Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4712 posts, RR: 47 Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13111 times:
Hopefully this works. This is a brochure (with some errors) that was found on Politica Online - Aviazione Civile (an Italian Aviation Forum). Basically it outlines Alitalia's fleet plans by end of year 2008:
The fleet is seen as having the following changes:
AZ is looking for long-haul capacity and seems poised to fill that need with the addition of 4 777 and 3 763s as an interim solution. They continue to look at the 787 aircraft and I've heard are planning on replacing their 763s with the 787 when the time is right.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4712 posts, RR: 47 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12956 times:
Quoting STARalliance24 (Reply 4): Nice to see Alitalia getting more Biggies! Does anyone know which routes these new aircraft will do?
AZ is looking to restart HKG and LAX service last I heard. Both routes did well from a PAX and Cargo standpoint. Hopefully they'll find the fleet utilization to go back to SFO (Baw716 may have more info on this?)...
STARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12896 times:
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5): AZ is looking to restart HKG and LAX service last I heard. Both routes did well from a PAX and Cargo standpoint. Hopefully they'll find the fleet utilization to go back to SFO (Baw716 may have more info on this?)...
Thanx for the info. I was wishing to see them back at YUL back but I don't think they'll come back in this decade.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31803 posts, RR: 72 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12513 times:
Good news to see them expand. The talk of LAX-MXP resuming has consistent since before they even ended LAX-MXP, lol. Hopefully it comes to reality soon.
I would like to see them add a seasonal MIA-FCO. Maybe 2-3x a week. They cut that route a few years ago to make MIA-MXP daily. Milan is the bigger market from Miami, but there is definitley a market for Rome service, at least during the winter months. Here's hoping.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31803 posts, RR: 72 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11965 times:
Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 15): what are the chances of AZ starting service into DTW? Especially if NW can get the codeshare agreements it wants from the government.
A longshot. Northwest already flies DTW-FCO, and Alitalia doesn't even fly to Atlanta or Cincinnati, they put their code on Delta flights.
Alitalia isn't Air France. They don't have a huge long-haul fleet to start flying anywhere. If a partner can handle the route, they will leave it to their partner.
NW and AZ had an extensive codeshare agreement until Alitalia joined skyTeam and AZ never flew to DTW during that time. Instead, NW started DTW-FCO and DTW-MXP. The Milan flight performed horribly, however, and lasted only a few months.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11932 times:
Seems like a reasonable fleet plan - future growth is in longhaul. I wonder whether the additonal 763s will be acquired on the second hand market or if Boeing will offer AZ a very good deal on new 763s (especially if they were ordered in connection with additional 777s or a in connection with a 787 order) that would help keep the 767 line up and running.
This presentation seems to indicate that AZ has no futher A32X orders on the books and the MD80 will remain a backbone of the AZ shorthaul fleet for the coming years. The replacement of 70 aircraft in the 130-150 seat class will surely be a major battleground between A and B when AZ is ready to think about replacing its MD80s- that will be an interesting order to watch.
IDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11831 times:
In matter of AZ fleet plans, I don't understand how they chose the MD-82s to be retired: instead of retiring the oldest ones, the early I-DAW* tail numbers, they retired many I-DAV* planes (younger than I-DAW*) together with the last I-DAW* (I-DAWW, I-DAWY, I-DAWZ).
It appears that the most of the retired planes were inherited from ATI, and they feature an all-economy Y164 seating. The oldest I-DAW* are in a mixed CY131 configuration, instead.
STARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10494 times:
Quoting Luniew (Reply 21): They didn't have a large pic of 767 so they used 320 instead of 767, it wouldn't look good if 320 was bigger than 767. 90% of ppl. wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways.