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A3XX Test Flight?  
User currently offlineEuro Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

I know that we shouldn't be seeing the A3XX in service until at least 2005, and I've read recently that Emirates is showing great interest in the project. What I would like to know is when is the first test flight scheduled and where will it be performed?

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User currently offlineSmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

It hasn't even been launched yet and you want a test flight schedule.  

User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

If everything goes as planned, the A3XX will have its first flight in 2004.

I think Toulouse will be the place, as Hamburg will only do the interior-outfitting for this plane.

Regards


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

Hey Smoo, if you are such an expert as you always make us to believe, you should have heard already that Emirates has launched the program, with five firm orders and five options. The A3XX is launched, whatever you may understand by that.

I think it will fly about one year before delivery, in 2004 as WorldTraveller said.

Regards
Udo


User currently offlineBlade From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1016 times:

Is it really launched. Where did you hear that???

User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 986 times:

It is not launched ! Emirates said they are purchasing 10 (or 12?) A3XX's if it is launched

Jeremiha Teahan



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User currently offlineBlade From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 978 times:

That's exactly what I thought. The fact that Emirates are buying maybe 12 A3XX does not mean that it will be launched. I don't remember for sure, but I think that Airbus sad that they need at least 50 orders before they will launch the program. Somebody correct if I’m wrong.

User currently offlineEuro Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 970 times:

Sorry about that. Then I guess the program hasn't been launched yet! But I hope they DO launch it. It looks like a great program! 

User currently offlineSmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 966 times:

Ah Udo, it seems you turned out to be the real "expert" here! 

Maybe sometime you can tell me some more about my country's history! I look forward to hearing the words of such a learned historian as yourself!  


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Oh, are we talking about history? Sorry, I must have overseen that.
What would you like to know?

Regards
Udo


User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 907 times:

Airbus Delays A3XX Commercial Launch


by Pierre Sparaco


(Editor’s Note: This article first appeared in Aviation Week & Space Technology, Dec. 19, 1999, p. 46)

TOULOUSE, France — Although Airbus Industrie intends to launch the $11-12 billion A3XX Very Large Transport Airplane or VLTA by the end of 2000, its supervisory board last week failed to authorize commercial proposals to potential launch customers.

In a carefully worded compromise, on Dec. 8, the board cautiously authorized the European consortium's management to approach A3XX-interested airlines at top management level to get clear indication about their commitment to A3XX passenger/cargo versions, number of aircraft in demand and time frame. It added that “further decisions” will be taken during next year's first half “with a view to confirm [the A3XX's] entry into service in 2005. The board members also delayed a long-waited decision to select a location for the A3XX's final assembly line.

The Europeans' tergiversations buy time to finalize arrangements with additional risk-sharing partners and further strengthen the huge program's business plan. In addition, the European aerospace industry's ongoing restructuring is complicating the consortium's decision-making process.

Aerospatiale Matra, DaimlerChrysler Aerospace (DASA) and Construcciones Aeronauticas (CASA), which jointly own 80% of Airbus, are scheduled to merge next spring to form the European Aeronautic, Defense and Space Co. (EADS). The far-reaching consolidation move, which follows several years of immobility, could rapidly revitalize efforts to replace Airbus' outdated Groupement d'Interet Economique, a loose industrial grouping, by the long-overdue single corporate entity.

Despite Asia's financial crisis that seriously impacted key A3XX potential launch customers — plus additional uncertainties surrounding the VLTA market — Airbus' confidence in the A3XXremains unaltered. The program's economic viability has now been confirmed, Airbus officials claimed. They stressed that major international airlines in the next 20 years will acquire an estimated 1,200 A3XX-category aircraft to operate the world's busiest long-haul routes.

Airbus' supervisory board is believed to require commitments from 3-5 “ reference” carriers for a total of 30-40 aircraft to approve the program's go-ahead, on the condition that the program's funding is finalized.

In contrast with the Europeans' optimistic views, Boeing's market forecast shows a demand for 930 aircraft of 747-400 size and larger over the next 20 years. However, within this category, more than half of the requirement, or approximately 565 aircraft, is for 400-500-seat aircraft, leaving a projected requirement for airplanes of 500 seats or more at only 365, most of them during the forecast's second decade.

A Boeing official last week said that the latest delay in the A3XX program was to be expected. “The market is evolving into the direction of nonstop service between cities. Average airplane size is coming down as the pace of route fragmentation accelerates around the world.” Added the Boeing official: “We have no problem if Airbus ultimately decides to go forward with the program as long as it does so on a purely commercial basis.”

Airbus Large Aircraft Div. and about 20 airlines, all of them ranked as potential customers, jointly formed working groups to regularly review the proposed VLTA's operational requirements, performance and technical definition. The group includes Air Canada, Air France, Air New Zealand, All Nippon Airways, Cargolux, Emirates, Iberia, Japan Airlines, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, Korean Air, Lufthansa German Airlines, Qantas, Singapore Airlines, United Airlines, Virgin Atlantic Airways and FedEx. The A3XX's tentative price tag is about $220 million, at current economic conditions.

According to Aerospatiale Matra Chief Executive Philippe Camus, in an effort to streamline the Airbus consortium's management structure, which strictly enforces a unanimity rule, the proposed EADS' member companies this month agreed to speak with a single voice at the supervisory board's decision-making meetings. However, they have not succeeded yet in reconciling divergent views on EADS' management.

Today, Airbus' primary goal is to attract more risk-sharing partners in the A3XX program. So far, it concluded agreements with Saab Aircraft, Eurocopter's French branch and mid/small-size manufacturers such as Hurel-Dubois and Latecoere in France, GKN Westland in the U.K., Stork Aerospace in the Netherlands and the Belairbus grouping in Belgium. Finmecanicca/Alenia Aerospazio, which failed to join Airbus as a full-fledged member, tentatively plans to acquire a 10-15% stake in the A3XX, but no agreement has been concluded yet. Up to 40% of the program is expected to be funded by the additional partners.

In the last few months, the consortium's member companies initiated negotiations with their four respective European governments in preparation for multiyear loan arrangements that could cover up to 33% of each company's share in the program. They would comply with the U.S.-European Union July 1992 agreement on commercial transport funding.

Although all-new systems are still being studied, the aircraft's basic definition is now frozen to protect the 2005 service entry date, according to Robert Lafontan, Airbus Large Aircraft Div. vice president for engineering and product development. The A3XX concept also has a built-in capability for longer term derivatives, he added.

The A340-inspired fly-by-wire flight controls and systems will use four independent power systems to actuate control surfaces. Two hydraulic systems will be complemented by electro-hydrostatic actuators and electric backup hydraulic actuators, an electric ram air turbine, and electric motor pumps for ground use only.

“The flight deck's design, which was recently completed, is a natural evolution of the A320/A340 concept,” Lafontan said. However, it will include new features such as larger and interactive flight displays, takeoff acceleration monitoring and engine thrust displays and a vertical situation awareness system.

In an initiative set to collect comments and preferences before freezing the cockpit's concept, 21 airline pilots recently reviewed here Airbus' studies and “flew” Aerospatiale Matra's Epopee simulator, Catherine Aubert said. She is Airbus simulator research manager. Although Epopee is not a full-flight simulator, it reproduces a broad range of A3XX flight configurations. Epopee, which is complemented by a human factor interface demonstrator, is also used to validate the cockpit of the Airbus Military Co.'s proposed A400M military transport.

Although the A3XX was designed to comply with the 80 X 80 meters (260 X 260 ft.) apron “box” so that it could operate at existing airport facilities, taxiing the nearly outsize aircraft will require a video camera system. After evaluating the merits of several locations, engineers said cameras will be installed under the fuselage and on the vertical stabilizer's tip.

Airbus' current schedule is to complete the double-deck aircraft's final definition in early 2002, begin the No.1 airframe's final assembly during the third quarter of 2003 and enter into the flight test phase in mid-2004. Five aircraft are scheduled to participate in the FAA/European Joint Aviation Authorities certification program.

The envisioned product range's basic model is the A3XX-100, a 555-seat aircraft in three-class cabin configuration. The 1,190,000-lb.-maximum-takeoff weight -100 is designed to carry a 187,000- lb. payload 7,650 naut. mi. with four 67,000-75,000 lb.-thrust Rolls-Royce Trent 900s or General Electric/Pratt & Whitney Engine Alliance GP7200s. It would be rapidly followed by the extended-range A3XX-100R, which would carry the same payload on 8,750-naut.-mi.-range aircraft as well as all-cargo and combi versions. Maximum takeoff weight of the all-cargo A3XX-100F would be increased to 1,285,000 lb. to enable the aircraft to carry up to 331,000 lb. of freight over 5,725 naut. mi.

Paradoxically, the shortened-fuselage A3XX-50R would come later. It recently evolved into a 481-seat aircraft, up from 455 seats. No schedule has been determined as yet for the stretched-fuselage 656-seat A3XX-200.











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User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 898 times:

Nice article, outdated by five month though!

Airbus is supposed to officially approach airlines with offers after a supervisory board meeting on May 26. This date could be seen as a "launch date", although the official launch would take place if Airbus has won enough orders. This could be in fall.
That's the latest information.  

Go to Yahoo NEWS and type "airbus" in the search function to get the latest...

Regards,
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 887 times:

Here's something a little more recent...lol


Singapore Airlines Prepared To Order A3XX


by Geoffrey Thomas and Scott Burnell


05/15/00 10:06:28 PM U.S. EDT

Singapore Airlines appears ready to join Emirates as a customer for the superjumbo A3XX. Airbus Industrie is expected to announce later today that SIA will order up to 16 of the double-decker, 555-seat aircraft, if the European consortium launches the aircraft.

Singaporean analysts say the commitment, from one of the world's most profitable airlines, assures a go-ahead for the A3XX. Airbus’ supervisory board is scheduled to meet late next week to consider formally offering the plane to potential launch customers.

If the consortium gets commitments for 30-50 aircraft from a minimum of five major carriers during the second half of 2000, the $12.5 billion program could be launched by the end of the year. The SIA and Emirates deals, if carried out in full, put Airbus nearly halfway to its goal.

Airbus has long targeted Singapore Airlines as a launch customer for the A3XX, but the recent Asian downturn put plans for larger aircraft on ice. However, Asian airlines are once again recording double-digit passenger and cargo growth. According to sources in Singapore, the airline will be the first airline to operate the A3XX when it takes delivery in 2005.

The Singapore Airlines move is expected to prompt further commitments from other key Asian airlines, such as Cathay Pacific. Qantas executives stated last week that they would have to order the aircraft to stay competitive, much as airlines did in 1966 when Pan Am ordered the 747.
















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