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Air Transat And Their (overweight) Airbus.  
User currently offlineAircanada333 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 471 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Air Transat has an only airbus fleet, as everyone knows. I've been wondering these couple of days....how can they t/o overweight (pasenger wise)? I'll explain, TS's A330-300 has 362 passengers compared to Air Canada who only has 274!!!!Thats a difference of more than 100 passengers. And its the same thing the other aircraft they posses. Can someone explain?


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9768 times:
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Same with MyTravel Airways, their A333 take off with 410 pax and make it to the Canary Islands 4,100 kms away. Amazing aircraft...


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User currently offlineAircanada333 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

Ya thats cheap for the passengers. Their knees are literally in their face!


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User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9755 times:

IMO, you pay that kind of price to go somewhere, you surrender your right to complain!  Wink

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

I flew to Cayo Coco, Cuba (MUCC) from YYZ on C-GPTS an A332. It was a full house (363 pax) and we carried fuel for both legs and the aircraft didn't seem overweight at all to me. We lifted off of rwy 24R right after rwy 33R and cruised at 910km @FL410. I was suprised to at the crammed A332 too, I've known friends that have flown on the same plane, full house to FCO. Air Transat must put heavy cargo weight restrictions on those flights. Its the cargo and fuel that add the most weight to any aircraft.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

So then how is their Airbus overweight?

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 4):
Air Transat must put heavy cargo weight restrictions on those flights.

well Air Transat is selling the cargo space from europe to canada rock-bottom.... half price than ac for example offers....and they have always freight on the flight....so they could not have such a big restriction on the flights



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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9728 times:

I think header lines (subjects) like this should be deleted
it is implying the airline is operating an overweight a/c when in fact they are just
packing in passengers instead of cargo
and people like KrisYYZ - "and we carried fuel for both legs and the aircraft didn't seem overweight at all to me. "
How on earth does he know if its overweight or not sitting down the back with the rest of the passengers ??


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 5):
So then how is their Airbus overweight?

Good question.

My limited knowledge of aviation leads me to believe that an "overweight" aircraft would simply not be allowed to take off and/or land as such.

And a responsible airline like TS would simply NOT fill an aircraft beyond its capacity.

Now if you mean "over-crowded" in the comfort-related sense of the term, I definitely agree. I have flown on TS's L1011 and A310 (the latter in 3-3-3 configuration, if I recall, perhaps 3-4-3, but I doubt it) and yes, my knees were in my chin. And I wish we had chopsticks for the meal, since I could barely move my elbows without smashing my neighbour's cheekbones.

 Smile

Cheers.


User currently offlineAircanada333 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9697 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 8):
Now if you mean "over-crowded

Ya thats what I meant SORRY!!! Big grin



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 7):
KrisYYZ - "and we carried fuel for both legs and the aircraft didn't seem overweight at all to me. "
How on earth does he know if its overweight or not sitting down the back with the rest of the passengers ??

I never said the plane was overweight, I wouldn't think for a second that any airline would operate an overweight aircraft.
The only reason I knew that we carried fuel for both legs is because the Captain told us; due to the fact that we had to circle Cayo Coco for 90 min.
The fact that we climbed straight to FL410 after departure would indicate to me that the plane was not at MTOW.

After all this is an discussion forum!!

Air Transat operates thier A310 in 3x3x3, A332 3x3x3 and A333 2x4x2.

Krisyyz

[Edited 2005-07-10 03:39:53]

User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9612 times:

Is it the only company that sacraficies cargo for more passengers? (exept for MyTravel Airways)

User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9578 times:

Considering that the A330 is certified to carry as many as 440 pax, TS' 330s are not even close to be "overcrowded" (legally speaking).

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 11):
Is it the only company that sacrifices cargo for more passengers?

Most charters do that. Their core business is simply not cargo-related. They concentrate their efforts on selling seats rather than cargo space.



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 12):
Most charters do that. Their core business is simply not cargo-related. They concentrate their efforts on selling seats rather than cargo space.

Thanx for the info.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 12):
Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 11):
Is it the only company that sacrifices cargo for more passengers?

Most charters do that. Their core business is simply not cargo-related. They concentrate their efforts on selling seats rather than cargo space.

i would say, all airlines prefers first passengers than cargo, cargo has always second priority...



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9556 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
i would say, all airlines prefers first passengers than cargo, cargo has always second priority...

What about UPS and FEDEX. I don't think they take too many passengers. LOL
 Wink


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 15):
What about UPS and FEDEX. I don't think they take too many passengers. LOL

what? check the check-in hall at your homeairport, the fedex and ups check-in lanes are so loooooooooonnnnng  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9537 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 16):
what? check the check-in hall at your homeairport, the fedex and ups check-in lanes are so loooooooooonnnnng

Dude theres no UPS or FEDEX at Montreal YUL!!!!!  hissyfit 


User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

You can try YYZ it has some of those.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 17):
Dude theres no UPS or FEDEX at Montreal YUL!!!!!

go to mirabel....or?



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
go to mirabel....or?

Na too far!  Embarrassment


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
i would say, all airlines prefers first passengers than cargo, cargo has always second priority...

Sure, but plenty of routes are not viable without decent cargo loads, especially when demand for premium seats is weak.

For instance, LX cargo loads are astronomical year-round on the YUL-ZRH flight. The A332 might be more profitable elsewhere for LX during wintertime without these cargo loads.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
go to mirabel....or?

Yep.



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

But anyways...coming back to the subject, I think what TS is doing isn't really smart.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9455 times:

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 21):
Sure, but plenty of routes are not viable without decent cargo loads, especially when demand for premium seats is weak.

For instance, LX cargo loads are astronomical year-round on the YUL-ZRH flight. The A332 might be more profitable elsewhere for LX during wintertime without these cargo loads.

cargo rates are these day not really high, so it makes often more money to sell 4 premium seats more on the flights than carring 10 to 15 tons cargo.

for example fares from central euorope to yul are wide under 1 euro + fuel and securtiy surcharges per kg and from northamerica to europe the rates are normally the half or less one.



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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9449 times:

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 22):
I think what TS is doing isn't really smart

Why?

They are extremely successful at what they're doing. In fact, TS was rated the number one airline (tied with Ryanair) in the medium-size category by the AW&ST last month.



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25 YUL332LX : Selling several more premium seat is easier said than done, sadly, especially out of YUL. Concentrating on cargo is a wise thing to do and it is some
26 Avianca : absolut correct, and airlines will coload the freight if they can no question, but they prefer the passengers. we will see what the future will bring
27 STARalliance24 : I'm talking passenger wise, they don't think about their passenger's comfort too much. They might be a good airline but I wouldn't take it.
28 Captaingomes : But anyways...coming back to the subject, I think what TS is doing isn't really smart. Considering that Transat is very profitable and is sitting on a
29 Post contains images TheSonntag : Maybe Air Transat is just flying without Fuel
30 YUL332LX : I agree, but YGWYPF!
31 FlyingZacko : I don't wanna burst your bubble here, but 362-274 is only 88 and not more than 100 passengers, but I still get your point. Cheers, Sebastian
32 Captaingomes : You also have to take into consideration that Air Transat has a small Club Class at the front with only 3 rows, and Air Canada has a large J Class sec
33 CanadianNorth : Not trying to be mean or anything just pointing out that Air Transat is a airline responsible enough to... a) dump the lavs all over the ramp here at
34 Ciaomc2002 : 362 - 274 = 88, not more than 100 passengers!
35 Captaingomes : CanadianNorth, respectfully you can pick any airline and come up with a list of items to "prove" it is irresponsible. Air Transat has had its issues,
36 Post contains images CanadianNorth : I know, I was just having some fun. But although almost all airlines have a major problem every now and then, in the last few years Air Transat seems
37 Post contains images YULQC : I worked as an F/A for TS for 4 years and I would not hesitate to fly them one second. As for the seating, it is tight but no worse than most of the c
38 JpetekYXMD80 : What they and other charter airlines do is 'smart' any way you look at it. They don't care what you think, there are more than enough people out ther
39 STARalliance24 : Ok ok I can agree with you on that. But I'd rather travel with Air Canada. It might be more expenive but when you're doing something like YVR to FRA
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