Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 28 Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
Good evening gentlemen,
Aerolíneas Argentinas will start flying, on October 4th, non-stop from Buenos Aires Ezeiza (EZE) to Barcelona El Prat de Llobregat (BCN). Flights will be operated as AR 1160/1161, every Tuesday and Thursday, coming back home on Wednesday and Friday, with Airbus A340-200 aircraft.
Flights are already bookeable through Amadeus:
AR 1160
EZE 20:30
BCN 14:00+1 día(s)
Sin escalas 340
Martes Jueves
AR 1161
BCN 22:30
EZE 6:55+1 día(s)
Sin escalas 340
Miércoles Viernes
In order to maintain this schedule, the A342s will have to stop flying to some other destinations they currently serve (Miami, New York, Rome and Auckland-Sydney). I'll keep you updated regarding AR's fleet changes because of this new route.
Saludos,
Marambio
Edit- Typo
[Edited 2005-07-12 07:18:27]
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4151 times:
This is awesome news.
This is continuing the recent trend of opening secondary long-haul gateways between South America and Europe. We have already seen this with Air Madrid (TLC-MAD, CTG-MAD, LPA-EZE, TFN-EZE), Avianca (CLO-MAD), AeroMexico (MTY-MAD), and now Aerolineas Argentinas. Great news.
The planes won't be coming from MIA or JFK, though. AR would love to put 744s to Miami, but can't until Argentina goes back to Cat. I.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4135 times:
Wow, great news! Thanks for the info Marcos; this is really nice. It is very gratifying to see that, finally, BCN is getting more trans-Atlantic service. I believe the only trans-Atlantic flights BCN currently has are DL's ATL-BCN and/or JFK-BCN (feel free to correct me since I am sure I got something wrong). Being Spain's second city, a major port of call in the Mediterranean and a tourism and industry powerhouse, Barcelona definitely needs a non-stop connection with Latin America. There is nothing I would like more than see some day AM offering non-stop service to BCN from MEX. In the meantime, congratulations to AR and to our friends from Argentina for this cool flight. I don't think the success of the service is in doubt; hopefully at some point AR can add more frequencies once more long-haul planes are added to the fleet.
Finally, in connection with Marcos' statement that the A342's will fly less to some of their current destinations, I think this EZE-BCN flight is a result of the addition of one more 747 to the AR fleet. Lucky the city that is getting AR 747 service and lucky BCN for this new flight!
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 28 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1): AR would love to put 744s to Miami, but can't until Argentina goes back to Cat. I.
Actually it can!
On April 1st 2005, the FAA made an excemption for Aerolíneas' 744, in order to allow them to fly to the USA. This was done after all AR 744 pilots finished a one-month-long training at UA's facilities in Denver.
Quote: The FAA authorizes Aerolíneas Argentinas to fly its newer planes to the USA
The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) authorized Aerolíneas Argentinas to operate its Boeing 747-400 aircraft on its flights to the USA.
This special authorization constitutes a significant milestone for the Company, since our country has been classified under Category 2 by the FAA on operational security, prohibiting Argentine airlines to opening new routes, changing destinations or incorporating new aircrafts to its USA flights.
This excemption, granted to Aerolíneas Argentinas, was achieved after an exhaustive audit made out by the FAA, about crew's training and qualifications, and aircraft's maintenance. It allows Aerolíneas Argentinas to fly its Boeing 747-400 to its USA flights, apart from the current Boeing 747-200 and Airbus A340, which operate regular flights to Miami and New York.
The FAA approval, which was supported by the Argentine Air Force, is one of the very few ever granted worlwide, and shows Aerolíneas Argentinas' high trustworthiness on its air travel operations.
There is a strong rumour down here suggesting the FAA would grant another excemption to AR, this time for their A310s. Although those are currently quite busy flying to México via Lima, and even more now that the triangular route to Bogotá and Caracas has been resumed, I tend to believe the A310 is a good option for off-peak months, when the demand to Miami is not that high. During the high season the 744 is the one.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 2): hopefully at some point AR can add more frequencies once more long-haul planes are added to the fleet.
On a side note, Aerolíneas' 3rd Boeing 747-400, ex-Canadian Airlines, is under D-Check at AR's technical facilities in Ezeiza. The registration is still unknown, and they say it should be ready for flying between end July and early August.
Saludos,
Marambio
[Edited 2005-07-12 07:56:31]
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4092 times:
Yes! Eat that *you know what airline goes in here* LOL
Just a joke, ok? .
Great news, but, does this mean that one of the 744s will go on EZE-AKL-SYD as rumoured? Will the 742 that our austerous President leased, be freed up since the 757BBJ is up and running and go on flying some routes?
Anyway, I'd hate AR lose up the AKL-SYD route due to lack of aircraft.
Cheers!
Gastón - The MD-11 Junkie
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
Mighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 928 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
WOW! Great news! Seem that Barcelona airport finally is getting more transcontinental service. Apart from EZE, US is serving also PHL, DL, JFK and ATL, and Air Plus, Shangai (I listened that the Air Plus flight, from Shangai, would continue also to EZE. Is this true?)
ARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3985 times:
Will we ever see a EZE-CDG non stop with AR?
I know AR uses MAD as an European hub for some European destinations including CDG.
AF makes loads of money on this route with the 772. I fly this route with them twice a year and the flight is always full (I believe it has a 90% LF average)
I am sure it's a matter of equipment more than anything else.
HEGAN From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
I don't think IB will open many long range routes from BCN, as they are concentrated in MAD, operating there as a hub (which is not done in BCN), so the only chance are the foreign carriers.
In the future, I can assume also other cities (maybe for charters) such as Malaga-AGP or even Bilbao-BIO, but these possible flights will not be IB routes, as these cities would be connected to the foreign carriers' hub.
Agur,
Hegan
HEGAN: Euskadiko Aeronautikako eta Espazioko Clusterra
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3785 times:
Quoting HEGAN (Reply 11): I don't think IB will open many long range routes from BCN, as they are concentrated in MAD, operating there as a hub (which is not done in BCN), so the only chance are the foreign carriers.
I agree. Iberia concentrates long-haul flying out of Madrid.
However, I recently discovered that Iberia now flies Las Palmas-Dakar twice a week (not exactly a long-haul route, but very interesting). They've been doing this since April.
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1384 posts, RR: 16 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
Very cool new route.
I guess BCN is the largest European city with such bad trans-atlantic connections. It was about time to start direct long haul services. Kuddos for AR.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): I recently discovered that Iberia now flies Las Palmas-Dakar
I thought IB had been flying this route for years: MAD-LPA-DKR.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3719 times:
Does anyone know if Aerolineas will charter the weekly 742 to Santiago de Compostela during the summer? Would there be enough traffic to make this flight scheduled(I don't think so)?
LXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
Quoting Marambio (Thread starter): In order to maintain this schedule, the A342s will have to stop flying to some other destinations they currently serve (Miami, New York, Rome and Auckland-Sydney). I'll keep you updated regarding AR's fleet changes because of this new route.
So maybe could we see an upgrade to Rome with all 744 flights (AR flies to FCO with 1 744 and 3 A342 weekly) or an upgrade to AKL-SYD in order to have enough 342 for flights to Rome and Barcelona?
And how many 742 does AR actually have and where does AR send them?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3635 times:
Quoting Latinplane (Reply 14): Does anyone know if Aerolineas will charter the weekly 742 to Santiago de Compostela during the summer? Would there be enough traffic to make this flight scheduled(I don't think so)?
While the majority of AR's seats to SCQ are pre-sold in charter packages, AR's service to SCQ is scheduled. You can book it on any public reservation system.
KL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1573 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3630 times:
This is great news indeed.
How about extending the route to the far east like HKG, PVG or PEK?
AR has been doing really well lately. I think they should also concentrate in adding frequency by adding more longhaul aircrafts. A340's would be a good candidate in the fleet, since they already operate some of them.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15730 posts, RR: 48 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): While the majority of AR's seats to SCQ are pre-sold in charter packages, AR's service to SCQ is scheduled.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
While the majority of AR's seats to SCQ are pre-sold in charter packages, AR's service to SCQ is scheduled.
I don't see it in the schedule; when does it fly?
On Wednesdays. Most of the seats are pre-sold via charter contracts, but all leftover inventory is sold to the public.
AR 1980 EZE 1240-0457+1 SCQ 0557-0707 MAD 747 We
AR 1943 MAD 1050-1815 EZE 747 Th
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15730 posts, RR: 48 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3585 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21): On Wednesdays. Most of the seats are pre-sold via charter contracts, but all leftover inventory is sold to the public.
I meant what time of year; it's not in the July or September schedule as far as I can tell.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Quoting KL808 (Reply 19): Quoting Latinplane (Reply 14):
Does anyone know if Aerolineas will charter the weekly 742 to Santiago de Compostela during the summer? Would there be enough traffic to make this flight scheduled(I don't think so)?
While the majority of AR's seats to SCQ are pre-sold in charter packages, AR's service to SCQ is scheduled. You can book it on any public reservation system.
Thanks Mah,
Strange that Aerolineas never advertises it on its web-site. Is there a reason, anyone?
LatinPlane
25 Marambio: Good afternoon gentlemen, I highly doubt it. Air France's success on its CDG-EZE flights relies on connections. They have outstanding schedules, with
26 MAH4546: The flights may not be sold by AR, but booking AR's EZE-SCQ flight is as easy as calling up American Express travel services or my local travel agent
27 Marambio: I just called AR's call center for Argentina, at 0-810-222-VOLAR (Volar is the verb To Fly in Spanish). After some minutes waiting and listening to t
28 MAH4546: Yes, like I said, you cannot book the flight via AR. You can book it via the charter company or your local travel agent, or on your own on a public b
29 Marambio: Exactly. I believe I missed your point before, but apparently we have been saying the same for some the last posts. Saludos, Marambio
30 MaverickM11: Ah...that would be why it's not in the SSIM.
31 SQ773: I did not know this thread was already here, hence I deleted the one I started. I am so glad ! However, I wanted to mention something I never understo
32 Latinplane: Actually, I checked around and the flight is only seasonal. It only last about three months of the year and sometimes in December and on special occa
33 N77014: Did AR consider a wraparound EZE-MAD-BCN service to keep availalble aircraft for MIA, JFK, and AKL-SYD?
34 Argento: Perfect move AR!!!!Can we spect a daily service for 2006? As I can see AR need more longhaul aircraft to increase frecuencies and destinations. The A3
35 MAH4546: Yes, there are. Miami has one of the world's largest, if not largest, Argentine immigrant community centred in Little Buenos Aires, which is one of t
36 Argentina: Well, I have the answer of what AR will do with A340's to keep routes. AR1310 EZE-MIA-JFK A340 (3 times a week) AR1302 EZE-MIA A340 (2) AR1140 EZE-FCO
37 Xkorpyoh: Finally!.. BCN is my favorite european city and always wonder why they dont get more long haul flights. If ATL-BCN and PHL-BCN work, i am sure a MIA-B
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