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Second Daily DXB/JFK On EK!  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17672 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

Considering the first 6 months of the DXB/JFK nonstop ran under a 62% average load factor, either things really turned around or they have a very low break even load factor with a full premium cabin...

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050713/nyw094.html?.v=13


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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Yield is the key here.

User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Yes, but will that second flight generate enough yield for this flight to be successful? Only time will tell. Anyway, good to see they are making money on the route.

LUV4JFK
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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Are the cargo loads good on these flights?

Great to see another EK flight at JFK!

Whats the latest on EZE, SFO, LAX.....?

Rob!


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7826 times:

The new eastbound flight has great timing, IMO. EK has the non-stop market to itself- they are almost without a doubt rolling in the dough on this route. Will the second daily dilute yield a little? Yes. But with two dailies and still a relatively healthy yield coming in, they'll still make some pretty nice profits. This is great news, and I wish them the best of luck  Smile!

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 4):
EK has the non-stop market to itself- they are almost without a doubt rolling in the dough on this route.

EK is not going after the USA-DXB market with the route - indeed, there is little ex-USA demand to Dubai to speak of with a straight face. Rather, the JFK-DXB flights are intended to bring pax to DXB to connect onto flights to the Indian Subcontinent.

Which of course raises a new issue: What will happen with EK's plans to dump capacity (esp. A380s) on the North American market given that USA and Indian carriers can fly between the two countries without restriction?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Are the cargo loads good on these flights?

I've heard that there is a good cargo load on this route and they really don't need to fill up all the pax seats..

I'm hoping they will switch to the -200LR for this route, maybe I'll fly on this route again..

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""With flights that depart in both the morning and the evening, Emirates will provide greater service and access for business and leisure travelers from North America to the Middle East and destinations beyond."

The non-stop service enables passengers from New York to connect in Dubai to other destinations in Africa, the Indian sub-continent and Asia Pacific and reduce layover and overall flying times.""


interesting..that is what I said AA should do with its ORD-DEL flight.

[Edited 2005-07-13 19:16:19]


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7747 times:
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Quoting Avek00 (Reply 5):
Which of course raises a new issue: What will happen with EK's plans to dump capacity (esp. A380s) on the North American market given that USA and Indian carriers can fly between the two countries without restriction?

If EK introduce industry-leading comfort, service and IFE on their A380s at attractive prices people will flock to fly them US-DXB-India, no worries there...



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17672 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
If EK introduce industry-leading comfort, service and IFE on their A380s

It's all about the price being low enough to make a connection worthwhile.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
If EK introduce industry-leading comfort, service and IFE on their A380s at attractive prices people will flock to fly them US-DXB-India, no worries there...

I actually disagree. To my knowledge EK has not done well getting pax JFK-DXB-BOM. In fact going by what I see, and it is my own observations only, people in India and Indian-Americans tend to want to avoid flying middle eastern carriers when equal options exist. EK needed to start the second flight in a sense to make the NYC service viable. Other than BOM, other Indian cities had a long wait for connections in one direction. With so many new routes opening up to South India, EK would have even lost those pax (up until recently Southern India had very few choices other than gulf carriers). Even though EK has good connection times to BOM, BOM has the most flight options for other airlines which are more popular than EK on the BOM-JFK route. So depending on BOM traffic is not a good option.

So I actually think this is a great move on EK's part to focus their attention on cities outside of BOM with good connections to the US. That said, I think they have a hard fight ahead given the substantially incresed number of flights and players to formally underserved cities like MAA. On another note, I think EK will dominate the NYC-Pakistan route given that they will now have great connections both ways and Pakistan has unfortunately not yet witnessed an increase in Western airlines opperating there.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7645 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 5):
Which of course raises a new issue: What will happen with EK's plans to dump capacity (esp. A380s) on the North American market given that USA and Indian carriers can fly between the two countries without restriction?

Yes without restriction; but the nonstops USA-India are not for the price sensitive shopper in this market. A380's allow economy of scale in a convenient 1 stop format, with more connecting possibilities than any european carrier.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

I guess this will co-inside with the delivery of the extra 2 A340-500's.

This is great news indeed. 2x daily wow.

Drew



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 9):
I think EK will dominate the NYC-Pakistan route given that they will now have great connections both ways and Pakistan has unfortunately not yet witnessed an increase in Western airlines opperating there.

PK still have good demand for their JFK -Pakistan routes too(4X/weekly), and they also use the 777's now on Fridays and Sundays....(along with the 747 on Wednesdays and Saturdays).

I've heard along (possibly in replacement) with IAH, PK might use the -200LR on this route, which would not be beneficial for EK.....why hub @ DXB when one can fly direct

PK can setup a better times also for arrival and departures...

I've flown on EK from JFK-DXB-KHI..I'm not too crazy about the connection times (1:00 a.m. @DXB) and 4:30 a.m in KHI

if PK can fly nonstop and arrive in Pakistan early morning, that would be one up on EK.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Great news! I wonder why they chose to start a 2nd daily flight rather than start service to another US city.

From what I've heard, the yields and cargo were doing well but EK's reputation didn't take off in NYC.

Statement from the press release: North America is an important market for Emirates. Our move to increase flights is a direct result of strong customer demand for Emirates' passenger and cargo services, and it signals our commitment and confidence in the growth of the market," said Nigel Page, Emirates Senior Vice President, Commercial Operations, The Americas.

Maybe they are doing better than everyone on A.net has said.......

What will happen with EK's plans to dump capacity (esp. A380s) on the North American market given that USA and Indian carriers can fly between the two countries without restriction?

That is a worry on the horizon. Major carriers are also scared of what might happen if EK starts flying some North Atlantic routes, since those are some of the most profitable routes left.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Has anybody noticed that with the announcement of this flight, their proposed DXB-NGO flight has disappeared from the systems? Interesting...

User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
I wonder why they chose to start a 2nd daily flight rather than start service to another US city

My guess is that to make the NY flight work for connections to the subcontinent they needed the second flight as many cities had long waits in one direction. If they started a second city, they would have the same problem, a flight that worked well in one direction for connection but not the other direction.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

If they started a second city, they would have the same problem, a flight that worked well in one direction for connection but not the other direction.

What are the connection bank times at DXB?


User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

B747-437B
Yes Nagoya has been deferred until further notice in order to accomodate the 2nd JFK.

Rgds
Emirates777


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 17):
Yes Nagoya has been deferred until further notice in order to accomodate the 2nd JFK.

Serious question though - was Nagoya ever truly intended to be operated - or was it simply a tactical block to keep Etihad from getting all 14 of the available frequencies for W05?


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

2x to jfk and still not one yyz flight.......a lot of middle east travellers here!

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
If EK introduce industry-leading comfort, service and IFE on their A380s at attractive prices people will flock to fly them US-DXB-India, no worries there...

People will always choose a nonstop over a connection, the only X factor is if there's significant price savings.

An airline can offer all the luxury and amenities they want but it still does not compete with a hotel or one's own bed for comfort, and if a nonstop gets you home quicker that's more valuable.



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

I have to say that, on a number of occasions when I have inquired in western Canada with travel agents that do not specialize in travel to Africa, the first airline that pops to their mind is not BA, AF, LH who have regular services into Africa, but EK, who does not even fly to this part of the world. Agents suggest flying into Europe, then to DXB then on to your final destination. Also, I know of people flying into places like Kenya who pretty much don't want to fly the most direct route, and opt for a few hours in DXB by doing something like YVR-LHR-DXB-NBO, while BA and KQ serve LHR-NBO with up to two daily flights. There are pax who value EK, and do not care if they go out of their way to get to their final destination.

Maybe that's what I will do the next time I head to ADD, a few hours in DXB won't hurt. Could do CX YVR-JFK, EK JFK-DXB, ET DXB-ADD. Unless of course, something cooks up with G0 getting me there through ACC  Smile


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25786 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

According to Emirates Senior VP-Commercial Operations-the Americas Nigel Page characterized load factors on the 14-hr. flight as "extremely high since December." The route has been profitable for "a long time now,"

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=7%2F14%2F2005

Having tried to book business class on this flight several times, I can confirm the premium cabin does sell out, oftens days in advance.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

Having tried to book business class on this flight several times, I can confirm the premium cabin does sell out, oftens days in advance.

Any idea who the majority of pax are? Americans heading to Dubai, or Americans connecting, or Indians connecting or what?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25786 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 23):
Any idea who the majority of pax are? Americans heading to Dubai, or Americans connecting, or Indians connecting or what?

My general observation are that the Emirates flight appeals to a wide variety of passengers headed both the UAE and beyond.

Both Americans and a range of ethnicities make use of the Emirates Dubai hub to connect beyond to destinations thruout the Middle East , East Africa and Indian sub continent. I've also seen people head further afield to Malaysia, Singapore and even Australia. The 2nd flight certainly will provide even more connection opportunities for all these passengers.

I could very easily even see an eventual 3rd JFK flight sooner or later as the demand for the current evening departure is quite strong.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
25 EK156 : Not always if it a very long haul. I would rather connect and relax in a Terminal for 2 hours or so rather than doing a 16 or 18 hours flight!! I thi
26 NorthstarBoy : no, you're not wrong lol, i'm the same way, that's why i've never been to Australia, i can't stand the idea of spending 17 hours suspended over water
27 6thfreedom : ... and has anyone noticed that the double daily DXB-PER service has also been taken off?? hhhhmmmm....
28 Avek00 : Not true at all - nonstops are almost universally preferred by premium travelers - vacationers might take a one-stop if a large price differential ex
29 CaptainZed : I would rather see a non-stop flight to Toronto, Montreal, Washington or LA.. What's the secret behind not having yet considered any flight to Toronto
30 Aerofan : I tried non revving on EK to NZ last november. I couldn't get out of JFK for several days. Flights were full. My observations , most of the pax were f
31 LH477 : If AC's downgrading of YYZ-DEL is any indication, then EK may not have anything worry about.
32 Sparkingwave : Wow. Interesting. A double daily flight between Dubai and New York. On A340-500s no less. I invite anyone to correct me or comment if I am wrong, but
33 YUL332LX : They are considering YYZ, but they'd be limited to three flights/week as per the bilateral for the next several months. Hardly interesting for a carr
34 Avek00 : If increased demand is there at current or higher fares, yes. If not, the airline would be setting itself up for losses.
35 CaptainZed : With Middle Easterns having a harder time to get into the US, and US visas are getting the hardest to get, it'll get worst in the future, EK is defini
36 STT757 : Time is money, as the saying goes. Leisure folks probably would like to take the break on these Ultra-long haul flights, Business travelers who often
37 HB-IWC : The proposed second daily DXB-PER was given up to accomodate the proposed daily DXB-NGO, which was nothing else than a shameless smoke screen to bloc
38 BigGSFO : So does anyone know - is EK subisidzed by the goverments of the UAE? Could these flights be subsidized by oil money perhaps? Just a crazy thought.
39 6thfreedom : Yes, a crazy thought. EK is not subsidized by the Dubai Govt. Their accounts are audited by PWC. They simply use a strategy which is a little too muc
40 Post contains links Jacobin777 : they are going to have some competition with Etihad, as Etihad will commence that route soon. http://www.etihadairways.com/presentation/default.aspx
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