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Update On NW Crash 5/05  
User currently offlineHirisk From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4837 times:


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i found out a couple days ago that NW decided the the A319 is DBER.appearently when they hit,it snapped the rear main spar.


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User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

What a waste.
You'd think they'd just unbolt the wing and bolt another on  Smile
I take it they're not made modular like most cars these days.



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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

this is categorized by the FAA as incident.


I hope the insurance was paid!


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4643 times:
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Is this the first Airbus lost in a ground incident for NW or the second? LGA?


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User currently onlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

I doubt the bus will be written off... maybe the 9 will.


I know the Pinnacle CRJ that went offroading in MKE in january is already back on the line...it was classified as an accident. Doesn't take much to do a million dollars of damage these days.



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User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

I realize this incident is far from funny. But...Is it just me or do these two aircraft look as if they were caught in the middle of...err...making baby airplanes?

Regards,
AAgent



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7707 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 4):
I know the Pinnacle CRJ that went offroading in MKE in january is already back on the line...it was classified as an accident. Doesn't take much to do a million dollars of damage these days.

Thats good to hear, initial rumors were that this aircraft was damaged beyond repair too. I hadn't heard about it coming back, or seen it, so I assumed they did write it off. Initial reports were that the aircraft was literally bent. Shows what a good repair job they can do.

An A319 was written off in LGA in a ground incident a year or two ago. The 757 it hit was repaired and returned to service within a week. The A319 was parted out in LGA.

The DC-9 is a write-off, not economical to repair. It is being parted-out in MSP. Can't confirm anything on the A319. Airbus did have a team working on it. Its possible it may not be worth repairing. Sometimes the parts are are more valuable that the costs to repair.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Uh, ive heard quite the opposite that they were only a short time away from getting its certificate back. If they were going to scrap it they would have done it in the beginning.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 2):
this is categorized by the FAA as incident.

Actually, given the damage involved to each aircraft, and the hospitalization of the DC-9 captain, it's technically an "accident."

From NTSB Part 830: (Definitions)

Aircraft accident means an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.

Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety of operations.

Serious injury means any injury which: (1) Requires hospitalization for more than 48 hours, commencing within 7 days from the date of the injury was received; (2) results in a fracture of any bone (except simple fractures of fingers, toes, or nose); (3) causes severe hemorrhages, nerve, muscle, or tendon damage; (4) involves any internal organ; or (5) involves second- or third-degree burns, or any burns affecting more than 5 percent of the body surface.

Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered "substantial damage'' for the purpose of this part.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Actually, given the damage involved to each aircraft, and the hospitalization of the DC-9 captain, it's technically an "accident."

You are right OPNL, I didn't realize there were injuries, That's what I get for 3 hours sleep last night.

Thanks for the correction, in any event it is not categorized as a "crash".  Smile


User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

The A319 in question WILL be returned to service--The new tail skin sections were being installed today and due out in about 3 weeks....


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User currently offlineWayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting Hirisk (Thread starter):
the hospitalization of the DC-9 captain

May 5.. that is almost one and 1/2 months ago. Time fly past fast! Slight off topic here - how is the captain doing today? I am sure the lone captain is out of the hospital by now.. did the captain return to work as of yet?


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Actually, at first glance (in the small picture), the nose of the DC-9 looks like a secone engine on the right wing (let your eyes go out of focus).

My first thought at seeing this was "when did NWA start CV-880 service?"  laughing 



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User currently offlineHirisk From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

thanks for the correction farve.i guess the person who told me was incorrect.


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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Does anybody recall what happened to the NW A320 that slid into a light pole while "parked" at LAS? I recall the plane being in a make-shift hanger at the North end of the cargo area for several weeks if not months.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7707 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 14):
Does anybody recall what happened to the NW A320 that slid into a light pole while "parked" at LAS? I recall the plane being in a make-shift hanger at the North end of the cargo area for several weeks if not months

That aircraft had minimal damage and returned to service.

The only write-offs in recent times:
A319 - LGA: collision with jet bridge during maintenance taxi to gate
Avro RJ-85 (Mesaba) - MEM: collision with jet bridge, brake/hydraulic failure into gate
CRJ (Pinnacle) - JEF: Flight 3701 ferry flight, crash
DC-9-50 - MSP: Hydraulic / brake failure on taxi, collision with A319
DC-9-30 - MSP: fuel truck ran into DC-9, driver fell asleeps


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

Avro RJ-85 (Mesaba) - MEM: collision with jet bridge, brake/hydraulic failure into gate

Don't you at least have to have them turned 'ON' to have a failure..? They didn't even have the aircraft properly configured to have brake pressure.



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