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Singapore Airlines And The Concorde  
User currently offlineFbm3rd From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9051 times:

I didnt know that Singapore used the Concorde. What routes was this used on? What this BA partnership b/c all the airline names on all of the 11 pics I found have BA/SIA as the airline? More info on this would be great...

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User currently offlineRossbaku From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9038 times:

If you check out the timeline and various other portions of www.ba.com/concorde you may be a little more in the light. Also, a fantastic sight for all of Concorde's history is http://www.concordesst.com

What you're looking for is here: http://www.concordesst.com/history/events/sia.html


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9037 times:

It was just a promotion thing I think, I not sure if I'm right but I think BA livery was on the other side. It looked great!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9013 times:

The Old BA livery is on the other side of the plane

Looked weird, but cool


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8656 times:
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IT'S NOT "THE CONCORDE", IT'S JUST Concorde!!!!!!


I came, I saw, I Concorde! RIP Michael Jackson
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

50% of F/A's were SIA, the other half, BA.

The service suffered (after it's false start in Dec 77), from not only the recession of the time, but from politics.
The original intention was to extend the service to the Singapore-Melbourne leg, was never realized.

The LHR-BAH leg had supercruise from passing the Italian coast over the Adriatic, right down to Bahrain.
As a civil war was raging in Lebanon at the time, the sonic boom would barely be noticed over land there, whilst over Saudi it was over mostly uninhabited areas.

Until the 1980 documentary on a UK channel 'Death Of A Princess', detailing the human rights abuses of the Saudi regime, then all of a sudden there were people affected in Saudi, as well as camels having their mating disturbed by the boom.
The loss of this overland supercruise leg, coupled with poor loads, made the service end in November 1980.

Only G-BOAD had the SIA livery on one side.

The BAH-SIN leg, over equatorial regions, demonstrated that the cooler air in this region at 50-60,000 feet, compared to the North Atlantic, increased engine efficiency enough to allow around a 200 mile range increase, this would later make possible non stop LHR-BGI services.


User currently offlineHarry From Canada, joined May 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

ya, i remember watching a concorde around the world tour video and the captain mention about SIA own the aircraft before
pretty cool  Smile



Harry
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8252 times:

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 4):
IT'S NOT "THE CONCORDE", IT'S JUST Concorde!!!!!!

It's an American thing, we put "the" in front of everything.....



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User currently offlineBeauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8172 times:

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 4):
IT'S NOT "THE CONCORDE", IT'S JUST Concorde!!!!!!

Just like people in the UK don't go to the hospital they go to hospital.


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7736 times:
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Yeah, but going to hospital or going to the hospital are both things people in the UK say, either way sounds right, but "The Concorde" just isn't right. It's just Concorde. So now you know!


I came, I saw, I Concorde! RIP Michael Jackson
User currently offlineBeauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 9):
"The Concorde" just isn't right. It's just Concorde. So now you know!

Is it just QE2?
Is it just 747?


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7594 times:
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Neither of those are Concorde! QE2 I might add "the" to, not sure about 747, might say "I flew a 747". If the was only one Concorde in the world, I'd accept "The Concorde". As there is only one QE2, "The QE2" doesn't sound too bad.


I came, I saw, I Concorde! RIP Michael Jackson
User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7416 times:
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Just a nickname, go easy. I'm just making the point that it is just Concorde, not the Concorde.


I came, I saw, I Concorde! RIP Michael Jackson
User currently offlineHodja From Singapore, joined Apr 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7416 times:
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So how long was the LHR-BAH-SIN flight then?

Today LHR-SIN is about 13hrs on a BA 744...


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7314 times:

About 9 hours I think.

User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7185 times:

ya, i remember watching a concorde around the world tour video and the captain mention about SIA own the aircraft before

SQ never owned the a/c - it was owned by BA, it was just jointly marketed and operated (cabin crew only; flight crew were all BA).


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7005 times:

In addition to the political problems with Saudi, I remember reading in one Concorde book (probably either Brian Trubshaw's or Christopher Orlebar's) that Malaysia gave BA grief about cruising supersonically over the Straits of Malacca en route to Singapore. Overflight permission was "on-again, off-again" and further complicated the route planning.

Also, Concorde's LHR-SIN loads apparently took a hit when BA introduced the 747-200 in 1977, which unlike the -100 could fly the route non-stop. The reduction in subsonic flight time made Concorde look that much less attractive.

I've always wondered how feasible a SIN-SYD extension would have been; I know it was investigated several times but came to nothing. Two tech stops is a lot for any route, but the subsonics obviously still have to make one anyway and supersonic overflight of the outback shouldn't have been a problem.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineJETSTREAM63 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6934 times:
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The BAH-SIN sector also ran into problems (as I remember) because of objections from India about supersonic overflights.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6769 times:

Unfortunately, supersonic flight over the outback was a problem, there was a successful campaign to prevent it.

User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6562 times:

The flights were jointly operated by SQ/BA.

BA flight crew piloted the aircraft throughout. But BA cabin crew operated the flight from LHR-BAH and SQ cabin crew took over from BAH to SIN and v.v.

The service was short lived when various countries complained of 'noise' and 'sonic booms scaring their fish stocks'. Service was suspended a few weeks after it started. But resumed after months of negotiation with neighbouring countries - namely India and Malaysia, came to some sort of agreement.

But the servce never really took off and after much fanfare, the joint operation of SQ/BA Concorde service was duly cancelled. But SQ celebrated and tauted their involvement with Concorde for years. The aircraft is even spotted on the Singapore $20 note.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Later, the Canadians allowed limited overland supercruise, not only on OAG's last flight to Seattle, but on charters roughly about half a dozen times a year, such as the 1999 Round The World charter (G-BOAD again), from New York to Vancouver.
Then again, they had no axe to grind, such as Air India or Malaysian airline rights, as well as Canada being made up mostly of those of British and French descent, so both sides of Concorde covered!


User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

The SQ and BA cabin crews did alternate sectors, so you would get SQ c/c in London and BA c/c crew in Singapore. Now some of the BA flight deck crews were base in Singapore for 3 months at a time and would only operate Singapore -Bahrain - Singapore sectors whilst the London crews would operate the London Bahrain sectors

The time London - Singapore was of the order of 9 hours and although to continue to Sydney would have been nice no supersonic flight was permitted over Australia after the proving flights and to be honest there was not enough Ist class traffic LHR to Sydney to warrant even trying. Remember Bahrain was only flown because it could not initially go to the states and Singapore was an extension to see if the route could break even, similar to the extension of the LHR- IAD route to MIA.

The cold temperatures at high altitudes in the lower Latitudes was known about before Concorde flew commercially and a modification had to be fitted to the Autopilot/Autothrottle system to cater for this so as to stop the aircraft zooming through 60,000 ft if it suddenly met a cold pocket of air. However these cold temp did allow the old girl to stretch here range to be able to do the Bahrain - Singapore sector via south of Ceylon, but even so the route was operated on the limits of the aircraft's range and was always a challenge to the crews. Indeed most of Concorde's operation was a challenge for the crew and this is why in this computerized era crews loved flying it.

Little vc10


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Although the Concorde liaison lasted briefly, it did wonders to raise SIA's recognition as a power house brand. Let's not forget during that time the airline was a mere 5 yrs old. It was indeed an achievement for the airline to be associated with the supersonic airliner as other than, BA and AF, no other carrier has had their livery painted on it.


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User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 4):
IT'S NOT "THE CONCORDE", IT'S JUST Concorde!!!!!!

Yes, it is.

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 7):
It's an American thing, we put "the" in front of everything.....

Yeah, unfortunately you do.

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 9):
"The Concorde" just isn't right. It's just Concorde.

It was made in the UK so, as EGTE says, it's just 'Concorde'. m'kay?


I also was not aware that Concorde ever carried the SQ colours before. Very cool!

So what colours were on Concorde?

Air France,

BA Landor,

BA Red tail,

BA Union Flag,

Pepsi,

BA/SQ,

any others?



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User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 20):
But the service never really took off and after much fanfare, the joint operation of SQ/BA Concorde service was duly cancelled. But SQ celebrated and tauted their involvement with Concorde for years. The aircraft is even spotted on the Singapore $20 note.

Funny thing is that the Singapore $20 shows the starboard side in SQ livery which has never been that way  Smile


25 Rossbaku : Chill. It's just a small three-letter word you're getting hyped up about.
26 EGTESkyGod : I know, but it does annoy me, and other Concorde fans, and I've seen it so many times! Additional Liveries to the ones already mentioned are: Old Air
27 MD-90 : It's the Concorde in the USA, not Concorde in USA, for example. It's American English, the World's Favorite English.
28 Post contains images Starlionblue : Wouldn't that be Indian English?
29 EGTESkyGod : Right, lets clear something up. English is so called because it originates in England, therefore the English way of saying things is technically the c
30 Mariner : Oh, bulldust. If you wrote "Comet" on the side of an aircraft, you wouldn't write "the Comet" - you'd just write "Comet" or "707" or "A380". But when
31 EGTESkyGod : True, but the name ended up being "Concorde", not "Concord" or "the Concord(e)", but I think it looks better with an "e" anyway.
32 GDB : Mariner, no one, not in industry, not with the operators, ever called it 'The Concorde'. Including our American staff at JFK who were directly associa
33 Post contains images Starlionblue : Ooh, hornet's nest! There are different variations, each with inherently correct grammar. Sort of like Belgian French and French French. There are di
34 Post contains images Mariner : Oh. Gosh. Hmmm. My father worked for Imperial/BOAC/British since 1936 and he called it "the Concord". My boss flew "that plane" several times a year,
35 Ryanair!!! : GUYS... BACK TO AVIATION! It is unbelievable how trivial the arguments here can be.
36 VC10 : I have never seen such a load of old crap, as this is supposed to be aviation site not an English class. I was associated with Concorde for 23 years a
37 EGTESkyGod : Quite right. By the way Mariner, you've quoted me as saying something I didn't (Reply 35.) You have actually quoted GDB. Back to aviation...
38 GDB : Just calling it how I saw (and heard) it. Actually, I don't really care, what bugs me is when it is spelt 'Concord' That stopped at the 001 roll out i
39 EI A330-200 : Just to throw some fuel on the fire, technically American English is the more correct English. If you compare the evolution of the languages, you'll s
40 Positiverate : Anyone on here ever fly Braniff's Concorde service? Any stories?
41 Post contains links and images Dan2002 : -Dan
42 HKGKaiTak : Mmm, that $20 note has the SQ livery on the wrong side - it's the port side that has the SQ livery and the starboard side was the BA livery!!!
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