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2nd Largest Airport In The World  
User currently offlineC172 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16050 times:

I understand the Riyadh Intl is the biggest... guinness says that. Maybe something else has been built.

I want to know the SECOND AND THIRD LARGEST... 2nd and 3rd most massive. In terms of square miles.

JFK seems utterly enormous and must be high on the list.

What airport gets the silver medal? Who gets bronze?

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User currently offlineNWrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15998 times:

Are we talking terminal size or entire airport property? DFW's property covers 29.78 square miles and is said to be the third-largest airport in the world and second largest in the US in terms of land mass.

Source: http://www.dfwairport.com/visitor/facts.htm



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15963 times:

this information is really hard to find. I know PIT is the third largest in the country after DFW in land area

User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15926 times:

Quoting NWrr (Reply 1):
Are we talking terminal size or entire airport property?

Riyadh is #1 in terms of land size, so I believe he's looking for #2 for the same category as well.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15888 times:

Denver. Just look at a map.

User currently offlineNWrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15879 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER:
Denver. Just look at a map.

Actually, you are 100% correct.

DIA (or just plain old DEN) is 53 square miles, almost twice the size of DFW.

http://www.flydenver.com/guide/index.asp

And since you brought it up, JFK is only 7.7 square miles in area. EWR is 3.17 square miles and LGA is a mere 1.0625 square miles (for those who wondered).

[Edited 2005-07-14 13:11:29]


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15632 times:

An intresting fact about Terminal 4 at JFK is that it is bigger then LGAs entire terminal space.


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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15600 times:

I am working in Denver a lot right now, the airport is here is extremely massive.

The terminal itself is very very nice, one of the best in the US.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15584 times:

In terms of land area, DFW was the largest airport in the US and second-largest in the world until the boondoggle/white elephant DEN was built.

Is DEN bigger than Riyadh? I don't know.

Both DEN and DFW could swallow up ATL, ORD, and JFK combined.

The real question of size should be determined by terminal square footage. Who would win that one?



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 15502 times:

MCO is pretty big in land area also. Anyone have the specs?

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User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15379 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 8):
In terms of land area, DFW was the largest airport in the US and second-largest in the world until the boondoggle/white elephant DEN was built.

Ssides,

Please share your opinion on why DEN is a "boondoggle/white elephant." As the 10th busiest airport in the world, "white elephant" hardly seems an appropriate description. Expensive to build? Yes. Overbudget? Yes. But aren't the majority of public works projects?

I suggest you review operations at the old Stapleton airport versus DIA before you make such a ridiculous statement.

And yes, it is the largest airport (land area) in the U.S. and second largest in the world.

Picarus


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

According to the latest AILINER NEWS, Manchester will (in 2012) handle more passengers than LGW, now that is shocking news

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 15162 times:

Quoting Picarus (Reply 10):
Please share your opinion on why DEN is a "boondoggle/white elephant." As the 10th busiest airport in the world, "white elephant" hardly seems an appropriate description. Expensive to build? Yes. Overbudget? Yes. But aren't the majority of public works projects?
I suggest you review operations at the old Stapleton airport versus DIA before you make such a ridiculous statement.

I haven't lived in Colorado for a long time, but much of my family still does; I return quite often....my opinions are purely observations; the DEN/Stapleton controversy is something I am obviously quite curious about.

There is noticeable perceptual shift depending on where one might be standing in Northern Colorado (or the Front Range, since DIA serves a vast region).
Those living in the most central parts of Denver Metro; Denver County; are the ones who "miss" Stapleton the most. As well as those in other parts of the nation who were once able to land in the middle of the city and take a cab into town for under $30. There remains a sizeable amount of travelers who miss the cozy little airport smack dab in the middle of one of America's most beautiful cities.

But, whether one is in Milan, Washington DC, or Denver, there will always be some amount of long-term animosity to moving the main facility out to the boondocks; no matter how nice such facility may be. Statistics and conclusive data mean nothing when trying to replace a much loved airport, warts and all. New doesn't always mean better.

On the other hand, the farther one gets from the center of Denver; places like Longmont, Ft Collins, Parker, Greeley, etc, is where you will find those who don't really care, but if pressed, they will prefer the new airport over the old cramped confines of Stapleton. To them the distance is not the factor; they had to make a trip anyway, if anything, the new DEN might actually be easier, or closer for them.

But you will find within this same group, a segment that doesn't really care; those who see airports as just another public place, in the way they might view a courthouse, a grocery store, or bus station; BUT, they cannot seem to be able to see past the pricetag. Call it sticker shock if you will.
"Sure it's beautiful, but was it necessary?" is a sentiment I hear often.

Colorado, and I do know this for fact, is a fiscally conservative place....DEN goes across the grain of this philosophy, no matter how much technical merit is used in proving it's worth.



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User currently offlinePmg1704 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 15070 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 11):
According to the latest AILINER NEWS, Manchester will (in 2012) handle more passengers than LGW, now that is shocking news

Was that number determined before or after London won the 2012 Olympics?


User currently offlineScott0305 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 14976 times:

Airliners news said that MAN would handle 40m pax by 2015 (9m more than LGW "currently" handles. Don't know how much room there is for expansion at LGW (not much with the single runway I suspect) but I think that with the olympics LGW will still probably beat MAN in 2012.

User currently offlineJetter2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14698 times:

DFW is friggin huge! I love it here. 7 Runways, and 4(soon to be 5) terminals. This is one of my all time favorite airports. It is big, and the way it is setup allows you to see EVERYTHING from you're seat in the terminal.

God bless Dallas  Smile


User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 8):
In terms of land area, DFW was the largest airport in the US and second-largest in the world until the boondoggle/white elephant DEN was built.

I agree with Picarus and am curious about your dislike of Denver Int'l. Personally, it is my favorite airport in the US to transfer in because of the fact that unless you are going to/from TED, it is so easy with the one concourse. I for one hate DFW and never like to go through there due to the half-circle layout that just creates headaches for me instead of being an effective hub design. Notice that no one is really building that style of terminal anymore as it is a more O&D design instead of an effective hub design (noted that DFW was finished before de-reg., hence this is a reason for this.). Anyway, I think that Denver Int'l is one of the best hub airports in the country.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14493 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 8):
the boondoggle/white elephant DEN was built.

It wasn't really a boondoggle or white elephant. It is in the top 10 busiest in the world and top 5 in the US, even though it is not in the top 10 in population in either case. Sure, the airport is hugely overbuilt, but that helps in two ways. The delays that plagued Stapleton are basically non-existant and the airport is not hamstrung for growth like ORD, LAX, SFO and LHR are.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 8):
Is DEN bigger than Riyadh? I don't know.

No, it is not. RUH is still the largest airport in the world

Quoting Pmg1704 (Reply 13):
Quoting Trekster (Reply 11):
According to the latest AILINER NEWS, Manchester will (in 2012) handle more passengers than LGW, now that is shocking news

Was that number determined before or after London won the 2012 Olympics?

It doesn't matter. LGW is basically at or above capacity as it is. STN will see all the growth in London until LHR (not so likely) or LGW (even less likely) gets another runway



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14328 times:

Maybe DEN perhaps???


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

Hong Kong? KIX? Beijing - massive now, they just kick people off the land. KLIA?

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 14269 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
"Sure it's beautiful, but was it necessary?" is a sentiment I hear often.

Considering the nearly nonexistance of airport closures around 5,280 (the Mile High City) that has occured since 1995, and the lack of bottle necks on the ground, save for extreme wind conditions... yes.

I'm interested to see the fiscal impacts of DIA v Stapleton, but that's another thread.

Back on topic, I'm sure that ASE is #1 in terminal space


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13729 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 20):
Considering the nearly nonexistance of airport closures around 5,280 (the Mile High City) that has occured since 1995, and the lack of bottle necks on the ground, save for extreme wind conditions... yes.

That is absolutely true. The last time I flew into Denver was last August on Frontier. I was simply blown away by the lack of ground time. Push-back. Taxi. Take-off.
Whereas at Stapleton it was: Push-back. Wait. Wait. Taxi. Taxi. Taxi. Wait. Wait...........Take-off.

The new DEN as well makes utilizing the frequency of the hub for quick business jaunts less efficient. The old DEN was right in the middle of everything....a rental car was optional. Now, it's mandatory.
Cabbies hate the new DEN. Rental Car companies love the new DEN.

If you live in Denver County, and travel on business, the new DEN could be a pain in the butt, depending on how you use it. This much I gained after my last biztrip. Standing around waiting to be taken to the airport by limo (Man that company was awesome!) I was talking to some of the guys hanging around to see me off when the subject of Denver's airports came up.
Now these were all sophisticated, smart, professional business people, nearly unanimous in their disdain for the new airport. They all lived in places like LoDo, Washington Park, Castle Rock, Parker, etc...to them, Stapleton was just flat-out more easier to access. They could have clients (like me) buzz in, hold a quick meeting at an adjacent hotel, then hit the town, or fly home, whatever, it was just very easy and business friendly. This is something the new DEN will have to grow into.

When I brought up some of the main selling points you and others have mentioned here, they just mumbled and shook their heads.
It didn't matter to them. Or if it did, it is something they've never really though about believe it or not. These were not aviation enthusiasts, but business people.

People who live outside of Colorado who use the airport for connecting, feel as if the new DEN is a gift directly from Heaven. Its what I am hearing here. BUT, Locally, the issue is still somewhat polarized, and not as easily defined.

Ssides is only expressing a valid concern of people who use the airport on a most regular basis, or who live in the heart of Denver.
Yes, I can see how his statements can be seen as outrageous, but that doesn't make his views any less valid. To understand what he said requires looking at the issue from both sides.

Things like this take years to change. Take Dulles for example. For decades, Dulles was avoided like the plague. You flew there because it was the only choice, not because it was actually what you wanted to do.
Even when National was nowhere as nice as it is today, it was still the preferred airport over Dulles hands down. Even today there is this aversion.
This same mindset can be seen in Dallas, New York, Chicago, London, Tokyo, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo to name a few.

I think you should all give Sides a break, he's not talking out of his ass like some of you think, it's a very complex issue that is not as easy to get a handle on as some of you all would like it to be.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13523 times:

Quoting Jetter2 (Reply 15):
DFW is friggin huge! I love it here. 7 Runways, and 4(soon to be 5) terminals. This is one of my all time favorite airports. It is big, and the way it is setup allows you to see EVERYTHING from you're seat in the terminal.

God bless Dallas

I wish God would bless us here with some new international carriers to fill up this new Terminal D!!



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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13381 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 20):
Back on topic, I'm sure that ASE is #1 in terminal space


LOL! Now *thats* funny!

On the other hand, if you said "Solar heated terminal space" you may be right!



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User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13332 times:

DTW is 10.48 square miles. That's sort of big. PIT is 15.625 sq. miles. That's big. Denver is huge because of all the free land around it. It's hardly farmable, and with the set-up of the runways, those long extensions account for all the land mass. It takes about 15 minutes at highway speeds to get from the terminal outside of the zone area.

[Edited 2005-07-14 22:29:19]


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25 AADC10 : I wonder what the largest actual usable airfield is? Riyadh is mostly open desert and much of DIA's land is "buffer" zone for noise mitigation. In the
26 BryanG : In the USA, the most compact airport would probably be either LGA or MDW. Better check the numbers on passenger movements divided by land area. MDW's
27 Aa777jr : I wish God would bless us here with some new international carriers to fill up this new Terminal D!! Amen brother!
28 Trekster : People wont just be flying into LHR and LGW though MAN is accessed from lots of places in the globe. Also at least one thing is gonna be held up here,
29 Post contains images Nosedive : What, APA and Netjets not your style?? at the moment yes, but the airport was designed with growth in mind. Max buildout at DEN is 12 runways, IIRC.
30 Continental : Actually, as big as MCO appears to be, it's 23 sq. miles. That's still huge! It is the 3rd largest in the country after Denver and Dallas. 1. Denver
31 Apollo13 : Does anybody have any pictures of Riyadh intl from the air or the ground? I would really like to see its size.
32 N1120A : Actually, if you want to go by aircraft movements, it is almost certainly VNY.
33 SparkingWave : Instead of the 2nd largest airport in the world, maybe a better direction this thread could go in is which airports are the 1st and 2nd least stressfu
34 Stirling : or "TO" ATL. But you are correct. What's more important, convienence, or efficiency? The year after I left Denver, (1984) I was flying the old Fronti
35 AirFrnt : White Elephant? Boondogle? Even if DIA did go considerably above budget, take a look at what ATL, ORD and LAX are going thru trying to upgrade their
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