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Alitalia's Fleet Plans - 2008 (Image Included)  
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14048 times:

Hopefully this works. This is a brochure (with some errors) that was found on Politica Online - Aviazione Civile (an Italian Aviation Forum). Basically it outlines Alitalia's fleet plans by end of year 2008:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/FlyIce2/AZ_Fleet.jpg

The fleet is seen as having the following changes:

+4 777-243ER
+3 767-300ER
-5 MD-82
+12 EMBRAER 170/190

AZ is looking for long-haul capacity and seems poised to fill that need with the addition of 4 777 and 3 763s as an interim solution. They continue to look at the 787 aircraft and I've heard are planning on replacing their 763s with the 787 when the time is right.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

[Edited 2005-07-15 16:08:51]


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14004 times:

thanks!!! what suprisses me is that only 5 MD-80s will leave the fleet untill 2008 and that 5 MD-11's will stay untill then!! (guess 2 or 3 are full cargo)

User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14000 times:

Umm... why are A320 and 767 reversed on that picture?? Thought the airline of Alitalia's magnitude would recognize the types of their own planes...

...that plus it's nice to see them getting more 777s Big grin



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13940 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1):
and that 5 MD-11's will stay untill then!! (guess 2 or 3 are full cargo)

All 5 MD11s are going to be conv. to Cargo. The airline will use them for all cargo routes as the remainder 742's on lease are let go.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Umm... why are A320 and 767 reversed on that picture?? Thought the airline of Alitalia's magnitude would recognize the types of their own planes...

Yeah, that and the ATR72 fleet has a picture of an ATR42. Mistakes are made. No big deal.



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13910 times:

Nice to see Alitalia getting more Biggies! Does anyone know which routes these new aircraft will do?

P.S Hope to see them back at YUL!!! Big grin


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13893 times:

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 4):
Nice to see Alitalia getting more Biggies! Does anyone know which routes these new aircraft will do?

AZ is looking to restart HKG and LAX service last I heard. Both routes did well from a PAX and Cargo standpoint. Hopefully they'll find the fleet utilization to go back to SFO (Baw716 may have more info on this?)...



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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13833 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
AZ is looking to restart HKG and LAX service last I heard. Both routes did well from a PAX and Cargo standpoint. Hopefully they'll find the fleet utilization to go back to SFO (Baw716 may have more info on this?)...

Thanx for the info. I was wishing to see them back at YUL back but I don't think they'll come back in this decade.  Sad


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13760 times:

Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 6):
Thanx for the info. I was wishing to see them back at YUL back but I don't think they'll come back in this decade.

Unfortunately, havn't heard anything about YUL yet. I know YYZ makes more money for them so I would continue to expect them to serve just YYZ for a while.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13615 times:

Dont worry StarAlliance.

When AZ released their 2004 master plan for future long-haul destinations, YUL and LAX were released as potential new destinations in North America.

So we'll see what happens.


User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 8):
Dont worry StarAlliance.

When AZ released their 2004 master plan for future long-haul destinations, YUL and LAX were released as potential new destinations in North America.

THANX MAN!!!! You made my day Big grin


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13522 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 8):
Dont worry StarAlliance.

When AZ released their 2004 master plan for future long-haul destinations, YUL and LAX were released as potential new destinations in North America.

So we'll see what happens.

My bad, you're right, just relooked at last year's masterplan. Who knows tho, things changed.

Presumeably, it will be a 4x weekly MXP-YUL and 2x FCO-YUL all on 763 metal.

LAX will get daily 777 from MXP and HKG will go 4x 777 MXP-HKG and 3x 777 FCO-MXP



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Good news to see them expand. The talk of LAX-MXP resuming has consistent since before they even ended LAX-MXP, lol. Hopefully it comes to reality soon.

I would like to see them add a seasonal MIA-FCO. Maybe 2-3x a week. They cut that route a few years ago to make MIA-MXP daily. Milan is the bigger market from Miami, but there is definitley a market for Rome service, at least during the winter months. Here's hoping.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13432 times:

Is it just me or is that 737-300ER just a A320 blown up ....lol. Gotta love it

made me laugh!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13417 times:

Too bad they won't be buying any a380's. I would love to see them in AZ colours, but they unfortunately don't have the routes.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Is it just me or is that 737-300ER just a A320 blown up ....lol. Gotta love it

made me laugh!

I think the 763 and A320 images are reversed.



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User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 876 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13402 times:

what are the chances of AZ starting service into DTW? Especially if NW can get the codeshare agreements it wants from the government.


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13150 times:

Alitalia744,

Do you have a copy of that master plan?


User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12915 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Umm... why are A320 and 767 reversed on that picture?? Thought the airline of Alitalia's magnitude would recognize the types of their own planes...

LOL...thats the first thing I noticed. Can somebody say....dooh!! Nice litte mix up there Alitalia!

Oh, and another thing, why are all the cargo doors on the 777 painted on the left side of the plane? LOL

[Edited 2005-07-15 23:11:43]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12902 times:

Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 15):
what are the chances of AZ starting service into DTW? Especially if NW can get the codeshare agreements it wants from the government.

A longshot. Northwest already flies DTW-FCO, and Alitalia doesn't even fly to Atlanta or Cincinnati, they put their code on Delta flights.

Alitalia isn't Air France. They don't have a huge long-haul fleet to start flying anywhere. If a partner can handle the route, they will leave it to their partner.

NW and AZ had an extensive codeshare agreement until Alitalia joined skyTeam and AZ never flew to DTW during that time. Instead, NW started DTW-FCO and DTW-MXP. The Milan flight performed horribly, however, and lasted only a few months.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Seems like a reasonable fleet plan - future growth is in longhaul. I wonder whether the additonal 763s will be acquired on the second hand market or if Boeing will offer AZ a very good deal on new 763s (especially if they were ordered in connection with additional 777s or a in connection with a 787 order) that would help keep the 767 line up and running.

This presentation seems to indicate that AZ has no futher A32X orders on the books and the MD80 will remain a backbone of the AZ shorthaul fleet for the coming years. The replacement of 70 aircraft in the 130-150 seat class will surely be a major battleground between A and B when AZ is ready to think about replacing its MD80s- that will be an interesting order to watch.


User currently offlineIDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12768 times:

In matter of AZ fleet plans, I don't understand how they chose the MD-82s to be retired: instead of retiring the oldest ones, the early I-DAW* tail numbers, they retired many I-DAV* planes (younger than I-DAW*) together with the last I-DAW* (I-DAWW, I-DAWY, I-DAWZ).
It appears that the most of the retired planes were inherited from ATI, and they feature an all-economy Y164 seating. The oldest I-DAW* are in a mixed CY131 configuration, instead.

Any thoughts?

I-DAWA.



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User currently offlineLuniew From Poland, joined Feb 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11536 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Is it just me or is that 737-300ER just a A320 blown up ....lol. Gotta love it

made me laugh!

I think the 763 and A320 images are reversed.

They didn't have a large pic of 767 so they used 320 instead of 767, it wouldn't look good if 320 was bigger than 767. 90% of ppl. wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways.


User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11431 times:

Quoting Luniew (Reply 21):
They didn't have a large pic of 767 so they used 320 instead of 767, it wouldn't look good if 320 was bigger than 767. 90% of ppl. wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways.

That makes more sense Big grin


User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11368 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Thread starter):
I've heard are planning on replacing their 763s with the 787 when the time is right.

I wish they would do that. I was hoping they would get rid of their 767's but if they are getting new one's they will probably keep them for 10 years maybe.


User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11347 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Is it just me or is that 737-300ER just a A320 blown up ....lol. Gotta love it

I was just going to say the same thing! You can tell, Boeing doesn't have winglets like that.


25 STARalliance24 : I think they said it a THOUSAND TIMES!!!!!! They switched the A320 and 767 around for the customers.
26 Post contains images 777ER : Wow, its awesome to see AZ will still have the MD11 in the fleet by 2008 . Good to see the Mad Dogs will slowly be retired from the fleet, what will b
27 Baw716 : That sounds about right for the AZ fleet plan. To some of you who may be thinking why AZ is not getting rid of the MD80s faster, here is the reason: M
28 YUL332LX : YUL is not likely to happen in 2006. The phase 2 of the 2005-2008 business plan has essentially been postponed by two years and the purchase of new l
29 Kappel : Yeah, gotta love those MD11's!!
30 NASCARAirforce : I am surprised by 2008 they aren't looking at the 787 yet and are instead ordering 767s
31 Rafabozzolla : I personally think that AZ will not be competitive unless they try to concentrate daily long haul flights on a SINGLE hub, and move some domestic flig
32 Post contains images HanginOut : Alitalia does know this, the problem is that of Italian politics. If Alitalia were to make MXP the hub, Southern Italians would be up in arms and Nor
33 Baw716 : HanginOut, Your assessment is dead on correct. Alitalia is stuck with a dual hub system for exactly that reason and that situation will not change. Th
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