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JetBlue Airways To Start Up In Newark  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26165 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12779 times:

Beginning Oct. 5, JetBlue will introduce up to 15 daily non-stop flights from Newark Airport's Terminal A to Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, Tampa, West Palm Beach and Fort Myers. Once-a-day service to San Juan is scheduled to begin Nov. 17.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....news-1/1121146674286360.xml&coll=1

[Edited 2005-07-12 11:45:31]


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

I cant open the link, but I have no reason to believe that this news is not true. A couple of comments:

1. Its funny, we have been speculating for so long about which city JetBlue will serve next, and they end up in their own back yard: EWR. It makes sense, I think, Jetblue has become quite popular in the NYC area with all types of travellers and the NYC-Florida routes are the backbone of the airline, why not capitalize on this and start service at EWR.

2. CO cant be happy about this, but CO will certainly hold its ground on the EWR-Florida routes and not make life very easy for JetBlue. When JetBlue opened at JFK, the domestic market was wide-open, but things are different at EWR which is a CO strong-hold. CO is a good airline with a good product and a loyal following in the NYC (especially NJ) area and I would not expect pax to quickly dump CO in favor of JetBlue. The two airlines will compete strongly - but I think that many of the pax that end up on JetBlue would have flown with them anyway from LGA or JFK, EWR will be a new option for them.

3. I guess we should not look for Song to return to EWR anytime soon - nothing against the Song product, but with CO and JetBlue at EWR, why would they go back?

4. If JetBlue does its normal thing, I would guess of the 15 flights, 1 will be SJU as pointed out, about 7 will fly EWR-FLL, and the remaining 7 will be divided among the other cities. With Jetblue putting so much new capacity into the EWR-Florida markets (not to mention LGA-FLL opening last year), it will have some impact over at JFK.....but maybe that is the idea, space is tight over at JFK, and maybe some JFK-Florida flights can be cut so that some new routes can be opened out of JetBlue's homebase at JFK.

5. Will JetBlue's operations at EWR be further developed with more routes added, or will the EWR operation be a niche to take advantage of the huge NYC-Florida market - thats the big question. The answer, of course, depends on the success of the initial routes......as I said before, CO is not going to make it easy for JetBlue, I predict that JetBlue will stick with EWR-FLorida and while some flights will be added, JFK will remain JetBLues primary NYC airport with LGA and EWR offering some choice to pax on the Florida routes.

6. Will the E190s fly some of the new EWR-Florida routes?

7. Its going to be interesting to see what happens at FLL - JetBLue is already very short on space at FLL with 2 gates in one concourse and 1 gate in the other concourse of the new terminal building - where are they going to put another 6 to 8 flights per day? Unless, of course, its not an issue, if some JFK-FLL flights (and there can be up to 20 per day) are cut to allow for the new service to EWR.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12689 times:

Wow, interesting news. EWR is a very busy airport for them to setup shop at. I'm guessing this will be similiar to their operation at LGA--Not meant as a central base like JFK but to add an alternative to JFK that will bring more traffic. They won't be operating EWR-SLC for example. EWR will be primarily for Florida traffic, which there is plenty of.

User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12665 times:

Where is JetBlue going to operate 15 flights a day out of
Terminal A at EWR? It's pretty tight already, they must
need 2 gates? or maybe 1 and share another one?
Is the PANYNJ taking it from Continental in A?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12660 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
2. CO cant be happy about this, but CO will certainly hold its ground on the EWR-Florida routes and not make life very easy for JetBlue. When JetBlue opened at JFK, the domestic market was wide-open, but things are different at EWR which is a CO strong-hold. CO is a good airline with a good product and a loyal following in the NYC (especially NJ) area and I would not expect pax to quickly dump CO in favor of JetBlue.

CO does have a very loyal following at EWR, but the whole point of a LCC is to stimulate previously non-existant demand, something they've done well at JFK. With EWR-Florida flights, they won't have to (nor will they) steal CO's premium pax.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
The two airlines will compete strongly - but I think that many of the pax that end up on JetBlue would have flown with them anyway from LGA or JFK, EWR will be a new option for them.

Hmmm, I wonder about that. If I lived in NJ and found a cheap flight out to LGB or SEA on B6, I'd take the drive but for Florida flights there are many options in that area, not to mention WN in PHI. Perhaps it will give another option to Manhattan passengers who could now choose between JFK,LGA, and EWR.....

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
. If JetBlue does its normal thing, I would guess of the 15 flights, 1 will be SJU as pointed out, about 7 will fly EWR-FLL, and the remaining 7 will be divided among the other cities.

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Agreed. The majority of flights will be EWR-FLL probably.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
With Jetblue putting so much new capacity into the EWR-Florida markets (not to mention LGA-FLL opening last year), it will have some impact over at JFK.....but maybe that is the idea, space is tight over at JFK, and maybe some JFK-Florida flights can be cut so that some new routes can be opened out of JetBlue's homebase at JFK.

I don't think it will affect JFK. JFK and LGA split the FLL operation fairly well, with 7X LGA-FLL and 11X JFK-FLL this winter. Perhaps they'll cut 1 or 2 JFK-FLL but a large reduction is unlikely since as you mentioned, JFK-FLL is their backbone.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
. Will JetBlue's operations at EWR be further developed with more routes added, or will the EWR operation be a niche to take advantage of the huge NYC-Florida market - thats the big question. The answer, of course, depends on the success of the initial routes......as I said before, CO is not going to make it easy for JetBlue, I predict that JetBlue will stick with EWR-FLorida and while some flights will be added, JFK will remain JetBLues primary NYC airport with LGA and EWR offering some choice to pax on the Florida routes

Well, if B6 were interested in developing non-JFK NYC airports, they would expand more at LGA before opening a new station at EWR. I would bet they are just tapping into their core market at another NYC airport...Any new non-Florida routes will be out of JFK.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26165 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12559 times:

The planned route break down is as follows;

EWR-FLL>5
EWR-MCO>5
EWR-PBI>2
EWR-TPA>2
EWR-RSW>1
EWR-SJU>1



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12519 times:

here's the press release:

http://www.jetblue.com/learnmore/pressDetail.asp?newsId=330


User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

This is great news!!

I hope that LGB, OAK, and NAS follow soon!

Congrats B6!


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

So I guess it wasn't MIA.. interesting..

so the next new city won't be announced till next year? Wasn't the rumor that there would be one more city .. ie EWR? Onward to 2006 new city guesses...



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12492 times:

BTW.. here is more jetBlue news from USAToday

JetBlue will have seven of the Brazilian-made Embraers in service by the end of the year, and 43 by the end of 2007, giving the No. 2 U.S. airline by market value a second equipment type alongside its larger Airbus 320 jets.

"The 100-seater allows you economics where you can get some low fares out there," JetBlue founder and Chief Executive David Neeleman told Reuters in an interview last week. "They're going to be everywhere."

The airline may serve destinations like Raleigh and Greensboro in North Carolina and Richmond, Virginia — cities now serviced by less-comfortable 50-seat regional jets with walk-up fares of up to $700, he said.

Neeleman said JetBlue would offer fares about one third of that price.

"You've got to be pretty excited about that," he said.

Flights linking New York and Boston are also a possibility, especially with the recent brake problems experienced by Amtrak's high-speed Acela trains, Neeleman said.


So perhaps the E90 will fill in the gaps between the NorthEast and Florida first after all.. or perhaps it's just PR hoopla!



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12426 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
So I guess it wasn't MIA.. interesting..

MIA is supposed to be announced in September. The launch for MIA is tentatively set for January 2006.



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User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12396 times:

3:15 AM arrival in San Juan? Ouch!

Seriously, very interesting expansion and it will be great to have more choices to florida in the fall and winter.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 10):
MIA is supposed to be announced in September. The launch for MIA is tentatively set for January 2006.

So is MIA still set to be launch with 10 city pairs or 10 flights or something like that..?



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12333 times:

MIA is supposed to be announced in September. The launch for MIA is tentatively set for January 2006.

With flights to where?

Anybody know which 2 gates B6 will use at EWR?


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

JETBLUE PLANS TO SERVE NEWARK LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT



-- New York City’s Largest Domestic Airline to Launch with six Destinations, offering up to 16 Daily Departures to Florida and Puerto Rico with Introductory fares starting from $69* each way --





New York, NY (July 12, 2005) – JetBlue Airways, [NASDAQ: JBLU] New York City’s largest domestic airline, today announced that it plans to commence new service from Newark Liberty International Airport beginning October 5, with introductory fares starting from $69* each way.



JetBlue plans to begin service to Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, West Palm Beach, Tampa, and Fort Myers, FL, in October, and to add daily nonstop service between Newark and San Juan, Puerto Rico, starting November 17. The low-fare carrier expects to operate all flights from Terminal A.



To launch this new service, JetBlue will offer introductory sale fares between Newark and Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, West Palm Beach, Tampa or Fort Myers, FL, starting from $69* each way and between Newark and San Juan starting from $99* each way. Sale fares must be purchased by July 26 for travel through December 14, 2005. Seats are limited and customers are encouraged to book early. Blackouts dates of November 22 through November 28 will apply to all introductory sale fares.



JetBlue’s regular one-way fares between Newark and Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, West Palm Beach, Tampa and Fort Myers, FL, will range from $89* to $259* each way and regular one-way fares between Newark and San Juan will range from $124* to $299* each way, when booked at www.jetblue.com or by calling 1-800-JETBLUE.



New Jersey Acting Governor Richard J. Codey said, "New Jersey welcomes JetBlue to Newark International Airport, one of the nation's premier facilities. JetBlue's arrival means more flights, more flexibility and more competition for the millions drawn to the convenience of Newark International Airport."



“As highlighted in our 10-year strategic plan, the Port Authority considers the expansion of air travel an essential element to increasing the economic strength of our region. The arrival of JetBlue Airways at Newark Liberty International Airport advances this objective by enabling New Jersey residents to benefit from additional high-quality service at one of the nation’s finest aviation facilities,” said Port Authority Chairman Anthony R. Coscia.



“JetBlue plans to liberate Newark this fall with low-fares and award-winning service,” said David Neeleman, JetBlue’s CEO. “We’ve been hearing from customers just how much they wanted JetBlue to come to Newark. With the addition of Newark to the family this fall, JetBlue will offer 77 daily flights to Florida - the most between the greater New York metropolitan area and Florida of any airline. Now that’s a convenient schedule!”



JetBlue’s flight schedules from Newark Liberty will be:

Newark (EWR) to Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL)
Fort Lauderdale to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

6:25am – 9:30am
6:45am – 9:40am (eff. 10/6/05)

10:20am – 1:35pm
10:10am – 1:00pm

1:40pm – 4:35pm
1:25pm – 4:30pm

5:10pm – 8:30pm
5:15pm – 8:25pm

9:05pm – 11:59pm
9:10pm – 11:59pm




Newark (EWR) to Orlando, FL (MCO)
Orlando to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

7:25am – 10:10am
8:00am – 10:40am

11:20am – 2:15pm
11:25am – 2:05pm

3:15pm – 6:05pm
3:10pm – 6:00pm

6:40pm – 9:35pm
6:45pm – 9:40pm

9:15pm – 11:45pm (eff. 11/22/05)
9:55pm – 12:05am (eff. 11/22/05)




Newark (EWR) to West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
West Palm Beach to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

7:55am – 10:45am (eff. 10/19/05)
11:25am – 2:10pm (eff. 10/19/05)

5:50pm – 8:40pm (eff. 11/1/05)
2:15pm – 5:10pm (eff. 11/1/05)




Newark (EWR) to Tampa, FL (TPA)
Tampa to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

10:30am – 1:10pm (eff. 10/19/05)
6:55am – 9:50am (eff. 10/19/05)

6:40pm – 9:35pm (eff. 10/19/05)
3:10pm – 6:00pm (eff. 10/19/05)




Newark (EWR) to Fort Myers, FL (RSW)
Fort Myers to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

1:50pm – 4:50pm (eff. 10/19/05)
5:30pm – 8:25pm (eff. 10/19/05)




Newark (EWR) to San Juan, PR (SJU)
San Juan to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

10:35pm – 3:15am (eff. 11/17/05)
4:10am – 7:00am (eff. 11/18/05)






JetBlue is a low-fare, low-cost passenger airline, which provides high-quality customer service. JetBlue operates a fleet of 77 new Airbus A320 aircraft and plans to add seven additional A320s and seven Embraer E190s to its fleet in 2005. Based at New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport, JetBlue currently operates 314 flights a day and serves 32 destinations in 13 states, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic and The Bahamas.



All JetBlue aircraft feature roomy leather seats; all equipped with an in-seat digital entertainment system offering 36 channels of free DIRECTV(r) programming - no other airline offers more live satellite TV options. On flights longer than two hours, a selection of first-run movies and bonus features from FOX InFlight is also available.**



With JetBlue, all seats are assigned, all travel is ticketless, all fares are one-way, and an overnight stay is never required. For more information, schedules and fares, please visit www.jetblue.com or call JetBlue reservations at 1-800-JETBLUE (538-2583), 1-888-538-2583 if calling from Puerto Rico, or 1-200-9898 if calling from the Dominican Republic. This press release, as well as past press releases, can be found on www.jetblue.com.



A319 A320 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 C152 C172 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 PA28 | B6 CO DL FL NK NW LO TW
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12251 times:

I'm not surprised that they are announcing Newark. This has been expected. However, I am surprised they are doing more than just EWR-FLL. They may have a tough time on the non-SFL routes, because Continental and others are better posed to keep market share, whereareas they have such strong client bases in NYC and SFL, that the FLL and PBI flights should do fine.

Wonder how long until Song is flying to EWR again.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
So is MIA still set to be launch with 10 city pairs or 10 flights or something like that..?

Yes, MIA is tentatively set for a January 2006 launch date with flights to New York City and Boston, and probably Dulles and Long Beach. They will be using Concourse F at MIA, and it will be ten daily flights at first. With the Newark announcement, MIA-EWR is probably likely as well.



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User currently offlineDallas74 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12182 times:

I like JetBlue, but I am concerned about their city selections. They continue to add delay prone cities to the mix (LGA / EWR) which will take their toll on customer satisfaction and aircraft utilization. Given the fact DFW is begging for an LCC to start up there to fill the DL void I think there are better cities to focus on other than EWR.

This is the first time JBLU is going to compete against an airline with a clue. They took over JFK as AA and DL watched and then took FLL from DL and U in short order. Continental (like Northwest) likes their hubs just the way they are. This should be interesting.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12120 times:

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 16):
I like JetBlue, but I am concerned about their city selections. They continue to add delay prone cities to the mix (LGA / EWR) which will take their toll on customer satisfaction and aircraft utilization. Given the fact DFW is begging for an LCC to start up there to fill the DL void I think there are better cities to focus on other than EWR.

This is the first time JBLU is going to compete against an airline with a clue. They took over JFK as AA and DL watched and then took FLL from DL and U in short order. Continental (like Northwest) likes their hubs just the way they are. This should be interesting.

You imply that CO will protect their EWR operation and EWR isn't the best idea for jetBlue (despite the fact there is no new customer base to create and only minimal advertising expenses), and then you go on to say that jetBlue should fly to Dallas? Are you forgetting about AA?



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User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12090 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 3):
Is the PANYNJ taking it from Continental in A?

Continental is expanding its operation out of A-2, recently acquiring two more gates. They currently use 21-22-24-25-26a-26b-27-28. Flying to Washington DC airports, Chicago airports, Atlanta, Dallas, Seattle(air Alaska).
So I can say for certain that the PA won't be taking anything away from CO. Jet Blue will probably work out of terminal A-1 or A-3.

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 14):
New Jersey Acting Governor Richard J. Codey

OH GOD NOW HE THINKS HE'S AN ACTOR.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12063 times:

Very interesting move. I have a lot of friends in northern New Jersey, and several of them have mentioned that they wished B6 served EWR.

CO should be able to handle the competition pretty well, although they could see a little erosion in yield, especially if B6 adds more flights to TPA later and eventually starts service to SRQ. (At the fares they charge, EWR-SRQ has to be a gold mine for CO.)

If anyone is going to get hurt by this, it'll be AirTran - all other things being equal, non-stop service to Florida is more attractive then connecting at ATL. But I don't see any significant impact to FL - there's plenty of Florida business to go around.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12025 times:

Well so much for Song promoting itself as flying from all the major NY airports, how soon before they are back in EWR!


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11950 times:

Hmmmm, I've been going through the proposed EWR schedule and there seems to be a problem....

There are flights that arrive at 1:00(FLL), 2;05(MCO), and 2:10 PM (PBI). There are flights leaving at 1:40 (to FLL), 1:50 (RSW), and 3:15 (MCO). I don't see where the aircraft arrives from that turns and operates the 1:50 RSW flight. It seems like every flight before it is matched with another one....Could somebody explain this to me?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11939 times:

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 14):
Newark (EWR) to San Juan, PR (SJU)
San Juan to Newark

Depart - Arrive
Depart - Arrive

10:35pm – 3:15am (eff. 11/17/05)
4:10am – 7:00am (eff. 11/18/05)

I would imagine they got the AM/PM swapped on this one.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5725 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

I dunno about anyone else, but my loyalty rests with CO/F9. I live in Queens and still would rather fly out of EWR on CO than JFK on anyone else. I know it sounds nutz, but I would rather pay the $450-$500 for my domestic flights on CO, just because I think it's worth it.


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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11913 times:

I think they are smart to concentrate on their NY home turf since the awareness is certainly huge and since they only book thru their website, the thinner the markets they enter into , say, the Midwest, the harder time they are going to have in exposing their services.

25 Phatfarmlines : Maybe there's going to be a schedule change coming in October for JFK and BOS? Nope, these are actual red-eye flights. Check the B6 website, the time
26 STT757 : Briefly from the Star Ledger article (Im at a computer right now where I can't cut and paste); All A320 flights These are the extent of their plans fo
27 Dallas74 : I didn't forget AA. The case in DFW is much different than EWR. The DFW airport authority is actively soliciting and encouraging new entrants (includ
28 RJpieces : Maybe there's going to be a schedule change coming in October for JFK and BOS? Perhaps, but that wouldn't change the EWR aircraft situation...... I tr
29 COEWR : I grew up 20 miles west of EWR. It took me about 30 mins to get there from my house. JFK is another 2 hours past that. So you say you would rather ta
30 N77014 : Some points here: *Yields in the EWR-Florida markets are already rock bottom for CO. B6 flooding the market with more flights can't help. Unlike Sprit
31 MAH4546 : I would be surprised if they go past Florida and Puerto Rico. In fact, the original plan for Newark was seven daily flights to FLL and nothing more.
32 Phatfarmlines : In addition, B6 is starting EWR with an agreesive flight schedule and ASMs. I don't think Kiwi, Carnival, or any other small carrier that operated EW
33 N77014 : It would be low risk to expand beyond Florida: *B6 is a known player in the market; customers in EWR see their advertising and have probably flown the
34 Post contains images MAH4546 : Like ATA?
35 Padcrasher : So if JB's plans for MIA will be as big as BOS (200 flights), (i think I read that), then what is AA going to do? Sit back and watch? Or are all thes
36 Lightsaber : Interesting. I was wondering if B6 would focus more on Boston and "point to point" on the east coast... I could see Stewart. Islip I'm 50/50 on. Why?
37 N77014 : Poor analogy. TZ never offered anything to make a legacy carrier flier want to jump ship. B6 does.
38 LTBEWR : Whoopee!!! An airline that will serve FLA with style and reasonable fares out of my hometown area airport, EWR. I avoid JFK and LGA like the plague as
39 MAH4546 : jetBlue's plans for Boston are more like 50-60 daily flights, or at least that is what I thought. I should have been more clear with what I said thou
40 Carfield : Wow, what a surprise! Of course, I can't resist booking the first flight arriving into Newark... So I will be on MCO-EWR 8am flight... hopefully I can
41 FLAIRPORT : NO NO NO! Where is BDL in this? Come on B6, BDL...perfect...I have to fly song now and I want my B6 fix! Wow...hold on...reading that...jetBlue is go
42 RJpieces : I grew up 20 miles west of EWR. It took me about 30 mins to get there from my house. JFK is another 2 hours past that. So you say you would rather tak
43 JBLUA320 : GREAT news! I've been waiting for this!! JBLU
44 Dutchjet : I really dont think so, HPN is a very expensive airport to operate out of and caters almost exclusively to high fare business travellers......but I c
45 Cory6188 : I wonder how much of a bloodbath this is going to turn into... CO isn't a poorly-run airline by any means, and knowing how they responded to TZ starti
46 Post contains images FLAIRPORT : And with it being a CO hub, they make all the money back on connecting passengers...HAHAHAHA
47 RAMPRAT980 : Its human nature to shop around for the lowest fare. What gets me are those who will fly on a airline just because they saved five or ten dollars onl
48 Cory6188 : B6 by a long shot - their general policy is not to overbook flights. However, that's not really a deciding factor for most people when it comes to boo
49 MAH4546 : jetBlue never asked for more than 14 slots at LGA. They got all 14 of them to operate FLL-LGA. In fact, originally they only wanted 10 slots. (1 slot
50 FLAIRPORT : $215.40 R/T on CO EWR-FLL OCT 5 compared to $155.40 on B6...so no retaliation yet.
51 FLAIRPORT : Well, they seem to have enough planes for EWR? They could have taken all of this down to MIA instead, easily. Like I said...the fares there won't cha
52 RAMPRAT980 : CO has until JBLU starts at EWR until lowering fares
53 MAH4546 : So? They can't start them at the same time. EWR first, MIA second. True, but they still don't overbook flights.
54 Dutchjet : I really dont see a CO/JetBlue bloodbath developing - both are well established in the NYC area and have competed on the always highly competitve NYC-
55 RJpieces : I think that JetBlue would be pleased to take the pressure off of JFK and move some Florida capacity out of that airport so that new destinations can
56 Dutchjet : While JetBlue is not at capacity at JFK, there are limitations until the new terminal facilities are completed.......I do not think that JetBlue woul
57 JBLUA320 : Continental is smart enough to know that they need not lower their fares much on this route. jetBlue is essentially pulling an Independence Air here.
58 RJpieces : (I think one of the biggest O&D markets in the world The biggest as far as I know.
59 Ewrw4co : Currently CO uses PA Gates A21,A22. After HP vacates A23 and ATA vacates A20, these will be CO permanent gates. I do believe PA will be leasing A21 a
60 Nycfuturepilot : Just looked up fares to fly EWR- FLL or PBI over christmas, insanely expensive, $259 each way!
61 JBLUA320 : Its initial X-mas demand-- the cost will come down, but Continental's fare isn't much lower! JBLU
62 Jetblue15 : Its like I said all along. Newark NOT MIA would be the next city. Well now I get to get the hell out of JFK and transfer to Newark. Thank God.
63 RJpieces : I asked this earlier, but has anybody looked closely at the EWR schedule? There is definitly a gap in there and I don't know where the aircraft will c
64 Sllevin : I've got to disagree. CO saw AA get smacked around at JFK and isn't listening to the same music. Look what happened when ATA got into EWR-SFO. I expe
65 Trey : am i nuts or does anyone think a MIA-MSY would be good? AA has 3 daily, and SWA to FLL, but never know, a couple a day i think would be good? maybe?
66 Armada : I think people around here are putting way too much stock in the FLL bad press hurting airlines there.
67 Avek00 : THE WAR ON JETBLUE TERRORISM HAS BEGUN! The Most Wonderful Continental Airlines, under the Stewardship of Dear Leader & Lodestar of the Airline Indust
68 Cory6188 : That's definitely one of the more complex pieces of sarcasm I've read here on a.net...
69 STT757 : This is not a surprise to the CO folks, they have been expecting this hence the additional Terminal A gates. They are going to compete with their 757-
70 EADC8 : About two months ago, United announced that they were giving up three gates at EWR. B6 will probably have access to all three.
71 Post contains links COEWRNJ : Well here is CO's response. http://prnewswire.com/news/index_mai...story/07-12-2005/0004066214&EDATE=
72 Cory6188 : I was right...it only took about 12 hours before CO said they would add flights and drop fares...
73 Padcrasher : That's sort of underwhelming unless they plan to add gauge a well.
74 Avek00 : You can definitely expect some upgauging to 757s and even 767s as we get into the fall and winter months.
75 Njdevilsin03 : Wish they would bring the 762's back to FLL. FLL was where the aircraft did their prooving runs. The only way they'd be back if the DC10's were still
76 Dutchjet : Well, CO certainly did not waste any time responding, several additional frequencies especially on EWR-FLL and they have matched the fares. Its gonna
77 MAH4546 : Good luck, it's not going to do much, at least not in the FLL-EWR market.
78 Njdevilsin03 : Now you wanna talk bout a crowded concourse... 9 gates With about 15 daily CO flights....80 Gulfstream flights. 40 jetblue flights and a handful of No
79 Crogalski : just like how delta flies from TPA to ATL in a 767
80 Flightopsguy : Well, the departures over WHITE AND WAVEY will be about 2 hour delays now. Harder to get out to A761 from EWR also. Word around our shop is that JBU h
81 Njdevilsin03 : Delta flies everything between FLorida and Atlanta because they have so many 767's they don't know what to do with them. I have to admit I believe Co
82 Crogalski : wouldn't DL be losing money for using a 767 on a route like that, I'm sure not all seats are full...
83 Dutchjet : This is really not true, DL knows exactly what to do with its 767s......DL uses lots of 767s on the ATL-FLorida routes because they need the seats -
84 Padcrasher : I think the point is Delta flies 140 widebody flights a day to Florida and has not managed to dislodge Airtran.
85 Dutchjet : Dont be so sure.
86 MAH4546 : Clearly you haven't flown Delta between Atlanta and Florida. I have never been on an empty MIA-ATL or FLL-ATL flight on Delta. Every single one has b
87 Padcrasher : Actually 140 widebody flights in and out of FL is too high nowadays with the latest route restructuring but you get the idea.
88 Avek00 : Continental ain't Delta - when TZ tried to fly EWR-SFO, all hell broke loose and TZ was run off the route in no time. Ditto for Kiwi, Pan Am III, and
89 Padcrasher : EWR has some of the fattest yields in the country. DL out yields and out load factors CO in the ATL-EWR market. And most importantly, Jetblue ain't AT
90 B6FA4ever : its actually pretty impressive how many flights CO is adding. i've been hearing through the rumor mill about EWR coming online at B6 and then today h
91 Post contains images Lightsaber : Ok, I know CO will respond, but if they pull a 777 off the much more profitable trans-ocean routes... Sell the stock! The lower fares just drove up m
92 Padcrasher : I really dont see what's so impressive about 8 flights from one of the World's largest airlines in their most important hub. I think the poster above
93 N62NA : Maybe I'm being dense, but I don't understand what you are saying here, FLAirport. Are you referring to gates at EWR, because there aren't any of the
94 Dutchjet : Those are the JetBlue gates at FLL.
95 N62NA : Got it, thanks Dutchjet!
96 WidgetBoi : i'm pretty sure he was referring to jetblue's fll gates.
97 STT757 : I thought it was two.
98 Post contains links TOLtommy : Oops... looks like CO knows they can't charge a premium of flights from EWR to Florida anymore... http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050712/datu043.html?.v=1
99 FA4B6 : I think when the 190s come, these two routes will be more likely.
100 FA4B6 : That's exactly how I feel! I wonder if B6 will take one or two frequencies from JFK-LGB and send them to EWR. Maybe EWR-BUR is next?? That'd be aweso
101 MAH4546 : At least Continental still has a month left to charge the high fares at MIA.
102 Dutchjet : CO's lowest fare in most of the EWR-Florida markets was $89....now its $69. Twenty bucks is twenty bucks, but its not as if CO was so out of line befo
103 STT757 : What's up with MIA, B6 about to announce?..
104 FA4B6 : according to his "sources"
105 Post contains images B6FA4ever : well that would be pretty cool for us LGB based F/A's to have to have a different route to work! but EWR-BUR!? i HIGHLY doubt it. we're already payin
106 WDBRR : I laughed so hard over this one, it references the Ideology and talk that North Korea uses. VERY CREATIVE.
107 JBLUA320 : Avek... it's really getting old. You've stated your point... how about you stop wasting bandwidth? As far as pulling a 777 off EWR-IAH? Fat chance...
108 Avek00 : The notion that DH is doing "just fine" is an insult to both my intelligence and yours, with all due respect.
109 TommyBoy : GEEZ! Please tell me, with these new routes, they're going to fix that bush league route map on their website...puh-LEEZ!!! They can't fit anymore lin
110 Tpaewr : Avek.....North Korean humor never gets old!! Carry on carry on!
111 Padcrasher : I don't know what CO will do in the long run, but they could get nasty with Jetblue. Trash ROC, SYR, BUF, BTV - Florida routes. Put in a EWR-FLL shutt
112 FA4B6 : Go to jetblue.com and go to Speak Up and TELL THEM!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
113 JBLUA320 : Avek- I'm talking specifically on the EWR-IAD route, not DH as a whole. Although things ARE improving at DH and nobody can deny that- statistics prove
114 Post contains images FLAIRPORT : USA3000 is quite amazing...they are flying "under the radar" and making quite a profit...wonder what will happen with B6 in the mix though. wow...FLL
115 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Well I am glad they announced EWR. They really are NYC's hometown airline. Finally all 3 airports covered. FLL probably can handle it though things ar
116 Fleet Service : I live in Queens, and Hell will be hosting the 2008 Winter Olympiad before I'll travel all the way to Jersey and pay a premium for the honor... I liv
117 SHUPirate1 : Perhaps I should ask when the IOC approved a 2008 Winter Olympics? As far as I know, the 2006 Games are in Turin, Italy, and the 2010 Games in Vancou
118 Post contains links Mariner : Really? http://www.applevacations.com/aboutus.do?command=showPartners I thought Apple owned USA 3000. They started the airline. You have a link? USA
119 DB777 : I would venture to say that the Mayor of Broward County and Commissioner Rodstrom (anti-airport growth) on the Broward Commission are going to really
120 JBLUA320 : Mariner- Apple does own them. But they have drastically reduced the amount of seats they actually use on their own planes in favor of scheduled servic
121 Mariner : Now I am intrigued. Why would they do that? if you own an airline, it has to be cheaper using that airline than buying seats on another carrier. Or n
122 Avek00 : ...the same route where DH had to slash service by 50% over the past few months?
123 VEEREF : Ouch is right.... But you can bet that thing will be full every night! Imagine trying to get some shuteye on that flight!
124 COEWR2587 : Why does JetBlue always seem to make some routes with crazy schedules? Like EWR-SJU departing 10:30 pm and arriving at 3:15 am. And SJU-EWR departing
125 FA4B6 : It's called aircraft utilization. By sending the plane out it avoids the plane from sitting idle, it keeps the plane flying, and because JetBlue's co
126 N77014 : Well considering what a pain in the ass it can be driving out of San Juan to the hinterlands, these time could be useful. And likely SJU is more leis
127 Richierich : This is the most idiotic post I have ever read, end of story.
128 Richierich : I'll be honest - this is a horrible flight time and one you would never see me on. However, this is clearly using an aircraft that otherwise would be
129 B6FA4ever : as FA4B6 mentioned...those REALLY late night flights from JFK to Puerto Rico and STI are FULL. and the same goes for those EARLY A$$ flights heading b
130 Luv2fly : The flights to and from FL are sold as scheduled air and little or no packaging is done for these by Apple, mainly they do these to keep the planes e
131 DCA-ROCguy : Richierich, I think the post you're referring to is a joke. A bold move for JetBlue, but one that seems to fit with their development so far. Entering
132 Cory6188 : I hope you do realize he was joking, and I think he did a pretty good job at that...
133 RJpieces : I wouldn't be surprised to see B6 launch another overnight flight to Ponce, Aguadilla, or Santiago....WidgetBoi and I made a schedule of their EWR fli
134 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I think they problem with ATL was they were entering a totally new area with the closest city they served was MCO and also they started flights to LGB
135 JBLUA320 : Luv2Fly, Thanks for the source. I wasn't able to speak to my contact yet so thanks for posting that. Avek- they did slash service, but it was an overl
136 JBLUA320 : And for the final time- Delta and AirTran had VERY LITTLE to do with jetBlue's pulling out if ATL, if ANYTHING. They left ATL because they did NOT wan
137 Njdevilsin03 : So when will continental.com actually show the extra segments? Cause as of now it still shows 6 flights a day to FLL.
138 MAH4546 : FLL maybe? With the winter timetable, FLL is jetBlue's second busiest station, not to mention a crew base.
139 HighFlyer9790 : Wow! jetBlue is expanding rapidly! good for them!
140 Jetblue15 : If you offer it they will come. Thats my motto when it comes to SJU destinations. These flights are packed. It doesn't matter what time they go out an
141 FLAIRPORT : I believe B6 has like 2 gate agents, 2 ticket agents, and 2 supervisors as well as ground staff...on both of my trips to LGA I've had the same gate a
142 Jetblue15 : There is no below the wing crewmembers at LGA only above.
143 WDBRR : Seems like JetBlue will be in Concourse A2 at EWR using two gates owned by the Port Authority...surrounded by Continental on both sides. seems like a
144 FLAIRPORT : Not going to happen simply because those flights cater to connections and some of them come in from international destinations, needing customs and r
145 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : LOL, like from Blue Streak By Barbara S Peterson, it said how on Song's inaugural flight to PBI went fine and when they arrives there were workers on
146 RJpieces : Seems like JetBlue will be in Concourse A2 at EWR using two gates owned by the Port Authority...surrounded by Continental on both sides. seems like a
147 JBLUA320 : If jetBlue got A21 and A22, which it has been speculated they will get, I don't think they'd exactly be surrounded... and really... if you think Conti
148 Avpilot01 : duh? CO has already said there will be a fare sale and an increase in flights to meet the increase in demand. yup, couldn't have said it better mysel
149 WDBRR : Read somewhere about 10 years ago that an overnight Kiwi plane was vandalized inside at PBI due to a door being left "unlocked". Kiwi used to compete
150 Ikramerica : No space at BUR, and LGB is no competition to CO/AA at LAX. Not to mention the fares not being really good JFK-LGB anyway. If they lower fares to com
151 RAMPRAT980 : They're looking to see where they are going to pull planes being used in the summer schedule. Also delivery of the 757's that were originally going t
152 Cory6188 : One thing that wouldn't surprise me is if CO managed to plan banks of A-2 departures 5-10 minutes before B6's Florida departures, just to tie up the P
153 FA4B6 : There is space at BUR. We have one gate there, and only 4 flights a day. There is more then enough room to send a rotation to EWR.
154 Luvfa : When we started operations at PHL, I heard of us hiring extra security with reguards to the same thing! I'm sure B6 is taking note of this. This is a
155 WDBRR : When we started operations at PHL, I heard of us hiring extra security with reguards to the same thing! I'm sure B6 is taking note of this. This is an
156 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Yea he is, his username is LuvFA. Luv-SWA. I guess he forgot to say it but now you know, jetBlueAtJFK
157 Post contains links MAH4546 : Not worth it's own thread, but from Friday's Miami Herald: The airport has struggled for years with anemic passenger growth and a high fee structure t
158 Flyboyaz : Great news...be interested to see how CO responds.
159 Galapagapop : Well BOS will be big eventually with their terminal adding a gate retrofitted in B6 style added every 6 months till its about almost 20 gates.
160 Richierich : I agree that CO could possibly up the ante with a 753 thrown into Fla. - not so sure about a 764 or 777. If they did the latter, it would be the same
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