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DL 777 Overhead Bins - Why 2 Styles?  
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

in this picture, there clearly are two different heights for overhead bins in the center section. If you look at the foreground portion of coach, the bins are signficantly lower than the forward section, anyone know why?


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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

I really hate to tell you this. but it is because the front ones are open and the back ones are closed. You might want to delete this now before the flaming starts.

sorry.


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

Yea, it does look like they are different. I never noticed it before.


If not now, then when?
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 1):
I really hate to tell you this. but it is because the front ones are open and the back ones are closed. You might want to delete this now before the flaming starts.

I hate to tell you this, but they are clearly at a different height. It's not about being closed or open. you may want to relook before making ignorant comments.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9835 times:

I have been on 5 DL 777's in person, they are not different, it is a camera angle, bad lighting or because they are open. The photo editing is perhaps ignorant however.

Vive' Italia , Ciao


User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
I hate to tell you this, but they are clearly at a different height. It's not about being closed or open. you may want to relook before making ignorant comments.

At least he was trying to be polite about it... which is more than I can say for you.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9802 times:

Maybe I'm wrong, but perhaps the overhead crew rest areas DL installed are there?

Just looks like they're at different heights...the aircraft is in the new config, maybe? i dunno

if i'm wrong. sorry



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User currently offlineAbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 285 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

That is bizarre. I work in the world of digital publishing, so I am farely used to analyzing and editing digital photos. None of those bins over the center seats are open, but some clearly curve differently so as not to extend into the cabin. My first thought was that it gives the illusion that center bins from a new 767 with Signature interior were installed in a 777 by accident (before someone foolishly decides to tell me why that would never be possible, i did only say that it "gives the illusion.")

I know all too well that one can never trust a digital image, but this one does not show signs of being altered and does seem to show strangely disparate bins.

What is going on in this photo? Does Boeing offer bins in two different capacities for the 777, in addition to the option of no center bins?


User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9798 times:

I definately noticed that difference earlier. There is a difference or a crazy optical allusion. Any answers as to why?

User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

it's just bad photo editing. Apparently the standards for pictures are getting worse since Jetphotos.net accepts all kinds of crap these days.


They are the same, really I have been on the plane.


User currently offlineAbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 285 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9770 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 9):
it's just bad photo editing. Apparently the standards for pictures are getting worse since Jetphotos.net accepts all kinds of crap these days.

Please elaborate on what sort of "bad editing" you believe to be causing such a clear difference in bin extension from the ceiling.

Like I said, I am something of an expert in digital photo editing. I have edited thousands of photos in the most ethical of ways and the most unethical of ways (once again, before anyone chooses to read my profile and attack me based on my age, I worked for and became exectuive editor of one of the top ten highschool publications in the nation and now, in college, work for a large daily circulation newspaper doing the same sort of work). This would have to be a very calculated, deliberate edit by a very skilled individual. A change in the depth of those bins would involve hours of work and could not just happen accidently.


User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9770 times:

I guess upon further investigation, it might just be the shadows/shade. From far away it blends together to look normal... Also, it can't be the above crew rest, because that would be way farther up front in Biz elite on the 777. There was a thread showing the storage bin change on a MD11 for the crew rest, but this appears to not be the case.

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9769 times:

Didn't delta install the new Boeing crew rest areas in the Crown of the 777? I know they've been offered for a few years but only a few company's use them...KLM comes to mind....most use convential cargohold ones.

The point is...if there is a crew rest area squeezed up there it may explain the change...as this photo is obviously taken from the back of the aircraft.

Also guys look at the PSU..... if these where opened, the back of the bins would not line up flushly with them... they'd be deeper down...see the open unit in the forward of the cabin...

The other point to note is look at the very beggining of the section in question. There is a small stip, a few inches wide, that is in the shpe of a bin but can't be opened...as if to say..this is a new section starting and this is excess space we are either filling or using for cables etc.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 10):
A change in the depth of those bins would involve hours of work and could not just happen accidently.

Because the photo is not accurate. the shadow or angle (perhaps editing is not a good term) is not correct.

I think the favorite reject line should be used here "Bad Motive"


User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9750 times:

They definitely are at a different height. Here's a pic of the same plane, same section (behind the biz seats), but from the front. If you look at the large size, in the upper left corner, you can see the difference.


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My guess is that there's something up there that necessitates the lower bins. What it is, I don't know.

[Edited 2005-07-16 08:02:12]


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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

I don't think its an illusion. The bins are diffinetly different sizes. Even the curvature of the bins up front is different from those in the rear.

fluffy


User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 12):
The point is...if there is a crew rest area squeezed up there it may explain the change...as this photo is obviously taken from the back of the aircraft.

I would think the crew rest area would be toward the front of the aircraft. Additionally, those overhead bins would be bigger, not smaller to compensate for the added area like on the MD11.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 15):
don't think its an illusion. The bins are diffinetly different sizes. Even the curvature of the bins up front is different from those in the rear.

They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 17):
They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.

Get of the ganja, man. LOOK at the pictures. BOTH of them.

fluffy


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 17):
They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.

Get off the ganja, man. LOOK at the pictures. BOTH of them.

fluffy


User currently offlineAbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 285 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13):
Because the photo is not accurate. the shadow or angle (perhaps editing is not a good term) is not correct.

I hate to have to correct you, but the photo was clearly taken with the aid of a fairly powerful fill flash. The head of the flash was slightly above the lowest point of the aft, lower section of bins, creating a conspicuous shadow that can be seen, formed as would be expected, just a bit as it expands on the surface of the higher center bins to the front, as well as straight across the bins down the left side of the aircraft. No shadow is out of place in this photo. The angle from which it was taken is similar to hundreds of 777 interior shots in the database. There is a physical difference in the bins. Below are the original shot and a similar shot from an AA bird. The AA 777 displays a continuity that just isn't there on the DL.


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Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 17):
They are the same size, someone from DL please stop the insanity.

Seriously, and with all due respect, the only "insanity" in this topic comes from you. Every other member who has responded can see clear differences from the two different angles that have now been shown of this same aircraft. Some have provided possible theories. I have explained why I am positive of this photo's accuracy from a technical standpoint and will be glad to analyze the other image for you as well. What more do you want, 1MillionFlyer?

[Edited 2005-07-16 08:10:03]

User currently offlineBroncoguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

They are not the same size, DL refitted their 777's with the overhead crew rest and I am sure that it is located right there. I have seen the same thing in several other pictures

User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

If it truly is the crew rest, how/where do you access it? There doesn't seem to be any sign of a ladder in the picture down the aisles.

User currently offlineAbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 285 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

Quoting PDXtriple7 (Reply 22):
If it truly is the crew rest, how/where do you access it? There doesn't seem to be any sign of a ladder in the picture down the aisles.

The ladder is concealed form passenger view behind a door near lavs or a galley if I remember correctly. It would certainly not be visible in these photos or most any other.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Quoting AbirdA (Reply 20):
I have explained why I am positive of this photo's accuracy from a technical standpoint and will be glad to analyze the other image for you as well. What more do you want, 1MillionFlyer?

I am sorry to report the pictures above are not helping.

One is from DL, one is from AA. Have you been on a DL 777? The bins are the same, really. the photo has a shadow or bad angle. they are all the same size.


25 Broncoguy : There is a galley right behind that section and the ladder/stairs are hidden in the galley so that pax cannot access it.
26 Post contains links FlyingNanook : Here is some info from Boeing regarding the overhead crew rest. Six- or seven-bunk flight attendant rest at door 3, available on the 777-200ER and 777
27 AbirdA : I was actually referring to a view from the front facing to the rear of the SAME exact aircraft. FlyingNanook offered it earlier to help you. I offer
28 Post contains links and images JpetekYXMD80 : Just explain the level of the center console then, 1millionflyer. You're wrong.
29 Broncoguy : Before you go attacking someone, remember that DL just recently (Within the last year or so) had their 777's refitted to include the crew rest for th
30 AbirdA : Thank you, JpetekYXMD80. I was considering a similar demonstration but decided it was too late.
31 1MillionFlyer : That is 2 rows only...if you have never been on the plane, get on one first then get back to me. The crew rest is nowhere near that area. And how s a
32 Ikramerica : That is door 3 area, and that is where the 6 bunk crew rest would be located on a 772ER. The stairs go up in the door 3 hallway/galley/lav area, and 3
33 JpetekYXMD80 : Being on the aircraft obviously hasn't helped you much, buddy. If you read other people that actually know what they're talking about on here, you wi
34 1MillionFlyer : Those planes are older for sure. I sat in the bulhead Aisle seat from CVG-CDG last year. The center bins are normal size forward of that bulkhead
35 AbirdA : Honestly, what are you talking about? Two rows of what? There is a difference here and everyone can see it but you. It has been explained from so man
36 Broncoguy : This would be the area that they are in... Biz class takes up the area between doors one and two and four rows in back of door two. then there is a s
37 FlyingNanook : That is where the cabin crew rest is according to info from Boeing. The flight crew rest is up front. For some reason, I feel like saying "Denial isn
38 Post contains links and images JpetekYXMD80 : really, thats intersting just look at those lines a drew in
39 Broncoguy : Once again, DL just in the last year or so refitted the planes to include this. So just because you sat in an aisle seat last year doesn't mean that t
40 1MillionFlyer : Get on the plane and tell me then, unbeleivable. Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it. Denial is bes
41 JpetekYXMD80 : They ARE lower. The area closest to the camera is where the crew rest is. All your stubbornness and denial. Who gives a shit if you've been on the pl
42 Broncoguy : the bins closer to the photographer are LOWER than all the other ones. Open your eyes and look. All the bins past that point are higher in the ceiling
43 AbirdA : The rest area is supposed to be located in the aft area of the section between doors 2 and 3. These photos show LOWER bins in the aft section of that
44 FlyingNanook : I agree, that's why the back bins are lower. What a concept!
45 JpetekYXMD80 : So you just admitted theres a difference?
46 Broncoguy : This is hilarious, I cant decide if 1millionflyer is blind or just stupid.
47 1MillionFlyer : Give it up. I have been on the plane you have never set foot on a DL 777. please stop the senseless attack. YES those 2 rows of center bins are HIGHE
48 AbirdA : I know, I love it! LOL. 1MillionFlyer can't cling to the fact that he's been on the plane and KNOWS there can't be a difference, so he concedes the d
49 Broncoguy : You were on the plane before it was refitted with the crew rest. so... Please stop being stupid and open your eyes and look, the bins are lower
50 FlyingNanook : And the question that started it all is about why there is a difference.
51 JpetekYXMD80 : HAHAHA I do hope you will some day realize what a fool you have made of yourself tonight. Find someone, anyone, that agrees with you. Go ahead.
52 1MillionFlyer : Get on the plane, see that the center bins are not that way all the way to the front, then get back to me. I suppose as a 16-20 year old you are a Boe
53 AbirdA : I am not sure what you're trying to say. It has been established in a number of ways that the bins immediately forward of door 3 extend lower into th
54 Broncoguy : I have been on the plane and I will tell you that you are wrong, the bins are LOWER there for the CREW REST that just happens to be right there, the r
55 FlyingNanook : Apparently you don't unsderstand that the thread starter doesn't care about the rest of the plane. He just cares about the different heights in this
56 JpetekYXMD80 : Like you. Fortunately I have common sense. and eyes. What are you talking about. First you said it was an optical illusion and that the bins were all
57 1MillionFlyer : I have been on 5, plus 4 UA and 6 AA. The point is that you decided to attack me for trying to point something out, if you need to call names to feel
58 AbirdA : That is quite funny, 1MillionFlyer. I specifically put in an earlier post my qulaifications in judging this, aside from my general commercial aviatio
59 Broncoguy : NO, you provoked the attack by being stupid and ignorant.
60 JpetekYXMD80 : I like how you attack age and 'maturity' when you have nothing left to stand on.
61 AbirdA : Well thanks for finally specifying how many DL 777s you have flown on. If it was only 4 you would have so much less credibility. You clearly flew bef
62 Broncoguy : Thank you for putting it this way, apparently some people need a new definition of maturity
63 AbirdA : No problem. I'm glad so many of us feel that 1MillionFlyer should not be able to stand on age and a tally of Delta aircraft flown as some misguided i
64 AbirdA : I know it's clunky to do this in its own post, but it seems my "Edit" links disappeared a little early for previous posts. Broncoguy, JpetekYXMD80 & F
65 Post contains links and images Vasu : I noticed this too when I flew DL from LGW to ATL. Right at the back of the plane, the bins revert back to the higher, flatter design for the last few
66 AbirdA : Thank you for yet another view of what we know to be true. The bins clustered near door 3 are lowered to make room for the crew rest. There is no que
67 Post contains images FlyingNanook : No! You shouldn't have mentioned anything! We'll have to go through this whole ordeal all over again! Besides, that's just some sort of mirror image
68 AbirdA : Hah! I should not have been decieved so easily!
69 Post contains images Newark777 : I'm sure that after 1MillionFlyer's one DL 777 flight he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Harry
70 AbirdA : No please don't forget, he has had five segments on a DL 777. That is well inside the defined expert territory.
71 TedTAce : 1MF, you are the reject on this thread..VERY BAD motive from post#1, and your incessant denials are making you look very foolish. Denial is not just
72 Post contains links and images Zone1 : I heard this was a Boeing/Delta marketing scheme to show what the cross sectional area is of an A330/340/350 cabin: View Large View MediumPhoto ©
73 Alitalia744 : Guys thanks for the responses, I was sure I wasn't seeing something as 1millionflyer pointed out. Also - UAalltheway - I'll accept your apology whenev
74 Post contains links and images Alitalia744 : What's also interesting is it seems to be (the lower bins) a result of the upper crew rest area being retrofitted. Alitalia was the first airline to f
75 1MillionFlyer : Ted, you usually are nice to me! This kid decided to start trashing me and everyone jumps on...so very nice. I have been on 5 DL 777, 2 AF 777, 4 UA
76 Post contains images Boeing Nut : Careful people, 1millionflyer might start to go off the deep end soon. He may start quoting one of those conspiracy websites that will start claiming
77 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh, so now you think differently? No, the picture clearly shows that they are of 2 different heights, which has been pointed out to you many times. W
78 Newark777 : I have been on 5 DL 777, 2 AF 777, 4 UA 777 and 6 AA 777 You keep pointing this out, and we keep pointing out that we don't give a damn. Some of the p
79 Wukka : Come on, man! Ad nauseum... And just now, 75 posts in, you say: What you are saying now makes absolutely no sense in regard to your initial postings.
80 1MillionFlyer : Yes, but since you guys have to keep putting me down I will not go away. He implied they were all the way to the front, they are not. All your put dow
81 Newark777 : Yes, but since you guys have to keep putting me down I will not go away. He implied they were all the way to the front, they are not. All your put dow
82 JpetekYXMD80 : IMPLIED WHAT WERE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT? Of course not, you already have changed your mind. Whats almost as bad? You being wrong? You do know t
83 1MillionFlyer : I can post back for all eternity also, LOL your opinion, my opinion, your opinion, my opinion..weeeee round and round we go! Dude they are overhead b
84 JpetekYXMD80 : Everyones opinion, your opinion, everyones opinion, your opinion. WEE!!!
85 1MillionFlyer : you are the only one doing the slamming your turn, go ahead. LOL
86 JpetekYXMD80 : Excuse me, choir boy. You asked for everything you got.
87 Post contains images Wukka : You dug your own hole on this one. Laugh about the fact that you posted no fewer than 12 posts in a thread about overhead bins? Yeah. That is pretty
88 1MillionFlyer : Thanks for pulling things ourt of context, you are really good at cut and paste. LOL round and round we go
89 JpetekYXMD80 : All you have to say is: Ok, i was mistaken, lets move on.
90 Wukka : You are really wrong. You still haven't addressed that one. 1MillionExcuses.
91 N766UA : Hahaha... I just read through what, 50 some odd posts and he's still fighting tooth and nail at this point. Buddy, the whole post was started because
92 Newark777 : 1MillionFlyer: You have already ruined your a.net reputation. Everything you say from this point forward in any forum will be greeted with remarks abo
93 Post contains links Broncoguy : 1millionflyer is too busy spreading more BS in other posts to apologize. See... AA 777 Transatlantic (by C172 Jul 16 2005 in Civil Aviation) (Reply 5)
94 1MillionFlyer : Attack of the 16-20 year olds! Isn't this fun, picking on people. That's good you can read 50 odd posts..Good for you! Reading is fundamental you know
95 TedTAce : Three simple words from you will end it 1MF, I am sorry..
96 Newark777 : That's good you can read 50 odd posts It's almost 100 posts by now. Counting is also fundamental, you should learn it sometime. Harry
97 JpetekYXMD80 : What on earth is your point. How is age any factor?
98 Post contains links Broncoguy : AA 777 Transatlantic (by C172 Jul 16 2005 in Civil Aviation) 1millionflyer's new reputation has already been spread to this post!
99 1MillionFlyer : Becuase this is just like high school, all the people that keep slamming me are 16-20 and acting like it. You cannot make your point and get respect b
100 Newark777 : You want an apology No we don't, we are just pointing out how wrong you are. Maybe Ted does, but we are all just happy to see you squirm here. Harry[E
101 MKEdude : Wow! And I thought I had nothing to do today.
102 1MillionFlyer : Exactly my point, Thanks for reimforcing it. Don't hold your breath
103 Wukka : Again, you've got your facts wrong. I'm 33. If you'd take the time to reread this entire thread, these 16-20 year-olds have, for the most part, been
104 Post contains images Mav75 : I thought Denial was a river in Egypt I'm impressed...and I suppose you have a 777 A&P license as well. Thanks to you, this thread has downgraded fro
105 APFPilot1985 : I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that 1MF isnt what he says he is. In his profile he says that he is 36-45. I have never seen someone who is
106 Post contains images DL021 : OK...since I am new to the conversation, have flown on every one of DLs 777s (both pre and post conversion), and am way older than 16-20....I'll jump
107 Kjet12 : Thanks for some cheap entertainment guys! 1MillionFlyer, I suggest you stop where you are since you are just digging yourself a deeper hole. Kris
108 Post contains images LeonB1985 : Wow, what a lot of posts! Sometimes, we just have to admit to having made a little mistake. It's often a case of the longer it goes on, the more stupi
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