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US Airways Is Dropping Its 4 PIT-ATL Routes  
User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

US Airways is dropping its four daily flights from Pittsburgh International Airport to Atlanta next month.

The flights were "not performing," said airline spokeswoman Amy Kudwa.

US Airways once offered more than 500 flights a day from Pittsburgh, but now offers fewer than 220.

Airport officials have already talked to Delta Airlines, which is based Atlanta, and Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, which has a large hub in Atlanta, about picking up the slack. Those airlines haven't said what they plan to do.

Delta already offers 10 flights a day from Pittsburgh to Atlanta and AirTran offers four

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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4535 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Good lord. There were 18 daily depatures to a single city? No wonder US dumped the route. With a city the site of Pittsburgh can you really have slack when you have 14 daily departures to a single city?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlinePITA333 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 391 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

Thats a surprise and, yet, not a surprise to me at the same time. I knew that this route was not doing well because of DL and FL having the route as well. However, I am surprised that US would not downgrade it to 1 or 2 times daily before getting rid of the route all together.

Regards,
PITA333


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Quoting PITA333 (Reply 2):
However, I am surprised that US would not downgrade it to 1 or 2 times daily before getting rid of the route all together.

If you don't offer at least 3x daily in this market, which relies on business traffic, it would be difficult to be successful.



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

This was in the schedules a week or two ago, and most of the papers picked it up then. They're dropping BOS-GSO as well.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12783 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6001 times:
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Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
Delta already offers 10 flights a day from Pittsburgh to Atlanta and AirTran offers four



Quoting Indy (Reply 1):
With a city the site of Pittsburgh can you really have slack when you have 14 daily departures to a single city?

Wow! That sounds like hub carriers saturating the route... What's the load factor and just as important the percentage of O&D? DL doesn't need to add flights. If more seats are needed they could "supersize." FL... Who knows, but if its profitable I expect them to add one more.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

If you don't offer at least 3x daily in this market, which relies on business traffic, it would be difficult to be successful.

So true. It amazes me how many people forget that the high yield customer demands convenience for their dollar.

***Warning, speculation starting***

With the US/HP merger, will PIT shrink further? I would expect to see a fleet rationalization (read: reduction) and a hub rationalization. US/HP isn't going to be large enough to support PHL, LAS, PHX, Charlotte, PIT, with "focus cities" in FLL, LAX, and probably one or two more that I've forgotten.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

In addition to the ending of PIT-ATL, US Airways is suspending the Saturday-only PIT-CUN, effective Sept. 17. The service will resume on Oct. 15, again only on Saturdays, with the A319.




N670UW


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

On one hand, that US is dropping a route like PIT-ATL is not surprising, its hard competing against both AirTran and Delta on a route into their hub city of Atlanta. Now that PIT is no longer a US hub city, I assume that there is not adequate demand for US to operate 3 or 4 flights per day on the PIT-ATL which, as pointed, out, is the minimum number of flights on a route such as this that will keep premium pax happy. It is suprising, however, that US cannot make a flight from PIT to a major business center such as ATL work, if US is serious about keeping PIT as a focus city (is it?) and keeping PIT based travellers as loyal US Airways customers, there are certain cities to which a pax expects an airline to offer nonstop service, and I would think ATL is among those top cities. Moves such as this lead me to believe that US has really lost interest in PIT, and once the HP/US deal is finalized, PIT may see further cuts and end up with nothing more than flights to the four other US/HP hubs (PHL, CLT, LAS, PHX) and maybe some flights to highdemand leisure destinations (say Florida cities) plus, possibly, nonstops to LAX and SFO.

It will be interesting to watch which airlines fill the void at PIT resulting from the winding down of the US hub at that city.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Excellent post, Dutchjet.

I sometimes too question the committment of US to PIT. Even though they added IAH back to the schedules, there seems to be a lack of interest in keeping PIT alive.

The downsizing of the PIT hub to about half of what it once was is really similar to what happened in St. Louis. However it only took American a month to realize they probably trimmed STL down a little too far, and began adding flights back. It seems to be the opposite happening in PIT leading me to believe either:
A. either the local traffic can't fill the flights in place, and the schedule still needs to be resized to the local demand
or
B. US simply doesn't want anything to do with PIT

Worst case scenario is option B, and even with that I really don't think US will all together abandon PIT, too big of a FF base to just get up and walk away. Flights to major business centers, hubs, and Florida will always be there, but say goodbye to places like STL, IND, BNA etc.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Moves such as this lead me to believe that US has really lost interest in PIT, and once the HP/US deal is finalized, PIT may see further cuts and end up with nothing more than flights to the four other US/HP hubs (PHL, CLT, LAS, PHX) and maybe some flights to highdemand leisure destinations (say Florida cities) plus, possibly, nonstops to LAX and SFO.

I suspect you are right. With US dropping almost 60 mainline aircraft over a years time, I think PIT will take the brunt of the cuts. My guess is that USAirways PIT operation will look something like this by late 2006/early 2007.

LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS, DEN, ORD, BOS, BDL, LGA, PHL, DCA, BWI, IAD, CLT, RDU, MCO, TPA, FLL, IAH, MSY plus a handful of smaller markets

Total number of flights around 80 (about half mainline and the other half EMB170 or RJ's).


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 9):
LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS, DEN, ORD, BOS, BDL, LGA, PHL, DCA, BWI, IAD, CLT, RDU, MCO, TPA, FLL, IAH, MSY plus a handful of smaller markets

Why??? I mean, is there REALLY a market for RDU-PIT? coulnd't they make better use of 3 RDU flights than PIT? I mean, start RDU-PVD with the 3 RJ.. or start RDU-JAX or RDU-RSW or RDU-SRQ or RDU-MCI or RDU-SDF or RDU-CMH or something..



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User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 949 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
US Airways once offered more than 500 flights a day from Pittsburgh, but now offers fewer than 220.

Airport officials have already talked to Delta Airlines, which is based Atlanta, and Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, which has a large hub in Atlanta, about picking up the slack. Those airlines haven't said what they plan to do.



Quoting Indy (Reply 1):
With a city the site of Pittsburgh can you really have slack when you have 14 daily departures to a single city?

I assumed the article meant the airport officials at PIT have asked Delta and AirTran to pick up the slack for the reduction from 500 to 220 flights, to cities other than Atlanta. For example, asking AirTran to add flights from PIT to Florida.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

Quoting PITA333 (Reply 2):
I am surprised that US would not downgrade it to 1 or 2 times daily before getting rid of the route all together.



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
It will be interesting to watch which airlines fill the void at PIT resulting from the winding down of the US hub at that city.

You can bet FL will pick up at least one more flight to be more competitive with DL on this route. I think 4 for them and 14 for DL is a little lopsided.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
Airport officials have already talked to Delta Airlines, which is based Atlanta, and Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, which has a large hub in Atlanta, about picking up the slack

What slack is there to pick up? US offered only 200 seats per day, and as they said, the flights were not perfoming meaning either bad loads, bad yields, or both. If FL and DL decided not to add any capacity they can just enjoy better loads, and perhaps even slightly better yields. I don't think DL will care too much about it, other than perhaps upgrading the 2 CRJs to CR7s.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 12):
You can bet FL will pick up at least one more flight to be more competitive with DL on this route

I don't know about that. Airtran may have other markets where the revenue would be greater. They may decide to just sit back and enjoy the greater yields.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4535 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 8):
say goodbye to places like STL, IND, BNA etc

Is IND-PIT much like IND-STL once AA dismantled the hub in STL? Without the connecting opportunities there really isn't enough demand between the cities. IND-PIT is just under a 7 hour drive. They may be able to keep that route alive where IND-STL was around 4.5 hrs. PIT-BNA is over 10 hours. You don't think they'd at least keep some rj service to these markets? Without that you are talking about routes that are too long to drive and connecting in PHL or CLT would make the trip about as long as driving at least in the PIT-IND route.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Indy,

You are making too much out of that comment, I'm saying for the Pittsburgh hub in general. I said that USAirways may keep flights to major business centers, Florida, and the hubs, none of which implicate IND. If there isn't alot of connecting traffic on routes like STL/IND-PIT, then they probably won't last. They'll just transfer a frequency or two to PHX/CLT/PHL (assuming merger).

BTW, STL was already supposed to have been cut. AX dropped the route, so US kept flying it, for the time being.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4535 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

It will be a tough call for US/HP. Do you keep major control of PIT or do you cut way back and allow competition to work its way in. ATL is just a tough market to get in to. ORD is the same way. I suspect DFW was just as bad until DL closed its hub there.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

In some ways this is surprising, in others not.

When US Airways announced the demotion of PIT to a focus city, they stated the goal was to focus on PIT's top 20 or 25 O&D markets.

Atlanta is PIT's third-largest O&D market, with an average of 921 daily local passengers (according to the DOT, 3Q04). Only Chicago (1,015) and New York (962) rank higher.

On the other hand, US Airways has never really been the dominant player in PIT-ATL, or even in ATL in general. Especially now -- Delta offers 9 daily flights (7 MD-80, 2 CRJ) and AirTran offers 4 (717). It's logical to understand that a few regional jet frequencies with limited connections in Pittsburgh wouldn't hold up very well against its competition.



N670UW


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5647 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 8):
A. either the local traffic can't fill the flights in place, and the schedule still needs to be resized to the local demand
or
B. US simply doesn't want anything to do with PIT

Worst case scenario is option B, and even with that I really don't think US will all together abandon PIT, too big of a FF base to just get up and walk away. Flights to major business centers, hubs, and Florida will always be there, but say goodbye to places like STL, IND, BNA etc.

Or C. Pittsburgh residents are wanting less and less to do with US.

PIT just had it's highest O/D period EVER, DESPITE the US drawdown, and BEFORE the WN entrance to our market. PIT's traffic base isn't going anywhere, it's US that is turning their back. I'm now to the point where I really wish US would stick a fork in their PIT operations, send the Air Midwest Beech's running EAS down to CLT, and put the residents of Pittsburgh out of their misery. It's not like they contribute to the lease base as it is, they defaulted on half of it. Maybe US can find a way to add a few more flights a day to PHL... so there can be that much more congestion lined up on the taxiways burning fuel waiting for a slot to take off... especially while they're wasting fuel with nearly-empty jets on runs like PHL-ABE (61 miles) and PIT-ERI.

That said... the O&D on a PIT-ATL route, roughly would be half based in PIT, half in ATL. The half based in ATL you can bet your bottom dollars are DL/FL loyalists, leaving US to compete for SOME of the non-Skyteam member PIT based traffic. That, and the fact that DL/FL (esp. FL) give those tickets away basically to get people to their hub, and why would US even bother?? Put the planes on routes that'll make money, and let DL/FL duke it out for the PIT market to ATL.

As for your comments about places like BNA, IND, etc... alot of that will be based on WN... and I agree with you, in due time. I'd see us losing US to BNA really quickly if WN rolled into town with that flight (country music fans??), if US dropped IND to PIT I bet NW would pick it up with a CRJ... they already jumped into the PHL-IND market despite US having a ton of capacity on that run already. STL.. AA already, with some connection opportunities there. More markets I expect PIT to lose as soon as WN (or *gasp* B6) looks at them: MHT, PVD, PWM.

US could easily use PIT for connections to their rather limited Midwest stations, CLT for their southern/Caribbean network, and PHL for the bread-and-butter NE US markets... which is a plan that would make a good bit of sense and really help the range out on an RJ (that ~ 300mi from PHL-PIT + extra taxi time at PHL would really give US better range to the west from PIT vs PHL) but if US did things that made sense to most of us... they would have liquidated long ago because that was the most logical chapter for the US story up until that mythical merger became reality.


User currently offlineMikeyCpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 9):
LAX, SFO, PHX, LAS, DEN, ORD, BOS, BDL, LGA, PHL, DCA, BWI, IAD, CLT, RDU, MCO, TPA, FLL, IAH, MSY plus a handful of smaller markets

PVD would supercede BDL on the priority list. It's the #2 station in New England behind, obviously, BOS.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5491 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 19):
Or C. Pittsburgh residents are wanting less and less to do with US.

Interesting proposition. Our situations are incredibly similar, both were giant hubs, and were basically cut in half.

Its hard to think that Pittsburgh residents will just turn their back on US but I guess if it (the cuts) got enough negative publicity, it could very well happen. I remember when the FLL focus city was opened up, the PIT airport director called it a "slap in the face".

American got its share of negative publicity, but when they made the cuts it was as if loyalty to the AA/TW brand just increased. American can basically do whatever they want in St. Louis and dictate the fares, while the local public will still fly it because it offers the best overall product. WN is nearly the only other option for n/s service, and they are reportedly unhappy with St. Louis in a number of ways (Loads, Costs, rwy 11/29).

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 19):
I'm now to the point where I really wish US would stick a fork in their PIT operations

Our scenarios are extmrely similar, and at one point I was also wishing AA would pack up and leave. When you think about it however, St. Louis wouldn't have flights to places like RIC, ORF, VPS etc. PIT would likely be in the same boat, losing numerous destinations, so be careful what you wish for.

The worst case scenario for PIT overall would be US Airways staying in PIT, and having no interest in it. Hopefully US Airways doesn't linger with 150 flights, either keep the 210-220 you have today and be the dominant force, or downsize and keep the few premium routes. If the linger with 150 flights, that will be just enough to keep any new significant entrants out, and PIT will suffer. If they downsize, and keep 30-50 flights a day, a slew of new service from other carriers would flow in.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 21):
The worst case scenario for PIT overall would be US Airways staying in PIT, and having no interest in it. Hopefully US Airways doesn't linger with 150 flights, either keep the 210-220 you have today and be the dominant force, or downsize and keep the few premium routes. If the linger with 150 flights, that will be just enough to keep any new significant entrants out, and PIT will suffer. If they downsize, and keep 30-50 flights a day, a slew of new service from other carriers would flow in.

That was my point too... leave to "make room" for others. We might physically have the gate room already, but the perception is that we're still a US fortress... regardless of stuff like Hooters and USA3000 or whatever they are moving in... and WN's recent entry.


User currently offlineFlyBoy84 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 382 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5312 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 21):
American can basically do whatever they want in St. Louis and dictate the fares, while the local public will still fly it because it offers the best overall product.

Well, I'm from St. Louis and I've seen a shift in passenger traffic from the C and D gates to the A gates, large conventions and holiday traffic notwithstanding. Perhaps a slight shift in attitudes toward American.

I'll fly US before I fly American.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 days ago) and read 5303 times:

Hmm.
Now PIT says they are reopening 11 of the closed gates to meet the increased O/D demand...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05192/536256.stm



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25 Srbmod : At one point pre-9/11, US was doing pretty good against DL on the route, and was flying every non-Airbus narrowbody in their fleet at the time on the
26 A330323X : I don't know why anybody is surprised by this. Look for DTW to be next, along with smaller markets like AVP, BUF, CMH, DAY, ROC... The downsizing of t
27 Srbmod : I wouldn't call three gates "plenty", if they had their fourth gate back (Delta Connection uses an old US gate and even the jetway is gone) that migh
28 A330323X : I wouldn't call three gates "plenty", if they had their fourth gate back (Delta Connection uses an old US gate and even the jetway is gone) that might
29 Post contains links Tornado82 : HOW, please tell me, do you think US is going to cram that much more traffic through PHL if they don't want any connecting done at PIT?? Or are they
30 A330323X : HOW, please tell me, do you think US is going to cram that much more traffic through PHL if they don't want any connecting done at PIT?? Or are they j
31 Post contains links KarlB737 : PIT Working on Luggage, Gate Improvements: Courtesy: WTAE-TV http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/4708537/detail.html
32 Tornado82 : And where will all the turboprops go if they close gates in A? B?? So we can squeeze them around another set of gates not designed for props?? They b
33 MAH4546 : EAS routes can be changed while the contract is still being ran. In fact, expect many of the PIT EAS routes to switch over to IAD, as some already ha
34 A330323X : And where will all the turboprops go if they close gates in A? B?? Yes. And they're not getting rid of ALL of the A gates (yet), so it will be mostly
35 Tornado82 : Some = AOO (JST?), as per an agreement with the airport management group up there as well. For those to switch to IAD on a more plentiful basis you'd
36 Tornado82 : Whoops. Obviously a typo, don't call the police on me.
37 Tornado82 : Back to the lines of that EAS traffic. Awhile back you were providing us with good information on the EAS situations at HGR, MGW, and CKB. Any news on
38 Post contains images A330323X : In fact, expect many of the PIT EAS routes to switch over to IAD, as some already have. I think most of the ones likely to switch hubs have already do
39 PSU.DTW.SCE : As for the EAS stuff switching from PIT to IAD, you can easily do an on-line transfer between Air Midwest onto United, or any other airline that has i
40 Post contains images A330323X : Sooner or a later the bottom will drop out. Think sooner. Like the November schedule sooner.
41 Tornado82 : I think you meant AMW in MGW. But... DCA is built up to a comparable level (as far as US goes) as PIT... why send the traffic to DCA and use up valua
42 Post contains links A330323X : I think you meant AMW in MGW. But... DCA is built up to a comparable level (as far as US goes) as PIT... why send the traffic to DCA and use up valuab
43 MAH4546 : Yes, there will be more cuts coming to Pittsburgh for the November schedule which should be announced mid-August along with some new routes from FLL t
44 SHUPirate1 : Care to elaborate? (actually, I'm more interested in the Fort Lauderdale additions, but the Pittsburgh subtractions will be nice to hear too, unless
45 Pgh234 : I do find it rather pathetic that US Airways can't fill a few ERJ's on one of PIT's biggest O&D routes. However, I am guessing that AirTran will bring
46 MAH4546 : I know nothing other than an announcement is planned and SFO-FLL is supposed to be announced.
47 Post contains images A330323X : There's a big difference between a full plane and a profitable one. US is having no trouble filling the planes.
48 A330323X : I can't add anything much to what Mark said, other than the return of BDL/BWI/EWR is rumored along with the start of SFO and some increased intra-Flo
49 MAH4546 : Basiclly, for PIT, anything and everything is fair game except for the obvious: PHL, CLT, PHX, LAS, BOS, LGA, FLL, DCA, MCO, and the EAS cities.
50 Pgh234 : I am well aware of that...which is why I said "fares have not been abnormally low." Many flights dont have coach fares of under $200 each way availab
51 A330323X : OK, faremeasure.com shows the average one-way fare to be $106.24, for a yield of 20.2 cents. DL has a 55.6% market share, and FL a 27.8% market share
52 Tornado82 : Add ORD to that. WN isn't going to take THAT big of a chunk out with MDW... and considering the US/UA codeshare and ORD being the UA hub... you're no
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : Stuff that is likely gone from PIT (or already has been announced): ALB, ABE, AOO (switching to IAD in July), ATL (announced in this thread), BUF, DAY
54 MAH4546 : I agree that dropping ORD and TPA is not likely, but there is simply no set pattern to what US is keeping and cutting, and they are certainly not 100
55 Post contains links A330323X : I'll note that this is complete speculation, but this is what I think an appropriate schedule for PIT would be. It even has *shock* some nonstop route
56 Cltguy : bye bye PIT. It was nice knowing you.
57 KcrwFlyer : are those locations not performing? whats your reasoning?
58 N670UW : It's pretty logical reasoning. None of those markets have an extraordinary amount of local traffic - all of which were heavily dependent upon connect
59 PSU.DTW.SCE : Its likely that a lot of the medicore RJ routes are as good as gone that we've mentioned - DTW, RIC, ORF, TYS, SDF, BNA, SYR The wildcard is Colgan's
60 A330323X : Its likely that a lot of the medicore RJ routes are as good as gone that we've mentioned - DTW, RIC, ORF, TYS, SDF, BNA, SYR BNA actually performs wel
61 KcrwFlyer : ive been talking with the manager up at yeager for a while. from what i understand , colgan decudes where they want to fly and how often. they could
62 A330323X : they have to be making money, or else theyed drop or reduce the route? Not necessarily. As I said, Colgan rotates the aircraft over CRW for its DCA fl
63 Tornado82 : There's a surprising amount of PIT-ABE O&D I just read recently.. 104pax/day.(Faremeasure.com) That's ABE's #1 O&D destination believe it or not. Fly
64 KcrwFlyer : dca loads arent that great. actually theyre bad. with the yield theyre getting ive heard that they only need about 13 pax to make money on a flight,
65 Post contains images Tornado82 : WHY?!?!? Unless they connect their way down to MGW (which is going to be hard to fit that many people considering it's B1900 service) it would be FAR
66 KcrwFlyer : i dont know why, i just know that last year, on gameday weekends, Us was filling 4 erjs to PIT. and with all of the WV eas, ive always wondered why t
67 A330323X : They don't anymore, all three frequencies to BKW/BLF now operate to IAD. As for why they did in the first place, that's what the communities wanted,
68 Post contains images KcrwFlyer : thanks for the update A330323X.
69 ERJ170 : I can't say it enough.. RDU has a little under 150 daily pax.. but I still say it should be dropped.. it's 1 RJ, 2 DH8.. I mean, is this route really
70 Post contains images Tornado82 : Did those come about during the HP "hub" in CMH, hence EAS was still going to a "hub?" Anyone want to become a charter operator... with charters for
71 A330323X : No, they didn't start until last August or so, long after the HP CMH hub was gone. Also, for these purposes, the DOT definition of "hub" has to do wi
72 Tornado82 : They want to be a Point to Point airline though... eliminate connections when possible. Start eliminating much more of that Express from PIT and US w
73 Tornado82 : I knew that part... hence MCI for Air Midwest, and other places like that across the Mississippi... not to mention PIT isn't a "hub" now either.
74 Post contains images A330323X : ERJ170 is the captain of the RDU cheerleading squad.
75 Post contains images Tornado82 : Oh yeah that's right. If ERJ170 is male, I sure hope he doesn't wear a skirt.. that won't attract many to the RDU area.
76 ScottB : Because the bulk of the profit in the operation these days comes from passengers traveling non-stop, not from people making connections. Those connec
77 KcrwFlyer : this is off topic, but ive been wondering why our 2 crjs to PHL have such poor loads, while our 5 Erj's to CLT are doing well. does PHL lack connectio
78 Tornado82 : Nope. There are similar effects here in ABE. Anyone else's RJ's are packed to the gills... including US' to CLT or the Saabs to PIT... but the flight
79 Post contains images Tornado82 : ScottB: I know all that stuff... I'm just a Pittsburgher in denial... I still need a little bit more time with the coping and mourning process. My onl
80 Usairways85 : Well i would hope that if the loads on PHL-ABE were really that bad that US would rearrange the schedule/aircraft to better suite the market. Consider
81 ERJ170 : He is.. testosterific! Many came to the Raleigh area to see me.. I was my own moument. Alas, since I have moved, all flights now come to DC.. Rah-Rah
82 Post contains images Tornado82 : US Management and incompetent in the same sentence... makes sense to me. 17 people on an ERJ-145... on a Friday evening. That's just the latest examp
83 Tornado82 : Is there that much demand to CMH?? Don't be greedy, everyone loves the E70 and they have to spread the love! Might be better off on your WN wish list
84 ERJ170 : Sure. There used to be 4x daily on AE. I'm sure DL could fill 2 CRJ or 1 CRJ/1 E70. Actually, I have no love to UA and wish very bad will against the
85 Post contains images Tornado82 : I expect ABE service, period.
86 ERJ170 : Deciding between ABE and TTN..
87 MAH4546 : As it was already stated near the top of this thread, certain markets need to be big enough to handle multiple daily flights in order to attract the
88 ERJ170 : Isn't that what I said?
89 MAH4546 : Maybe I misunderstood. You said Northwest could handle one daily, which just wouldn't be profitable.
90 KcrwFlyer : folks used to get on me for turning every thread i go to into something about crw. what about good ol' ERJ170? heres another RDU conversion. Lol, grea
91 LambertMan : Yes, ERJ170 could turn a topic about Aeroflot into a lengthy debate over whether a daily service from AE on RDU-BUF would be feasible. Kcrwflyer, Mar
92 ERJ170 : Youz guyz.. I'm not really a big AE or UA fan.. and I didn't intentually mean to do that.. I was just asking why they were keeping that flight. It go
93 LambertMan : ERJ, all in good fun, don't be offended.
94 ERJ170 : Not offended.. I"m really just confused why US is keeping the RDU-PIT.. it's only traveled by 136 people and using prop service.. just seems like it w
95 KcrwFlyer : well, theres supposedly about 20 from CRW and we still have the flight, soo, are you saying that you dont have enough O&D dor the route to make sense
96 ERJ170 : beats me.. I'm just thinking and typing.. if you asked me, they could drop it down to 2 ERJ or 2 DH8 and be done with it..
97 KcrwFlyer : lol. I wish US would re-do the crw scheduel too
98 Cltguy : As has been said many times before that for business reasons they like to have at least 3 flights a day. Now, since you used to live in the Triangle
99 ERJ170 : Bayer used to have a large HQ there.. now Bayer only has a small HQ there.. but there isn't enough Bayer traffic for that.. but, that's just my opini
100 MAH4546 : Pittsburgh is Bayer's main US base of operations, and, in fact, they helped make PIT-FRA the "second most famous subsidized trans-Atlantic flight" af
101 ERJ170 : Just to recap. I used to work for Bayer. PIT was their North American HQ. Raleigh, NC was the HQ for their blood plasma products (with another facili
102 MAH4546 : Of course it makes money, because it is subisidized. So what? I never said there was something wrong with that. American's MIA-MAN service is subsidi
103 Cltguy : Super defensive...lawd have mercy.
104 ERJ170 : And getting tired of some peoples catty comments on things not of their concern..
105 Cltguy : So, to bring this back to the 3rd tangent in this thread. If it isn't Bayer that is keeping this RDU-PIT route alive....then what is? Those people are
106 JCS17 : Great job, US, as usual. They currently have four flights every weekday. Are you really trying to tell me that there aren't 90-100 PIT (who probably h
107 AFHokie : I'd just like to see the CAE-PIT nonstops come back...
108 Post contains images A330323X : Did you read my reply 51? Guess not. No, there aren't 90-100 PIT originating pax each day that fly US. More like 69 or less. And has been said multip
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