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GPU Accident At MAN  
User currently offlineThegregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Last week there was a incident at MAN where a Ramp agent took a GPU from a Aircraft (B734) while it was still connected, this caused over half a million pounds worth of damage to the plane and put it out of service for two days

The agent received a final warning for the incident which will stay on his record for 18 months, Bearing in mind he had no previous warnings or incidents on his record does everyone think this was a fair outcome.

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User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Thegregster (Thread starter):
Bearing in mind he had no previous warnings or incidents on his record does everyone think this was a fair outcome.

Depends on whether or not he had received adequate training. If he had, then the punishment seems reasonable.

By the way, whose 737 was it?

[Edited 2005-07-10 11:14:29]

User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

YES!!!

Ofcourse it is fair, he should have been sacked. Causing so much damage to a single aircraft.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Ofcourse it is fair, he should have been sacked. Causing so much damage to a single aircraft.

Why should he have been sacked? Using your logic please tell us how much damage someone is allowed to make before they get sacked.


User currently offlineTheGregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

It was a Jet 2 (TF - ELZ)

He had adequate training although it was the last day of doing 6 10hour shifts
which would have meant he was approaching 60 hours for a Weeks work, surly accidents are going to happen


User currently offlineTIMC From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Mistakes happen in everything... you have to accept that. This just happened to be a more costly one.

I'm sure this person has probably saved hundreds of pounds worth of the airlines company working his arse off in the first place to get the planes out on time in the past...

One mistake doesn't make someone stupid or a bad worker.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 3):
Why should he have been sacked? Using your logic please tell us how much damage someone is allowed to make before they get sacked.

If you own the airline, and an employee causes such damage, It is not only the money to repair the aircraft but it is also the loss of profit for the 2 days the a/c was out of service.

This guy could easily do it again and why should they give him the chance to do it again?

Mike

EDIT: It is especially worse for this to happen to such a small airline.

[Edited 2005-07-10 13:56:56]

User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2864 times:

Just think, at least its unlikely that he will ever do it again!


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User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1059 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

dogfighter2111, when you get older and are able to get a ramp job, you'll see how easily these things can happen. Not that they "should" happen, but they do.

Sounds like a lot of damage for not unplugging a GPU, usually it just damages the plug receptacle and door.


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2703 times:
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Quoting Catatonic (Reply 7):
Just think, at least its unlikely that he will ever do it again!

Exactly, he will learn from his mistake, and so will others.  Smile

-Gofly



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Dogfighter,

Just think about how much money the airline will save by keeping him. It costs a heckuva lot of money to train new people. Sure he made a mistake, but I will all most guarantee he'll never do it again. Odds are this guy punished himself far more then the airline ever could.

fluffy


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

I understand what your saying, but it's not tha airline that has employed him.

Jet 2 don't have their own ground crew and they use the staff at the airport. I'm not sure what the company is called @ MAN but here in EDI, Globespan use REED Aviation.

+ I don't see why people are attacking me, i'm not saying you are GQ but i am entitled to my opinion as that is what was asked in the topic.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Its Menzies who do Jet2 at MAN, and they need to be hiring rather than sacking people at the moment!


Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
This guy could easily do it again and why should they give him the chance to do it again?

So, what you're saying is the next time you make a mistake at work you should be sacked to ensure you don't do it again. What stupid logic you have.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Well, first of all i don't work.

Second, if i did work do you honestly think i would cause half a million £ in damages?

And before you say i could if i had a job like his but i don't want to get a ramp Job and wouldn't take it even if it was the only thing going. (Not that it's a bad job)

Mike


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

DogFighter,

Do you actually think this guy went out to deliberately cause damage?!!! When you get in the real world of work you will realise that no one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them and not to just point the finger of blame at the individual. You never know, you might end up in a similar circumstance in you're life, and going around with an attitude like yours will do you no favours in life.

Mark

[Edited 2005-07-11 20:13:27]


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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Demoose, to be honest i would just accept it.

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 8):
Sounds like a lot of damage for not unplugging a GPU, usually it just damages the plug receptacle and door.



Quoting Thegregster (Thread starter):
half a million pounds worth of damage to the plane

Copter...I agree that the half mill estimate is too high....especially if the aircraft is oos for only 48 hrs.

Quoting TheGregster (Reply 4):
it was the last day of doing 6 10hour shifts

Now there looks to be the culprit...


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

You'd accept losing you're job because of one mistake which could have been due to your employer either providing inadequate training or being overworked. Well more fool you.


Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

i'd get another job. Not a big deal. There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Ofcourse it is fair, he should have been sacked.

Bollocks. Accidents happen. You cannot sack someone because of a single mistake!

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
If you own the airline, and an employee causes such damage, It is not only the money to repair the aircraft but it is also the loss of profit for the 2 days the a/c was out of service.

This guy could easily do it again and why should they give him the chance to do it again?

YOu have to look into why the accident occurred. If it was stupidity and a first offence, then the warning is fair. Had there been other 'incidents' then dismissal would likely have happened.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 14):
Well, first of all i don't work.

Second, if i did work do you honestly think i would cause half a million £ in damages?

And before you say i could if i had a job like his but i don't want to get a ramp Job and wouldn't take it even if it was the only thing going. (Not that it's a bad job)

You arrogant little sh*t.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
i'd get another job. Not a big deal. There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

People with all the exams in the world struggle to get jobs. It takes more than qualifications, it takes life experience, and above anything else, the right attitude. And you, you stupid little boy, will do well to remember that.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Guys, guys, guys....

You're biting... take no notice, Dogfighter2111, knows no better.. he's only a child.

Move on, forget about him....

He'll learn, he'll find out.



I don't like signatures...
User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 19):
There are tonnes of jobs going for people with the sort of exams i have got.

Mmmm - degree in modesty perhaps ?
Or perhaps some qualification in diplomacy ?
Just a hunch  Smile



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User currently offlineTheGregster From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Just thought you might like to know the planes back in full service for jet 2
and the ramp agent has been put in the bag dock for a few months and will be brought back onto the ramp gradually.


User currently offlineTwinCommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 8):
Sounds like a lot of damage for not unplugging a GPU, usually it just damages the plug receptacle and door.

The arcing could only be half of the damage.

Most electrical systems also have the battery tied into it. SO if he pulled the GPU and the crew didn't notice it, its possible to have drained the batteries down to needing a deep cycle to get them back to capacity. The entire recharge process can take a few days if the batteries REALLY require it.

Also, a good battery tech can cost some money.


25 Cornish : Mmm and you may well be getting interviewed by the likes of me. And its not exam results that impress me the most when I recruit someone.....
26 7LBAC111 : Am I missing something? Has the exam structure in the UK changed? What exams do 13-15 year olds have? Don't you even have to be 16 to sit GCSE's? 7LB
27 Jetset7E7 : I work on the ramp for the Swissport at MAN, and they way we work it, is if you cause damage to equipment, or aircraft, you lose your driving permit f
28 MANmatt : People learn from mistakes, you can't just go sacking someone if they cause one mistake. The airline industry is a very intense industry and if you go
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