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NW Applies For Slew Of New Mexican Routes  
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Looks like NW applied with the DOT for exemptions on the following routes:

DTW-MZT
DTW-ZIH
MEM-CZM
MEM-PVR
MEM-SJD
MSP-ZLO

and ready for this one....

OMA-CUN

US-Mexico routes are hotter than a summer day in Death valley!

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

WOW. Omaha- Cancun? Cancun is a hot place for business, but Omaha? Anyway, good news, hope they get them.

User currently offlineBlackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Omaha really surprises me, is there even enough people to justify the routes?

Anthony


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

I have to say that MEM-SJD surprises me much much more than OMA-CUN. Excellent news, though it seems the US-Mexico market is getting saturated a little too quickly. Oh well, only the strong will survive.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

I agree. The USA-Mexico market is getting saturated. The skies between Mexico and the US are getting just a little crowed.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

This isn't saturation. None of these flights will be operated more than 2x weekly. In fact, I doubt any of them will be more than 1x weekly. It is good use of aircraft that otherwise would sit on the ground during reduced weekend schedules. Might as well send them to Mexico.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

The source to this is?


Not on NW's website, or in press release, or even the employee website.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineN808NW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Will NW still have BOB food for these 5+ hr flights. Will they have any IFE too? If not... thats too bad NW customers.


-Jason  swirl 



All flights have great IFE...get yourself a window seat, thats something no PTV can beat! flew 808 Pacific an Atlanic
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
The source to this is?

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...umberValue=21781&searchType=docket



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

It amazing, after years of having little interest, the US airlines finally realized that there is a lot of potential flying pax to it southern neighbor - a lot of capacity has been added in recent years, but there seems to be the demand, as the size and number of Mexico's beach resorts has also grown.

NW is applying for many routes, but realistically, most of these cities will be served on weekends only with one or two flights per week, and some services may be seasonal. Resort destinations such as these keep aircraft busy during off peak weekend times and make an airlines FF program a bit sexier. A weekend in Los Cabos does sound better than another trip to Orlando.

Many cities have regular charters to Mexican destinations - are some of these new scheduled services replacing charters out of some cities?


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
This isn't saturation. None of these flights will be operated more than 2x weekly. In fact, I doubt any of them will be more than 1x weekly. It is good use of aircraft that otherwise would sit on the ground during reduced weekend schedules. Might as well send them to Mexico.

The docket lists only "seasonal service starting this winter (to all the listed markets..."

I agree with Mark on this 1 or 2x weekly at most.

It goes on to say they will use 319/320's on the routes.

AA has already responded in opposiition to the application citing NW's ties with CO (the market leader to Mexico) and DL (with their codeshare with AM).

I have newly found hope that a US carrier will apply for PVD-CUN seasonal weekly service since OMA will get one! (maybe NK???)


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 10):
AA has already responded in opposiition to the application citing NW's ties with CO (the market leader to Mexico) and DL (with their codeshare with AM).

So because NW has ties to Aeromexico, Delta, and Continental, AA is saying NW shouldnt be allowed to fly this with their own metal. Get Real AA.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
So because NW has ties to Aeromexico, Delta, and Continental, AA is saying NW shouldnt be allowed to fly this with their own metal. Get Real AA.

And you think NW and other airlines don't do the same thing? Airlines do this all the time, including Northwest.

AA thinks it is unfair that they cannot have anti-trust with BA, while all the other cartels can have anti-trust with their major partners - LH/UA, DL/AF, and NW/KL. They don't believe it is fair that anti-trust imminutiy is being taken to a much further level, and I agree with them. They have every single right to complain.

Airlines complain about each other all the time, NW is no exception.

The complaining isn't going to get them anywhere, but so be it.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

I don't believe OMA has customs/immigration yet? I wanted to send a Mexico flight there recently and they couldn't accomodate it.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

so many of these routes over the years, to all the resorts, have been primarily served with 3rd rate charter(ie. Ryan International ,et al) outfits with horrible on-times and no back ups!

Its great to see the more reliable "Scheds" pick up these routes! and offer online connex thru their hubs and also hub bypass where warranted!

I went MCI-CUN twice last year and plan to go MCI-PVR this year!!

(BTW, Frontier has great on board margaritas..Salvador's brand..30proof)


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5994 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

OMA may have Customs on demand. Also, CUN is looking into or starting pre-clearing US pax in Cancun. Though even if this happens, there will still need to be Custom on the other end.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7277 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
AA thinks it is unfair that they cannot have anti-trust with BA, while all the other cartels can have anti-trust with their major partners - LH/UA, DL/AF, and NW/KL. They don't believe it is fair that anti-trust imminutiy is being taken to a much further level, and I agree with them. They have every single right to complain

Sorry to take this off-topic but the AA-BA deal is different from LH/UA, DL/AF, and NW/KL because of the LHR issue. AA has every opportunity and right to start its own flights to FRA, AMS, and CDG to compete but DL, NW, CO, US, and all others (except UA and VS) have no ability to enter LHR even if they wanted to. Granting AA/BA the same anti-trust immunity for LHR would have a greater negative effect on the consumer than having anti-trust immunity in markets such as FRA,AMS, and CDG, all of which have Open Skies with the U.S.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 16):
Sorry to take this off-topic but the AA-BA deal is different from LH/UA, DL/AF, and NW/KL because of the LHR issue. AA has every opportunity and right to start its own flights to FRA, AMS, and CDG to compete but DL, NW, CO, US, and all others (except UA and VS) have no ability to enter LHR even if they wanted to. Granting AA/BA the same anti-trust immunity for LHR would have a greater negative effect on the consumer than having anti-trust immunity in markets such as FRA,AMS, and CDG, all of which have Open Skies with the U.S.

Yes, I know. I still support AA/BA's antitrust, but I understand why they don't have it.

Though that doesn't change the fact that AA has every right to complain.



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

OMA-CUN? Interesting....

Wonder if thats a sign of an impending build-up, ala IND and MKE?

COuld Mesaba's new RJ's be used for the service from MEM?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I don't believe OMA has customs/immigration yet?

OMA has customs services available Mon-Fri during business hours. Outside of that would take advance arrangements.
http://www.eppleyoperations.com/customs.htm



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7166 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 18):
Wonder if thats a sign of an impending build-up, ala IND and MKE?

Do you think they will add any more routes to the IND or MKE markets?????



"Its not what your country can do for you its what you can do for your country" JFK
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7341 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 18):
COuld Mesaba's new RJ's be used for the service from MEM?

No, the CRJ's don't have the legs do to this from MEM at all.

As everyone else as said, NW has finally gotten on the ball here, everyone else has already exploited Mexico from their southern hubs, its time for NW to cash into the higher yielding leisure crowd, especially from the Upper Midwest, which still doesn't really have much in the way of nonstop service to Mexico.

This will just use idle A319/A320's on Saturdays & Sundays, December-April.


User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Any news if they are interested in Central America routes?? (GUA-SAL or MGA maybe)

MGA



Que viva el guaro, el dinero y los aviones!!!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Quoting MGA (Reply 22):
Any news if they are interested in Central America routes?? (GUA-SAL or MGA maybe)

Northwest has no interest in the region outside of their current LIR service. I wouldn't be surprised to see them fly to SJO in the future, but none their hubs are suitable for GUA/SAL/MGA service, and they have their CO and DL partners covering the area just fine.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Was there any indication of when they'd start this service, how long they'd fly it, when they plan on flying it, what days of week? Looks like a NW route authority grab which is not kosher.


E pur si muove -Galileo
25 LambertMan : If you are talking about leisure intl destinations, probably not. Most of those routes mentioned above are relying solely on connecting traffic, espe
26 M404 : OMA-CUN possibly means they already have a request for service from a tour wholesaler in the area. Has this run ever been done by one of the "3rd rate
27 Ghost77 : And I've heard of NW interested in a QET/QRO-DTW flight with A319. Ricardo APM
28 MAH4546 : Eh...I don't see that working. American Airlines/American Eagle will be the next airline to QRO. They are looking at service to LAX, DFW, MIA, and OR
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : Not true at all, these are all markets that fit within NW's plan: fortifying their strength in their hubs and in the Upper Midwest/Great Lakes region
30 Ghost77 : Well, there's been a lot of gossip around in the last days... from what I've heard..... the list of new flights include: COex LAX-QRO AA QRO-ORD QRO-
31 Mariner : How is it pre-emptive against F9? Frontier doesn't fly to MEM, has only recently started DTW, and, equally recently, has gone to mainline at OMA. Mor
32 Nwafflyer : Oh my, then, can I fly to Queretaro on NWA?
33 Stirling : I seem to remember some scuttlebutt awhile ago about someone, (AM, MX, NW) looking into the feasibility of a HMO-DTW route. And then the very next wee
34 MAH4546 : Mexicana applied for DTW-HMO last spring, but never started the service because NW joined skyTeam, so then AeroMexico applied for DTW-HMO with plans
35 NWCOflyer : Doubt these flights are 5 Hours. They would be 4 hours at the most. And I am sure Joe Doe really wont give a darn. He wants the lowest fare, regardle
36 MasseyBrown : CO already operates LAX-QRO; do you mean an additional frequency?
37 Post contains links and images Fyano773 : NW has scarce presence in MEX, sending just 1 daily A319 and incidentally the 752... View Large View MediumPhoto © Sam Chui Any chance to send th
38 Juventus : Its a good thing to see NW expand on this side of the pond, even if its "on weekends". Besides Mexico, do they service any other Latin American cities
39 MAH4546 : Liberia, Costa Rica and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic.
40 Juventus : Thanx MAH4546. I did not know they flew to Costa Rica
41 Blackearth : I'm not surprised at all. I teach at a small college about 100 miles south of Minneapolis. Probably 20% of my students have been to Cancun at one tim
42 Burnsie28 : Yep, before the recent Liberia, Costa Rica boom, NW was for quite some time the only one there.
43 MaverickM11 : No my point is that NW is just grabbing a bunch of route authorities without properly detailing their plans for service as is required--unless someon
44 A330323X : You'll find in a good number of Mexico applications that the applicants don't specify their frequency, including applications by F9 and the like. NW
45 MaverickM11 : I've done a few of those applications and as far as I know it's required that you propose a tentative schedule as well as a time frame.
46 MAH4546 : That is not technically true. If a US-Mexico route authority is not being used, the airline still holds it as long as they continue to renew it (i.e.
47 PVD757 : This might be true, but I think it has to be provided if the DOT asks for it, or if they are trying to decide which (of 3, when that happens) carrier
48 Goomba : Omaha is a hot bed city for the outsourced call center market. Many telemarketing companies run operations out of Omaha because labor is cheap and squ
49 MAH4546 : Good analysis, but this has nothing to do with NW starting a weekly Omaha-Cancun service.
50 Post contains links A330323X : If a US-Mexico route authority is not being used, the airline still holds it as long as they continue to renew it (i.e. AA holds MIA-MTY, ORD-MTY, and
51 Post contains links MAH4546 : I was unaware that they lost MIA-MTY. However, it was due to them not renewing it, it was not taken away from them. All US-Mexico authorities expire,
52 MaverickM11 : Not for anything over 15 people!!!! They are considering building a FIS facility but if NW intends to start this service anytime soon it will have to
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : Only service to MEX is the daily A319 from DTW. This is the auto industry special. Sorry, you won't see an 753 on this route or any of these new Mexi
54 USAirways737 : Actually I think he did quite a good job of explaining why Omaha could handle service to Cancun. Besides that, Omaha has a metropolitan area accordin
55 RaginMav : Latest rumor is the chance of this facilty becoming a built, staffed and funded reality is between nothing and very very very little
56 FATFlyer : Not for anything over 15 people!!!! They are considering building a FIS facility but if NW intends to start this service anytime soon it will have to
57 MAH4546 : While what he said was indeed true, Northwest is starting Omaha-Cancun for the sole purpose of grabbing vacationers. A Saturday-only A319/A320 flight
58 BGOODAM : MX has pulled out of HMO definantly. Therefore no flight out of HMO from MX.
59 MAH4546 : Yes, exactly, which is why Mexicana never started the route and AeroMexico applied for it instead (along with the new AM/NW skyTeam connection).
60 ARCJET : Santa Fe, Alamagordo, CLovis, Hobbs, Portales, Roswell, Gallup and Farmington!
61 KLM685 : What's a FIS, thanks. Looks like NW wants to test themselves with leisure routes. Does somebody know if these are going to be year-round or just seas
62 MAH4546 : Seasonal, and none of them will likely be more than 2x weekly, probably all operating on Saturdays, some may have an additioanl Sunday flight. Wake u
63 KLM685 : I think you have a point there with those routes, but there's still several routes where we need a national airline in the game. For example, all the
64 MAH4546 : Those routes are heavy on connections. A Mexican airline has nothing to gain from flying them. For example, CO's MID-IAH flight supports itself on co
65 MSYtristar : Man, OMA-CUN will see scheduled service before MSY-CUN does. THAT is sad in my opinion. Demand is not a problem from here. I still have some hope that
66 PVD757 : Same here, but remember MSY, just about about any mid-sized upper latitude (or is it longitude, I forget) US airport could support a weekly winter se
67 Post contains links Joeljack : I think this is the answer to the OMA-CUN customs concerns: http://www.banderasnews.com/0506/nr-preclearance.htm It appears by the beginning of next y
68 FATFlyer : FIS = federal inspection station or federal inspection services facility, I've seen both definitions get used for the abbreviation. Basically a FIS i
69 Stirling : I think you mean "DGO"..... "DRO" is Durango, Colorado.
70 Post contains images FlyPIJets : That is so funny, it is the way I read the thread title as well. Why would NW be applying for routes to New Mexico!?! Let's don't forget Las Cruces.
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