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USairways Future In JFK  
User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

With the merger coming up and transcons dissapearing what will be the future of JFK and what role will it play in this new airline?
WIll there be a PHL express flight and CLT?
BEing that JFK is an important HUB for Star Alliance it should make sence to put more frequencies to PHX and LAS.
Starting October JFK will only be served by A320's since the 757's will be dedicated to the new Hawaii service.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting CactusTECH (Thread starter):
BEing that JFK is an important HUB for Star Alliance

Not nearly as important as it is a OneWorld and SkyTeam hub



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

I would imagine that once the dust settles, US would only offer JFK-LAS and JFK-PHX only. US doesn't have a need to link any other cities from/to JFK given their schedules at the other NYC airports.

JFK is not that big of a hub for Star Alliance as compared to SkyTeam and OneWorld. Star Alliance international airlines (most notably LH) at JFK rely mostly on O&D and had been serving JFK long before the alliances were established.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

US would probably just maintain their minimal presence at JFK and EWR since they have a huge operation at LGA.


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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3876 times:

it seems to me since its HP management is running the show...the current operation at JFK (18 flts in/out daily) would remain essentially unchanged...perhaps the "new" US may consider utilizing a wide body to LAS or PHX due to JFK being a huge cargo dest...otherwise I don't see much change...

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3844 times:

Flights to PHX and LAS you can expect to remain at current levels, since they are outside of the LGA perimeter rule. The LAX and SFO transcons are being discontinued as flights with increased stage length will be acquired through the merger into other markets.

After the HP/US merger:

1. JFK is to be the smallest USAirways station in metro-NYC (not counting ISP/HPN/SWF).
2. EWR will carry on with roughly the combined level of flight activity of both airlines (flights to PHX, LAS, CLT, PHL, PIT, DCA).
3. LGA will be the biggest NYC-area operation, with flight activity close to current US levels.



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3805 times:

With the various long haul flights operated by S* carriers into JFK (NRT, BKK, GRU, ICN, etc), you would figure a few flights as feeders from CLT, and PHL would work.


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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 6):
With the various long haul flights operated by S* carriers into JFK (NRT, BKK, GRU, ICN, etc), you would figure a few flights as feeders from CLT, and PHL would work.

I guess US Airways could care less about that otherwise they would have thought about those flights already. I think we depend a little to much on this "alliance" factor. I really don't see the difference because one airline in an alliance is not going to give up a route to give it to another alliance member. They are still competitors no matter how you look at it.

LUV4JFK
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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5065 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

The 757s will not be dedicated to Hawaii services. They will be slingshotted through the hubs out to Hawaii--I'm sure they are not going to just do PHX/LAS-Hawaii and back all the time. Will you see fewer 757s in the system--maybe--but remember USAirways is bringing in their sizeable fleet of 757s too.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

I don't think we will see any major changes....I'd love to see a DCA-JFK feeder flight to connect to JFK's massive amount of international flights.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
don't think we will see any major changes....I'd love to see a DCA-JFK feeder flight to connect to JFK's massive amount of international flights.

Why? When you can do DCA-PHL on the carrier's own metal?


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 10):
Why? When you can do DCA-PHL on the carrier's own metal?

I think the number of international destinations is a little bigger from JFK, than PHL.



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 11):
I think the number of international destinations is a little bigger from JFK, than PHL.

Not on the combined US/HP routemap. If it is an int'l connection, spotting aside, I'll take PHL over JFK anyday.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

The code-share with Royal Jordanian is expected to remain in place. Since JFK is a gateway for RJ, this could open up new connection possibilities for some cities on the East Coast to connect to Amman.


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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 13):
The code-share with Royal Jordanian is expected to remain in place. Since JFK is a gateway for RJ, this could open up new connection possibilities for some cities on the East Coast to connect to Amman.



John 3:16

Nowhere near as comprehensive as NW/KL


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

CLT used to have JFK service through US for a long time...but in the past 5 years or so US completely pulled out of JFK.

CLT only has a 1 JFK flight on Delta. I would love to see US pick up a JFK flight again...especially now with the Air Train making JFK very easy to get to from Manhatten.


User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Hp managment will keep their codeshare with Royal Jordanian as well as Virgin Atlantic after the merger and this was said by our CEO in a townhall meeting.
JFK will see the 757's afer October due to the ETOPS program to Hawaii. Since US cannot fly to LAS and PHX from LGA, they should increase the frequencies at JFK


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 12):
Not on the combined US/HP routemap. If it is an int'l connection, spotting aside, I'll take PHL over JFK anyday.

????? PHL does not even have 1/4 of the Intl Destinations served compared to JFK...


User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Hp managment will keep their codeshare with Royal Jordanian as well as Virgin Atlantic after the merger and this was said by our CEO in a townhall meeting.
JFK will see the 757's afer October due to the ETOPS program to Hawaii. Since US cannot fly to LAS and PHX from LGA, they should increase the frequencies at JFK


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 17):
Quoting N77014 (Reply 12):
Not on the combined US/HP routemap. If it is an int'l connection, spotting aside, I'll take PHL over JFK anyday.

????? PHL does not even have 1/4 of the Intl Destinations served compared to JFK...

True. But if all you need to go to Europe is on the HP/US route map, why endure JFK? The point is, no need to expand connections to JFK, when PHL is an excellent gateway from the USA to Europe. On Airways metal.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

A lot depends on how closely the new HP/US coordinates with STAR Alliance members - especially the European and Asian members of the alliance that offer service from JFK.

Nonstops from JFK to PHX and LAS will continue - we may or may not see increased frequencies or bigger aircraft on these routes. I think that at some point a JFK-CLT flight may be introduced, with RJs, once or twice per day as US builds the CLT hub to increase choice for NYC travellers and to connect with longhaul flights at JFK offered by STAR alliance members. I do not see so much more happening at JFK for the combined US/HP - JFK is not a big STAR hub and for domestic operations, NYC travellers prefer LGA and EWR whenever possible.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Not on the combined US/HP routemap. If it is an int'l connection, spotting aside, I'll take PHL over JFK anyday.

True. But if all you need to go to Europe is on the HP/US route map, why endure JFK? The point is, no need to expand connections to JFK, when PHL is an excellent gateway from the USA to Europe. On Airways metal.


If you want to go from DCA-Paris or London, sure....But JFK can get you to Istanbul, Moscow, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Amman, Dubai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Sydney, shall I continue?


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 21):
If you want to go from DCA-Paris or London, sure....But JFK can get you to Istanbul, Moscow, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Amman, Dubai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Sydney, shall I continue?

Sure. From FRA on a Star Alliance connection!


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Sure. From FRA on a Star Alliance connection!

You really think anybody would fly DCA-PHL-FRA-NRT? Keep dreaming.

JFK would offer one stop connections to MANY markets for DC travellers who would rather use DCA than drive out to IAD.

[Edited 2005-07-15 19:02:22]

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 23):
Sure. From FRA on a Star Alliance connection!

You really think anybody would fly DCA-PHL-FRA-NRT? Keep dreaming.

JFK would offer one stop connections to MANY markets for DC travellers who would rather use DCA than drive out to IAD.

[Edited 2005-07-15 19:02:22]

You are picking up stix now...Yes, NH provides daily JFK service to NRT. And my post never concerned the DCA traveller; more to the *Alliance cutomer who is a regular on US, and how well they are served via PHL, and wants to keep their mileage in-house.


25 CactusTECH : Star Alliance at JFK: Lufthansa United Asiana Austrian soon will be South African Varig ANA
26 Mikephotos : add.. Air Canada LOT Polish Singapore Airlines Thai Mike
27 CactusTECH : thanks mike for the update!! i knew i was missing something
28 Mikephotos : sure, not a problem. i didn't think there were that many star carriers at jfk but wow, i guess so. mike
29 RJpieces : You are picking up stix now...Yes, NH provides daily JFK service to NRT. And my post never concerned the DCA traveller; more to the *Alliance cutomer
30 Flyguy1 : Krakow as well. Some travellers may prefer connecting in an american airport, as opposed to FRA.[Edited 2005-07-15 20:40:28]
31 Cubsrule : Just about any *A customer east of the Mississippi who wants the mileage in house need only connect in ORD or IAD with UA... no need for a flight to
32 STT757 : To get to Istanbul, Moscow, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Amman and Dubai most Star affiliated folks would probably fly LH out of IAD and connect in FRA if they a
33 RJpieces : To get to Istanbul, Moscow, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Amman and Dubai most Star affiliated folks would probably fly LH out of IAD and connect in FRA if they ar
34 Dutchjet : This reminds me of when, back when BA and US were partners, US would fly a DH8 from DCA to JFK that was timed to allow a direct connection to BA's Co
35 LGA777 : I would hope somewhere down the line maybe some limited Caribbean flying out of JFK on routes US can not serve from LGA because of Customs and the per
36 Post contains links A330323X : No, more frequencies wouldn't help; you just need the one frequency that connects with the international bank. I believe US will start an RJ to CLT t
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