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LOT Closer To 787  
User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Hi,

as per daily business newspaper „Puls Biznesu” special internal committee checked the correctness of LOT board of directors recommendation regarding long haul fleet.
That means that the recommendation will be presented to the supervisory board for approval, most likely on August 2nd session.

The daily says that the recommendation is to purchase Boeing 787 aircrafts.

Link in Polish can be found here

http://www.pb.pl/content.aspx?sid=22...357770-2B2D-4FBF-A949-9D34427F004A

Regards
Jarek

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User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6020 times:
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How many do you think they would order?

NZ1


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

They talk about six planes.

LOT has currently 4 767-300ER (the fourth one is just being leased) and 2 767-200ER.

Jarek


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
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NZ1

LOT are interested in about 6.

Are the 6x UFO B787 orders for LOT or another airline?


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5979 times:
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We used to lease SP-LPA every summer for a while there. Is she still in the fleet??

NZ1


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

NZ1,

yes, it is still in te fleet. Most recent pictures can be found here

http://tinyurl.com/828ph

777ER,

which UFO 787 you are talking about?

Jarek


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5945 times:
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Jarek

I remember on the boeing web-site a 6x order but with no airline mentioned for it. Would this be LOTs order


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Although French air giant Airbus had been lobbying LOT hard to pick its A350 or A330 model, LOT's deputy president, Edouard Ullmo, said that the Polish firm ceased negotiations with the French company as far back as April.

LOT's spokesman, Leszek Chorzewski, refused to provide any information confirming the news, claiming that "the company will comment on the choice of the fleet after the final decision is made," which will take place at the beginning of August at the earliest. The value of the six airplanes is about $500 (z³.1,702) million.


http://www.wbj.pl/?command=article&id=27578

$500/6 =$83 mil. The list price as I remember is $120 mil.

I'm not saying Boeing is dumping the 787 but this price after >200 orders being placed seems a significant investment for Boeing.


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

I doubt those are for LOT since there is no final decision yet.

Jarek


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

BTW - Eduard Ullmo works for Airbus, not LOT  Smile

User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Are the 6x UFO B787 orders for LOT or another airline?

Another airline.


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 10):
Another airline.

Exactly - I been hearing that that those 6 787 UFO's are for AF. With this latest news its obviously not for LOT - since they havent approved a purchase yet...

who knows... time will tell...



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Good news for both if true. How long before we know for sure?


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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 12):
Good news for both if true. How long before we know for sure?

Who the hell knows... First they were going to announce it at the end of 2004, then they moved it to February 2005, then to June, now August... I'm wondering if Boeing is still holding those 2008 delivery slots for LOT...



Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

DAYflyer,

the soonest is August 2nd - see the original post.

Regards


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 11):
I been hearing that that those 6 787 UFO's are for AF

We want a proof!



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 15):

We want a proof!

of course you do and the rest of us too... that is why its still a UFO... and not from space. lol....



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 13):
Who the hell knows... First they were going to announce it at the end of 2004, then they moved it to February 2005, then to June, now August

Now when August comes, look for board to vote no! Remember, there are board members from gov, and ex swissair.... Hell I bet they will not make it official untill december, or maybe next year.


User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

[quote=Keesje,reply=7]$500/6 =$83 mil. The list price as I remember is $120 mil.

The article says ABOUT $500 million. And unless you've personally seen a signed contract, you have nothing to talk about.



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

After all those pressures from both sides LOT management seems to be affraid to take any decision so they just postpone it by month, month, another month etc. Whichever way but make any decision LOT!

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

On the subject of 787 orders, does anyone know why Boeing shows the CO order as 5? I thought they ordered 10 firm?

User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Oh no, Airbus is barking (again) that LOT is allegedly in the wrong for not evaluating its offers...

Puls Biznesu quoted Edouard Ullmo, Airbus deputy CEO, as saying: 'LOT management in its letter dated April 26 told us it would not take into consideration Airbus' offer any longer and recommend the supervisory board choose the Boeing 787.

'We corrected our offer several times but the airline declined to view it... We are surprised that no independent specialist has been asked to evaluate proposals,' Ullmo said.


http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2005/07/13/afx2137271.html



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

>> On the subject of 787 orders, does anyone know why Boeing shows the CO order as 5? I thought they ordered 10 firm?

An order is not firm until it appears on the Orders section of Boeing.com. Anything prior to this stage is a commitment or MoU/LoI. At the end of 2004, CO stated an intention to place 10 firm aircraft, but now that the order has actually been firmed, they decided to only order five.

Perhaps financial considerations are playing a roll, though I would expect CO to have atleast 5 options on stand-by...


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

who else could we look for to order the 787?


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 23):
who else could we look for to order the 787?

SQ
QF
EK (looking at it but will probably go A350)
Finnair
LH
possible CX
MAS
TK



That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
25 N60659 : I agree. EK's insistence on a 300+ capacity fleet possibly eliminates the 789 from consideration. But let's wait and see... BTW wasn't signing the 78
26 NYC777 : Signed sealed and delivered...just waiting for US EXIM go ahead I believe. Should be any week now before it is on Boeing's order totals.
27 Cancidas : anyone here have a pic of what the 787 would look like in our livery?
28 Dutchjet : I hope that LOT can finalize its order for the 787, simply because the 787 is the aircraft that LOT wants for its future longhaul needs. A couple of m
29 BoeingBus : very well said... not that it means much, but your on my respected list! Cheers! Ric
30 Milan320 : I can't remember off the top of my head, but by how much greater is the predicted range of the 787 to the A350? The reason I ask, is I heard one of th
31 QFA001 : Up front, I don't know the airline. However, FWIW, I also don't have the impression that it is AF. I think it is an airline that we don't really know
32 PolAir : Now that is new news to me! I have heard them talking about some new asian cities (Beijing, BKK, HKG) and maybe Mexico City after LH reported some sa
33 NW727251ADV : This makes no sense to me for lack of better words...weird.
34 Post contains links Renton_wa : http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00002188
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