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LTU Airbus And Olympic Aircraft Collide In JFK  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11660 times:

Following mediareports in Germany an Airbus from LTU collided with an Olympic aircraft in JFK yesterday during push-back.
It seems the Olympic aircraft did not stop as requested to let the LTU jet push back from gate and hit with his winglets the rear-section of the LTU aircraft.Both planes were unfit for flying.
This is the second incident involving an Olympic aircraft in some days.
Three days ago a L 1010 charteded by Olympic was refused take-off in France for security related issues .

[Edited 2005-07-12 07:27:21]


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Perfect timing for OA, coinciding with the absolute peak of travel to Greece.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

Ouch, that is going to hurt. LTU, being a typical leisure airline, is already pretty short on longhaul aircraft this summer, and losing one of their Airbusses for a whole day certainly had some impact on their ops. I wonder, whether they have chartered a backup at short notice to get those passenegrs (plus the one from the following day) back to DUS.

BTW the LT A330-200 only had a seat load factor of 65% - even considering that more passengers are currently flying outbound DUS than inbound due to the start of the summer school holidays just recently, this is certainly below the target value LTU has intended - irregardless of the yield and the cargo colume, which we don't know.



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Following mediareports in Germany an Airbus from LTU collided with an Olympic aircraft in JFK yesterday during push-back.

According to the FAA, the LTU A330 experienced brake problems while taxiing to take-off.
The Olympic Aw. A340 which was following, was allowed to overtake it.
In the manoeuvre, the A340 stuck the rear stabilizer of the A330.
Damages reported unknown.


User currently offlineJFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

Olympic ran into LTU while taxing getting ready for takeoff. No push back crews were involved since LTU is out of the IAT and Olympic is from T1.

User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10334 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 1):
Perfect timing for OA, coinciding with the absolute peak of travel to Greece.

Lets hope the aircraft isnt out of service for too long...



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User currently offlineRossyboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9817 times:

Does anyone know what happened with the L-1011 three days ago? What airline, aircraft registration e.t.c. was it?

User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Only Olympic  Silly

OA charted an L1011? Interesting. Any ideas on the reg?

-SA006



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

Well here you have a picture of the jet returning to paris on two engines...
http://flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=357523



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User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

What a great pic, thanks Beaucaire !!!


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Where at JFK are the planes being kept now?

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3216 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Does this really surprise anybody out of Olympic?

I mean that has got to be the worst run carrier in europe.
Just another saga in a long history of them.

Really they are disgrace to greece.
When are they ever going to get their act togther?


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

What do you mean Lufthansa ?

They might be pretty poor as a company (they are), but as far as flight deck, flight operations and maintenance are concerned they have outstanding records.
Give OA credit where it is due.


User currently offlineAC777233LR From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 11):
Does this really surprise anybody out of Olympic?

I mean that has got to be the worst run carrier in europe.
Just another saga in a long history of them.

Really they are disgrace to greece.
When are they ever going to get their act togther?

While Olympic is certainly not up to BA level of service, I find it to be a good experience flying them and I've found their crews have met or exceeded my expectations, sometimes the food sucks but that goes for all airlines I've flown.

Mabe I'm coming at it from the perspective of a guy used to flying on lousy North American carriers but I've found Olympic's product perfectly acceptible and the prices are better than all but the charter cattle cars if you want to get to Greece. I truly hope they get over their troubles and emerge a stronger airline.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3216 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Well as you just admitted, they're poorly run.

So poorly run.... that everybody is waiting for something
stupid to happen. Yes...it is never a serious accident.... but always
something stupid which either costs people a lot of money or time.

They probably shouldn't even be in business...but then again...there
are Airlines in the USA and Canada that probably should have folded also,
had they not had courts protecting them.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 8):
Well here you have a picture of the jet returning to paris on two engines...

Notice how much rudder they're using to compensate for the down engine!

What nation's flag is that on the tail? UAE?



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7175 times:

does anyone know the reg of the a330?

User currently offlineC172heavy From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

This occurred on the 11th of this month? Anyone know what time it happened?


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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Yes, that is the UAE flag on the tail.

User currently offlineOlympic707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5665 times:

Quote:
They might be pretty poor as a company (they are), but as far as flight deck, flight operations and maintenance are concerned they have outstanding records.
Give OA credit where it is due.

I agree with Iakobos 100%. OA's safety record is the thing people forget about OA.
OA's economy / coach class is one of the roomiest around.  bigthumbsup 

Yanni



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User currently offlineOlympicbis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

It is one thing to blame Olympic for its more than inconsistent service, it is another to start suggesting that they are not safe. Their safety record is outstanding. There are few airlines I would trust as much as Olympic when it comes to maintenance level as well as the superior quality of their flight crews ( I did not say cabin crews...)

User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 11):
I mean that has got to be the worst run carrier in europe.
Just another saga in a long history of them.

I don't want to continue the OA bashing, but I flew them for the first time last weekend, CAI-ATH-CAI, and I was pretty underwhelmed. One flight was 30 minutes late, the other 90 minutes late - to wait for connecting pax who were also late. These connecting pax delayed four flights out of ATH. Also, the check-in lines in ATH were chaotic, you had to push your way to the front, seemed disorganized.

The actual on-flight service was fine, though, and the food was decent. However - no OA magazines in coach? Even Yemenia has magazines in coach!


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 16):
does anyone know the reg of the a330?

Unfortunately I don't.
The FAA is referring to the flight numbers, LTU1551 for the A330 and OA412 for the A340.
If anybody has access to JFK flight movements on July 9th, 2004, that may help.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7162 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting Olympicbis (Reply 20):
It is one thing to blame Olympic for its more than inconsistent service

I'm currently in Athens, having flown down with OA from Heathrow on Monday.

Rather than a nice A340, we were hurded onto a seriously clapped out Air Finland 752, complete with 219 seats, 28'' leg room, no hot food, no bar and no service, oh and free seating onboard.

It was a complete disaster. I'm not looking forward to my return flight tomorrow evening (scheduled to be an A300, but who knows).

I understand that two OA long haul aircraft are now out of service.. is this correct?



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User currently offlineJFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

THe Olympic returned to the gate and had the right winglet removed. Around midnight or so it proceeded to ATH. The LTU left JFK yesterday after being checked out and repairs were made.

25 Meridian : Just booked my first flight with Olympic to Athens in September. Should be an A340 out from LHR. Looking forward to flying with them and visiting Gree
26 WesternA318 : I'd take the flight just to be on the tristar again! I havent been on one since my days at good ol' TWA
27 Post contains images Meridian : Fair enough but look at the one in that photo!!!
28 BestWestern : France grounds Olympic-chartered L-1011 "French air accident investigation bureau BEA has opened an investigation into the incident. The French trans
29 Post contains images Andie007 : The LTU jet is back in service. Arrived this morning from JFL at DUS (Now on the way to Calgary )
30 CactusTECH : LTU was down for 4 days in JFK while they changed the left elevator. Olympic had its left winglet removed and went back on service 3 hours later. What
31 Breiz : Can you guys tell us which LTU A330 and which OA A340 were involved? Either by reg or c/n. Thanks in advance.
32 Frankm : Hello, the regs of the two planes involved in the incident are D-ALPE and SX-DFD. Regards, Frank
33 Breiz : Frank, Vielen Dank! Breiz
34 AMSSFO : It seems that OA is taking the route of Onur Air, leasing lousy Tristars. This A6-BSM was with Star Air Jordan as 9L-LED until very recently. One of i
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