Fbm3rd From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9868 times:
I didnt know that Singapore used the Concorde. What routes was this used on? What this BA partnership b/c all the airline names on all of the 11 pics I found have BA/SIA as the airline? More info on this would be great...
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13474 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9320 times:
50% of F/A's were SIA, the other half, BA.
The service suffered (after it's false start in Dec 77), from not only the recession of the time, but from politics.
The original intention was to extend the service to the Singapore-Melbourne leg, was never realized.
The LHR-BAH leg had supercruise from passing the Italian coast over the Adriatic, right down to Bahrain.
As a civil war was raging in Lebanon at the time, the sonic boom would barely be noticed over land there, whilst over Saudi it was over mostly uninhabited areas.
Until the 1980 documentary on a UK channel 'Death Of A Princess', detailing the human rights abuses of the Saudi regime, then all of a sudden there were people affected in Saudi, as well as camels having their mating disturbed by the boom.
The loss of this overland supercruise leg, coupled with poor loads, made the service end in November 1980.
Only G-BOAD had the SIA livery on one side.
The BAH-SIN leg, over equatorial regions, demonstrated that the cooler air in this region at 50-60,000 feet, compared to the North Atlantic, increased engine efficiency enough to allow around a 200 mile range increase, this would later make possible non stop LHR-BGI services.
EGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8411 times:
Neither of those are Concorde! QE2 I might add "the" to, not sure about 747, might say "I flew a 747". If the was only one Concorde in the world, I'd accept "The Concorde". As there is only one QE2, "The QE2" doesn't sound too bad.
B2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1384 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7822 times:
In addition to the political problems with Saudi, I remember reading in one Concorde book (probably either Brian Trubshaw's or Christopher Orlebar's) that Malaysia gave BA grief about cruising supersonically over the Straits of Malacca en route to Singapore. Overflight permission was "on-again, off-again" and further complicated the route planning.
Also, Concorde's LHR-SIN loads apparently took a hit when BA introduced the 747-200 in 1977, which unlike the -100 could fly the route non-stop. The reduction in subsonic flight time made Concorde look that much less attractive.
I've always wondered how feasible a SIN-SYD extension would have been; I know it was investigated several times but came to nothing. Two tech stops is a lot for any route, but the subsonics obviously still have to make one anyway and supersonic overflight of the outback shouldn't have been a problem.
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 845 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7379 times:
The flights were jointly operated by SQ/BA.
BA flight crew piloted the aircraft throughout. But BA cabin crew operated the flight from LHR-BAH and SQ cabin crew took over from BAH to SIN and v.v.
The service was short lived when various countries complained of 'noise' and 'sonic booms scaring their fish stocks'. Service was suspended a few weeks after it started. But resumed after months of negotiation with neighbouring countries - namely India and Malaysia, came to some sort of agreement.
But the servce never really took off and after much fanfare, the joint operation of SQ/BA Concorde service was duly cancelled. But SQ celebrated and tauted their involvement with Concorde for years. The aircraft is even spotted on the Singapore $20 note.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13474 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7328 times:
Later, the Canadians allowed limited overland supercruise, not only on OAG's last flight to Seattle, but on charters roughly about half a dozen times a year, such as the 1999 Round The World charter (G-BOAD again), from New York to Vancouver.
Then again, they had no axe to grind, such as Air India or Malaysian airline rights, as well as Canada being made up mostly of those of British and French descent, so both sides of Concorde covered!
Vc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1432 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7274 times:
The SQ and BA cabin crews did alternate sectors, so you would get SQ c/c in London and BA c/c crew in Singapore. Now some of the BA flight deck crews were base in Singapore for 3 months at a time and would only operate Singapore -Bahrain - Singapore sectors whilst the London crews would operate the London Bahrain sectors
The time London - Singapore was of the order of 9 hours and although to continue to Sydney would have been nice no supersonic flight was permitted over Australia after the proving flights and to be honest there was not enough Ist class traffic LHR to Sydney to warrant even trying. Remember Bahrain was only flown because it could not initially go to the states and Singapore was an extension to see if the route could break even, similar to the extension of the LHR- IAD route to MIA.
The cold temperatures at high altitudes in the lower Latitudes was known about before Concorde flew commercially and a modification had to be fitted to the Autopilot/Autothrottle system to cater for this so as to stop the aircraft zooming through 60,000 ft if it suddenly met a cold pocket of air. However these cold temp did allow the old girl to stretch here range to be able to do the Bahrain - Singapore sector via south of Ceylon, but even so the route was operated on the limits of the aircraft's range and was always a challenge to the crews. Indeed most of Concorde's operation was a challenge for the crew and this is why in this computerized era crews loved flying it.
Ryanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4783 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7098 times:
Although the Concorde liaison lasted briefly, it did wonders to raise SIA's recognition as a power house brand. Let's not forget during that time the airline was a mere 5 yrs old. It was indeed an achievement for the airline to be associated with the supersonic airliner as other than, BA and AF, no other carrier has had their livery painted on it.
Welcome to my starry one world alliance, a team in the sky!
Vunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6964 times:
Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 20): But the service never really took off and after much fanfare, the joint operation of SQ/BA Concorde service was duly cancelled. But SQ celebrated and tauted their involvement with Concorde for years. The aircraft is even spotted on the Singapore $20 note.
Funny thing is that the Singapore $20 shows the starboard side in SQ livery which has never been that way
: Chill. It's just a small three-letter word you're getting hyped up about.
: I know, but it does annoy me, and other Concorde fans, and I've seen it so many times! Additional Liveries to the ones already mentioned are: Old Air
: It's the Concorde in the USA, not Concorde in USA, for example. It's American English, the World's Favorite English.