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SAA JNB - IAD - JNB Route  
User currently offlineDavied From South Africa, joined Oct 2004, 24 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Hey Everyone
Does anyone have any idea what passenger loads
have been like on the new JNB-IAD-JNB route since it
started at the beginning of this month? How long
does the flight take?
Thanks

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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2835 times:
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Hey Davied

I'm not sure what the loads have been like. With regards to the flying time I can give you the following info:

JNB-ACC 06 hours
ACC-IAD 11 hours

IAD-ACC 09 hours 55 minutes
ACC-JNB 05 hours 50 minues

There is a one hour fuel stop in both directions, as well as pax boarding and disembarking on the JNB-ACC-JNB sectors.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 1):
There is a one hour fuel stop in both directions, as well as pax boarding and disembarking on the JNB-ACC-JNB sectors.

Is that to say that SAA do not uplift pax in ACC en-route to IAD? I would have thought that they would need to to make the venture viable?


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
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Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 2):
Is that to say that SAA do not uplift pax in ACC en-route to IAD? I would have thought that they would need to to make the venture viable?

Currently SAA does not have rights to uplift pax in ACC to carry them to IAD and vice versa - however, that does not mean that the loads will necessarily be low.


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SA7700



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User currently offlineAA54Heavy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Is this flight the only service that SAA offers between JNB and ACC? If it is, it seems like quite a guessing game as to how many seats to sell to ACC, and how many to IAD, and also thus any seats sold to ACC, will be empty to IAD.......are the fares for the JNB-IAD route any significantly higher than those to ATL or JFK, where there really is not much traffic going to/from Dakar or Sal?


Roger that, turning to our "other" left
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 4):
are the fares for the JNB-IAD route any significantly higher than those to ATL or JFK, where there really is not much traffic going to/from Dakar or Sal?

SAA carrier significant local traffic on JFK-DKR. That's the reason they fly it. The flight could be flown non-stop with 744s as in the past.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
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Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 4):
Is this flight the only service that SAA offers between JNB and ACC? If it is, it seems like quite a guessing game as to how many seats to sell to ACC, and how many to IAD, and also thus any seats sold to ACC, will be empty to IAD.......are the fares for the JNB-IAD route any significantly higher than those to ATL or JFK, where there really is not much traffic going to/from Dakar or Sal?

Affirmative, the 4x weekly service to and from IAD via ACC, is the only SA service between JNB-ACC-JNB. SAA make use of price discrimination and have dedicated flight controllers that closely monitors the loads on the flights - thus giving them the power to "block" and "dump" seats on the open market on a daily basis.

As MAH4546 stated, SA carry a significant number of pax between DKR-JFK-DKR - I have witnessed this myself.


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SA7700



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User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

obviously the demand is there for it or they would not have invested so much into the operation of the flight.

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