Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4710 posts, RR: 46 Posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9352 times:
in this picture, there clearly are two different heights for overhead bins in the center section. If you look at the foreground portion of coach, the bins are signficantly lower than the forward section, anyone know why?
AbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 269 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9283 times:
That is bizarre. I work in the world of digital publishing, so I am farely used to analyzing and editing digital photos. None of those bins over the center seats are open, but some clearly curve differently so as not to extend into the cabin. My first thought was that it gives the illusion that center bins from a new 767 with Signature interior were installed in a 777 by accident (before someone foolishly decides to tell me why that would never be possible, i did only say that it "gives the illusion.")
I know all too well that one can never trust a digital image, but this one does not show signs of being altered and does seem to show strangely disparate bins.
What is going on in this photo? Does Boeing offer bins in two different capacities for the 777, in addition to the option of no center bins?
AbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 269 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9252 times:
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 9): it's just bad photo editing. Apparently the standards for pictures are getting worse since Jetphotos.net accepts all kinds of crap these days.
Please elaborate on what sort of "bad editing" you believe to be causing such a clear difference in bin extension from the ceiling.
Like I said, I am something of an expert in digital photo editing. I have edited thousands of photos in the most ethical of ways and the most unethical of ways (once again, before anyone chooses to read my profile and attack me based on my age, I worked for and became exectuive editor of one of the top ten highschool publications in the nation and now, in college, work for a large daily circulation newspaper doing the same sort of work). This would have to be a very calculated, deliberate edit by a very skilled individual. A change in the depth of those bins would involve hours of work and could not just happen accidently.
PDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9252 times:
I guess upon further investigation, it might just be the shadows/shade. From far away it blends together to look normal... Also, it can't be the above crew rest, because that would be way farther up front in Biz elite on the 777. There was a thread showing the storage bin change on a MD11 for the crew rest, but this appears to not be the case.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3169 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9251 times:
Didn't delta install the new Boeing crew rest areas in the Crown of the 777? I know they've been offered for a few years but only a few company's use them...KLM comes to mind....most use convential cargohold ones.
The point is...if there is a crew rest area squeezed up there it may explain the change...as this photo is obviously taken from the back of the aircraft.
Also guys look at the PSU..... if these where opened, the back of the bins would not line up flushly with them... they'd be deeper down...see the open unit in the forward of the cabin...
The other point to note is look at the very beggining of the section in question. There is a small stip, a few inches wide, that is in the shpe of a bin but can't be opened...as if to say..this is a new section starting and this is excess space we are either filling or using for cables etc.
FlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9232 times:
They definitely are at a different height. Here's a pic of the same plane, same section (behind the biz seats), but from the front. If you look at the large size, in the upper left corner, you can see the difference.
AbirdA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 269 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9203 times:
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13): Because the photo is not accurate. the shadow or angle (perhaps editing is not a good term) is not correct.
I hate to have to correct you, but the photo was clearly taken with the aid of a fairly powerful fill flash. The head of the flash was slightly above the lowest point of the aft, lower section of bins, creating a conspicuous shadow that can be seen, formed as would be expected, just a bit as it expands on the surface of the higher center bins to the front, as well as straight across the bins down the left side of the aircraft. No shadow is out of place in this photo. The angle from which it was taken is similar to hundreds of 777 interior shots in the database. There is a physical difference in the bins. Below are the original shot and a similar shot from an AA bird. The AA 777 displays a continuity that just isn't there on the DL.
Seriously, and with all due respect, the only "insanity" in this topic comes from you. Every other member who has responded can see clear differences from the two different angles that have now been shown of this same aircraft. Some have provided possible theories. I have explained why I am positive of this photo's accuracy from a technical standpoint and will be glad to analyze the other image for you as well. What more do you want, 1MillionFlyer?
1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9173 times:
Quoting AbirdA (Reply 20): I have explained why I am positive of this photo's accuracy from a technical standpoint and will be glad to analyze the other image for you as well. What more do you want, 1MillionFlyer?
I am sorry to report the pictures above are not helping.
One is from DL, one is from AA. Have you been on a DL 777? The bins are the same, really. the photo has a shadow or bad angle. they are all the same size.
25 Broncoguy: There is a galley right behind that section and the ladder/stairs are hidden in the galley so that pax cannot access it.
26 FlyingNanook: Here is some info from Boeing regarding the overhead crew rest. Six- or seven-bunk flight attendant rest at door 3, available on the 777-200ER and 777
27 AbirdA: I was actually referring to a view from the front facing to the rear of the SAME exact aircraft. FlyingNanook offered it earlier to help you. I offer
28 JpetekYXMD80: Just explain the level of the center console then, 1millionflyer. You're wrong.
29 Broncoguy: Before you go attacking someone, remember that DL just recently (Within the last year or so) had their 777's refitted to include the crew rest for th
30 AbirdA: Thank you, JpetekYXMD80. I was considering a similar demonstration but decided it was too late.
31 1MillionFlyer: That is 2 rows only...if you have never been on the plane, get on one first then get back to me. The crew rest is nowhere near that area. And how s a
32 Ikramerica: That is door 3 area, and that is where the 6 bunk crew rest would be located on a 772ER. The stairs go up in the door 3 hallway/galley/lav area, and 3
33 JpetekYXMD80: Being on the aircraft obviously hasn't helped you much, buddy. If you read other people that actually know what they're talking about on here, you wi
34 1MillionFlyer: Those planes are older for sure. I sat in the bulhead Aisle seat from CVG-CDG last year. The center bins are normal size forward of that bulkhead
35 AbirdA: Honestly, what are you talking about? Two rows of what? There is a difference here and everyone can see it but you. It has been explained from so man
36 Broncoguy: This would be the area that they are in... Biz class takes up the area between doors one and two and four rows in back of door two. then there is a s
37 FlyingNanook: That is where the cabin crew rest is according to info from Boeing. The flight crew rest is up front. For some reason, I feel like saying "Denial isn
38 JpetekYXMD80: really, thats intersting just look at those lines a drew in
39 Broncoguy: Once again, DL just in the last year or so refitted the planes to include this. So just because you sat in an aisle seat last year doesn't mean that t
40 1MillionFlyer: Get on the plane and tell me then, unbeleivable. Read the above posts, the rest area would make them lower not higher...think about it. Denial is bes
41 JpetekYXMD80: They ARE lower. The area closest to the camera is where the crew rest is. All your stubbornness and denial. Who gives a shit if you've been on the pl
42 Broncoguy: the bins closer to the photographer are LOWER than all the other ones. Open your eyes and look. All the bins past that point are higher in the ceiling
43 AbirdA: The rest area is supposed to be located in the aft area of the section between doors 2 and 3. These photos show LOWER bins in the aft section of that
44 FlyingNanook: I agree, that's why the back bins are lower. What a concept!