to lighten up and cracks some good jokes esp when most of the pax are still asleep on the 0630 departure on Monday or have had a stressful week at work for the 1730 departure on Friday.

Some of these jokes are a bit tired if you've flown them a couple of times though.

The best one I've heard is actually on a WS flight YHZ-YUL. The flight continued on to YVR and upon landing at Montreal, the F/A cheerfully announced that "any pax continuing onto Vancouver will enjoy lovely Quebec hospitality if they spend too long browsing the shops here and their luggage flown onto Vancouver, never to be seen again" - something to that description. Of course, it was said with a laugh . . . definitely cheered up all those still with a 4-hour night time flight still ahead of them!

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 8):
I feel much safer with professional people and my DJ experience tells me, that the youngsters don't even know what planes they are flying with.

Ah don't worry mate. I'm sure they know which plane they're flying with - it's always a 737!!!



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User currently offlineMeerkat From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Since few 50 year old hags want to wear a tight outfit and serve wings to abusive men all day, you tend to get younger employees in that position.

There are people that would pay extra for that privilege!  Wink


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17166 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

Quoting AirNewZealand (Reply 16):
know ive gone abit of topic, but please before you judge the more mature crew, take a second look, talk to them, they most probably have the best personalities in the sky, and let me tell you, they have some of the best humour money cant buy and can get that cabin turned around in a matter of seconds.

Honestly I don't care how old the F/As are, as long as they provide good service. But I wonder how very overweight F/As (of all ages) would cope in an emergency. Age limits are silly, but (moderate) fitness requirements are not IMHO.



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User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

And let me tell you they are all very fit... Our Emergency Procedures ensure that...

Some people are just big boned. Its not beauty Mate, were not their for people to perve at, and if you seriously need to have a god looking flight attendant you have some serious issues, are you guys that desperate!!!!????


Cheers
AirNewZealand


User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

remember the tragic SQ-Taipei crash? The same "young inexperienced pretty" crew were still cutting pax out of the firery wreckage even after the fire-crew arrived. 3 of them had to be relieved physically by fire-crew.

Forget "looks" which is "marketing"... IF thats in combination with the thorough extensive training (SQ crew get), why not? But I agree if its "looks only" thats not good for the passenger at the expense of safety.


User currently offlineJeffrySkY From Singapore, joined Feb 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting AirNewZealand (Reply 16):
No disrespect to anyone, but studying the SQ crash in TPE is a perfect example of what "younger" flight attendants would be like in an emergency or the Garuda Indonesia crash. There is a perfect photo showing the crew standing away from the aircraft watching the pax evacuate the plane themselves.

Prove this point , in black and white. Your airline policy of cabin recruitment is obviously different from that of SQ's but I do not appreciate your attempt to justify the "superiority" of your airline's policy by making wild insinuations. Mind you that a good number of SQ FAs died in that crash , and the chief stewardess who originally managed to survive the impact , died when she went back into the wreckage to save her pax and crew. I do not think it's sensitive at all to state such controversial issues as if there are hard facts , in light of this disaster.

Likewise, are you able to prove to me that mature cabin crew are able to assist you better in a disaster ? What's with this cardboad flimsy assumption that assumes a matronly , "mature" FA , who treats me as I am invisible during flight , would treat me any better during a disaster ?

Putting that phrase "No disrespect to anyone" in front of your post does not grant you some unannounced freedom to make irresponsible statements like that.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17166 posts, RR: 66
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 21):
And let me tell you they are all very fit... Our Emergency Procedures ensure that...

Some people are just big boned. Its not beauty Mate, were not their for people to perve at, and if you seriously need to have a god looking flight attendant you have some serious issues, are you guys that desperate!!!!????

The "big boned" argument has always been pure baloney IMHO. Some people are just fat (not the same as "large"). Now, I didn't say I cared if they were fat, I said I cared if they were fit. I don't care if they weigh 400 lbas long as they don't bump the seats on their way past and, more importantly, can perform all their duties in an emergency. As for the latter, I seriously doubt some F/As I have seen would manage.

As I said, I'm not calling for superathletes. Just reasonably fit people. Otherwise the whole "primarily here for your safety" thing becomes so much BS.


AirNewZealand, pretty girls are always nice to look at. But that's not a good enough reason for an airline to insist on flight attendants being pretty. So of course some of us enjoy it when the F/As are all pretty (duh...) but it should not be a prerequisite for the job. In the end, I care much more if the F/A is service minded and pleasant than if she is a knockout.



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25 EK773 : Sorry AirNewZealand but i think you will find that you are wrong with this point. For starters the SQ crash happened late at night in a rain storm so
26 Lufthansa : Well said JeffrySKY What is the real issue here? Could it be that QF flight attendents are threatened by the fact that SQ girls can do a really good j
27 Lufthansa : Also comparing SIA to Garuada is like comparing BA to the former Nigeria Airways, or worse yet. Be careful guys... to suggest the SIA girls aren't cap
28 Singaporegirl : airnz, i agree that some of the younger crew are lacking knowledge and not as experienced compared to the older crew. look at your own reply on this t
29 Orlando666 : dear sq-girl, my regards to you all and sincerest respect and admiration for the taipei disaster crew. unfortunately todays world means "looks" for ma
30 Tbear815 : If people, regardless of age, wish to become F/A's, more power to them. With regard to more "mature" F/A's, they should set a good example for the "ne
31 Qantasclub : I really don't think this is an issue about age-SQ girls tend to be younger because the airline (officially) has a policy regarding the physical attra
32 Airnewzealand : ok, ok, I apologise for what i have said, and i didnot mean ANY disrespect to any of the crew facing that situation!!! God forbid anyone having to go
33 JeffrySkY : Don't you think that it is too presumptious of you to pass a judgement of SIA's safety records just because of some impression you had , that most of
34 VHXLR8 : With all due respect, that statement alone highlights the shortfalls in what happened that night. Firstly, a flight attendant does not leave an aircr
35 VHXLR8 : And proven to me that there are still many people who cannot contribute to a particular debate, nor form an argument without hiding behind "sensitivi
36 ClassicLover : Amen to all your posts in this thread, VHXLR8! Trent.
37 JeffrySkY : Another QF FA to the defense ? Spare me the fluff. I believe that you have missed the whole point of the ENTIRE thread. No one is trying to glorify t
38 Jaysit : Gimme a break. The aircraft broke into 3 large separate flaming chunks. This FA was in the forward section in which the upper cabin collapsed onto th
39 Lufthansa : VHXLR8, All you did is just prove the point so many here were trying to make. That is, SQ girls do a very good job, and are very proficient, and do so
40 Jaysit : They do. But the ones who also look pretty, serve drinks and treat passengers like guests rather than cattle get my business.
41 DAYflyer : As an HR professional, I can tell you that studies and statistics tell us that the average company sees maximum benefit from an employee with 7 years
42 Lufthansa : Dayflyer I don't think SIA miss your point. What they usually do is offer 5 years to start with, and, the staff that they deem as good, get offered an
43 Aa757first : Quite a few hags and men apply. And they don't use a loophole. Hooter's was sued for discrimination. The judge ruled in favor of Hooter's, because it
44 C680 : I could not agree with you more. Unfortunately; I think that the folks who work aft of cockpit door for USA carriers have taken on a new attitude. Th
45 Aa757first : I agree for you except for this part. Should a flight attendants hair be neatly groomed, nails manicured, shoes polished, make-up applied, uniform pr
46 SQuared : True. But no other airline on this planet relies so much on the imagery of its flight attendants. Arguably, SQ's greatest intanigible asset is the im
47 GoAllegheny : Three points. First, it is against the law to discriminate on the basis of age in the United States. As much as I might like to have an entire flight
48 Mandala499 : And let me tell you they are all very fit... Our Emergency Procedures ensure that... And SQ's don't? SQ gals are pretty, arrogant, rude (hell they eve
49 VHXLR8 : Well all you did was to change the original intent of your earlier posts and try and be credible whilst on the back foot. And no, SQ is not a threat
50 Lufthansa : VHXLR8, Newsflash.... on this planet, people are paid for "what they do" as opposed to "what they know". If you have 2 degrees...and now want more...t
51 Post contains links Huawey : The Bangkok runway overrun accident has suggested otherwise about Qantas's safety record (or rather perceived 'safety'). It was pointed out by our ATS
52 Post contains images Starlionblue : Hear hear. Hear hear again. As has been pointed out, at five years SQ gets to keep the good ones and ditch the bad ones. Seems like a good plan to me
53 Singaporegirl : i was promoted to be a leading stewardess only after 3 years of service. and this is a very common occurrence btw. the a/c crashed on the runway duri
54 Post contains images SQuared : Exactly. F/As just like everyone else on this planet can make mistakes, especially in a disaster. No matter how much anyone trains for anything, the
55 Singaporegirl : thank you squared. you're far too kind! i really believe that the singapore girl image is both a blessing and a curse for singapore airlines. she was
56 Trolley Dolley : I've been flying SQ since it was MSA and QF for just as long. Both are top quality airlines with justified reputations for service. however I am worri
57 VHXLR8 : Dude, I like my job, and I do not want anything more for doing it. I only mentioned that after you made the implication that F/As were uneducated. An
58 DAYflyer : Why wait five years to ditch the bad ones? I can the bad ones I get as soon as possible.
59 Trolley Dolley : The criticism was in the official accident report by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau. There was extreme risk in the situation as the aircraft h
60 SQ_EK_freak : I see that VHXLR8 and AirNewZealand have dodged the very good points singaporegirl and jaysit have brought up, specially with the point of the circums
61 VHXLR8 : What revelation??? I've already commented on my thoughts regarding that terrible night. Things went wrong. Funny how things go wrong on SQ, yet it's
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