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NZ Announces 90 Cancelled Long Haul Flights  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5811 times:
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NZ have announced upto 90 flights operated by long haul aircraft that will be cancelled from Sunday 17th July to Friday 25th July due to Long haul FAs strike action. All direct AKL, LAX, SFO and LHR services won't be affected. All A320 Pacific and Tasman services also won't be affected. All cancelled flights are listed below.

Tasman flights cancelled

18 July:
NZ123 AKL-MEL, NZ124 MEL-AKL
NZ105 AKL-SYD, NZ106 SYD-AKL
NZ175 AKL-PER, NZ176 PER-AKL

19th July:
NZ123 AKL-MEL, NZ124 MEL-AKL
NZ105 AKL-SYD, NZ106 SYD-AKL

21st July:
NZ123 AKL-MEL, NZ124 MEL-AKL

22nd July
NZ123 AKL-MEL, NZ124 MEL-AKL
NZ101 AKL-SYD, NZ102 SYD-AKL
NZ175 AKL-PER, NZ176 PER-AKL

24th July:
NZ123 AKL-MEL, NZ124 MEL-AKL
NZ105 AKL-SYD, NZ106 SYD-AKL
NZ175 AKL-PER, NZ176 PER-AKL

25th July:
NZ123 AKL-MEL, NZ124 MEL-AKL

Pacific Island services cancelled

17th July:
NZ9 HNL-AKL

18th July:
NZ10 AKL-HNL
NZ20 AKL-NAN

19th July
NZ19 CHC-AKL

20th July
NZ9 HNL-AKL
NZ61 Apia-AKL

21st July
NZ10 AKL-HNL
NZ20 AKL-NAN

23rd July
NZ45 RAR-AKL

24th July
NZ46 AKL-RAR
NZ40 AKL-PPT, NZ41 PPT-AKL
NZ22 AKL-RAR-Tahiti

25th July
NZ20 AKL-NAN

Asia and Japan services cancelled

18th July
NZ97 AKL-Osaka, NZ98 Osaka-CHC-AKL
NZ93 AKL-Nagoya, NZ94 Nagoya-AKL
NZ81 AKL-SIN, NZ82 SIN-AKL

19th July
NZ97 AKL-Osaka, NZ98 Osaka-CHC-AKL
NZ81 AKL-SIN, NZ82 SIN-AKL
NZ87 AKL-Taipei, NZ88 Taipei-AKL
NZ85 AKL-HKG, NZ86 HKG-AKL

21st July
NZ81 AKL-SIN, NZ82 SIN-AKL
NZ87 AKL-Taipei, NZ88 Taipei-AKL
NZ85 AKL-HKG, NZ86 HKG-AKL

22nd July
NZ97 AKL-Osaka, NZ98 Osaka-CHC-AKL
NZ81 AKL-SIN, NZ82 SIN-AKL
NZ85 AKL-HKG, NZ86 HKG-AKL

23rd July
NZ93 AKL-Nagoya, NZ94 Nagoya-AKL

24th July
NZ97 AKL-Osaka, NZ98 Osaka-CHC-AKL
NZ81 AKL-SIN, NZ82 SIN-AKL
NZ85 AKL-HKG, NZ86 HKG-AKL

25th July
NZ97 AKL-Osaka, NZ98 Osaka-CHC-AKL
NZ93 AKL-Nagoya, NZ94 Nagoya-AKL
NZ81 AKL-SIN, NZ82 SIN-AKL

EDIT: title

[Edited 2005-07-16 12:43:36]

45 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

That is a dramatic strike and will leave a lot of people stranded! What is the strike regarding and how much is it going to cost NZ?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5678 times:
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Ozair

All is not knowen but NZ said in their full page newspaper article that NZ can not do what FARSA is demanding because it would mean a rise in long haul airfares.


User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

it's hurt about 14,000 people over the 48 hr strike, nz's phone bill must be big lol


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5266 times:
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TG992 can fill you in on the details. It isn't all about money either. I won't say any more than that at this point.

NZ1


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

I hope the Long Haul Flighties get it too!! It is well deserved!

Leslie Grant screwed over the company when she was their, and shes doing it to QF at the moment!
Get your rights back Rob, Dont let them take anymore, if i could, id be at the picket line with ya!!!

Take care
AirNewZealand


User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Mmmmm..let me guess, something to do with more paid vacation time/ annual leave?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5058 times:
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I think it could also be for more time off between flights.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

An unfortunate incident as NZ may loose a bit of business as a result. But, the FAs do work hard and I guess they have to do what they have to do.

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

One of the biggest issues is crewing levels on the new 772.

With 313 seats and 3 classes, NZ have elected to carry just 10 cabin crew, who will be operating flights up to 13 hours. If they succeed in their plan to shift the role of the Inflight Service Director to an strictly onboard managerial role, that means 9 cabin crew to provide inflight service to those passengers. This compares to other airlines who carry at LEAST 11, usually 12-13.

The union simply believe that's not enough. The NZ crew are already used to working hard, carrying only 13-14 crew on our 744 flights of up to 13 hours, which is up to 5 less than our competitors, and working hard isn't the issue - providing inflight service at a high level to passengers requires enough crew to do it!



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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Well my guess was way off, ha...

TG992, if they are not serving passengers, what will the ISD do exactly?


User currently offlineNZAA From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
that means 9 cabin crew to provide inflight service

What is the minimum number of FAs that have to be on board the plane for it to legally operate?

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 10):
what will the ISD do exactly

The ISD is in charge of the entire cabin, and is next in command after the flight crew

Trav



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

The proposed new role for the ISD is more of a 'flight manager' role, similar to QF and CX for example. Rather than take part in the inflight service, the ISD will be directing it. They will also be involved in a 'PR' type role with the passengers, circulating the cabins, talking to them, dealing with any onward travel issues by means of an uplink to the reservations system, etc.

The ISD will also have more of a workload on the ground - they will each be placed in charge of a group of flight attendants and will be responsible for coaching them, monitoring their sick leave, any performance issues, etc.

It should be noted that the unions are challenging this all, as NZ claims the role is so different that all ISDs must reapply for the job. The union takes an opposing view. I think it's best I don't comment on my views on the subject.



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 5):
Leslie Grant screwed over the company when she was their, and shes doing it to QF at the moment!
Get your rights back Rob, Dont let them take anymore, if i could, id be at the picket line with ya!!!

Airnewzealand -

Lesley did a fantastic job while she was SVP Customer Services at NZ/AN, and I am sure this is precisely why QF snapped her up.

Fly2CHC


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4473 times:
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Just heard on the news that NZ and the FAs have agreed to go back to the table. The lady in charge of the FAs has said that the reason for all this is cause of:
1. Meals
2. Crew levels on B772
3. Leave

The check-in for NZ looked like a ghost town on the news.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

TG992-I never had any idea about this. Good luck with everthing both to the FA's and to NZ. I hope this gets sorted out really soon.

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 12):
NZ claims the role is so different that all ISDs must reapply for the job

This is the bit that gets on my wick. What a load of s***. Most ISD's are bloody good at their job, and haven't got there by mucking around. I think the company are trying to teach them how to suck eggs.

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4348 times:
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Or teach them how to get more sleep by not having anything to do

User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Anything that reduces customer contact from the ISD is imho, a very bad thing.

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7342 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 16):
Most ISD's are bloody good at their job, and haven't got there by mucking around.

That's very true, that said there are still a few I've come across that are just hanging out for the retirement perks... I just hope it's those ones that are forced out rather than the ones that still enjoy their job & serving to the best of their ability. Probably it is the company's way of 'cutting back' without having to pay out for redundancies - I guess it's all part of big business practise.


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

It is an area to tread carefully for NZ.

Long haul cabin crew need to be young with the exception of the ISD, 20-30yrs old max. People don't want to be served by somebody thats 45. It's a tough reality and unfare and cuts across age discrimination laws for sure. Western airlines have an unlevel playing field against Asian airlines in that respect. You have to move away from the idea of it being a career but rather something you do for 3-4 years when your young.
Name your long haul aircraft after cabin crew on a 3 month rotating basis so that instead of having a 744 called Kaikoura or Dunedin it's called for example
Kerri-Anne Smith with her name near the nose of the plane on a 1-2m long removable decal (name changed every 3months). Customers love the idea of companies that honour their staff. So that your maybe a young 20 something F/A working on a Long haul flight and you know that a 744 sitting on the tarmac at SFO is named after you.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3926 times:

You really are nuttier than squirrel crap, aren't you Richard?  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3842 times:

Came back from SIN this morning and I noted the the NZ flight from SIN-AKL was cancelled. Also, I saw 5 NZ 744s on the tarmac in AKL. This was a weird sight as we dont usually see more than 2 or 3 and I presume it has to do with the strike.

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3831 times:
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Richard.

Did you eat breakfast today?? I suspect not, maybe you need to eat something.

 Smile

NZ1


User currently offlineLuftaom From Australia, joined May 1999, 428 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3812 times:

If it makes me like him ... ill have whatever it is he is having!

25 777ER : RichardJF Keep dreaming. How much do you think it will cost NZ to do that.....FREE? It would cost NZ big money to do that.
26 Jasper711 : Richard, Please explain as your post has left me confused. I don't care how old the FA's are so long as they smile and make me feel like I belong on t
27 TBCITDG : Richard! Keep off the drugs PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Why is it not possible to have a career as a flight attendant. What does age have anything to do with
28 B787 : Richard, are you serious? I fly a lot both domestically and internationally on DJ, QF, BA, SQ and NZ. As a fare paying passenger and non airline emplo
29 NZ1 : Quite often you will see 3 at the terminal (NZ1, 5 and 7), and up to 3 in the hangar, depending on the day etc. NZ1
30 777ER : ZKSUJ With no FAs to crew them then yes
31 RichardJF : Does that mean you agree or disagree with me?
32 Post contains images NZ1 : You have a sense of humour, Ill give you that
33 777ER : RichardJF I think TG992 doesn't agree with you cause it would cost BZ heaps to change the decals every few months
34 B744Heavy : UA used to do this, and worked a treat. The Names of employees were also posted on company news, world wide, not just at their base. B744Heavy
35 777ER : UA used to do this, and worked a treat. The Names of employees were also posted on company news, world wide, not just at their base. And how much did
36 NZAA : And look where they are now! Trav
37 NZ1 : Putting an employees name to an aircraft is a silly idea. Giving them names of cities/towns like on the 744 fleet is much better, as pax are more incl
38 NZAA : I agree, it promotes New Zealand when seen overseas. Trav
39 Lufthansa : Sorry guys, I know I'm going to upset a few ppl here by saying this, but Richard is absolutely right!!!!! It is the cold harsh and very unfair truth,
40 Fly2CHC : It's called running a business in an extremely competitive, cost-sensitive, industry. Remember, she used to be crew herself. I'm not dissing cabin cr
41 RichardJF : I'm talking about 1ft high by 6ft long which I wouldn't have thought was difficult or overly expensive as a decal or painted but who knows. I believe
42 NZ1 : Sorry dude, but the legal minimum in NZ is 9 cabin crew, not 6. NZ1
43 Zonky : Stuck up, no. Slack? Yes. see airlinequality.com.
44 Post contains images NZ747 : I'm sure most (70%) guys prefer to be served by a hot young woman, not just 'old' passengers
45 B744Heavy : Not much, the cost of the decal and, only replaced every 10 months. Wasn't done on the entire fleet of 586 aircraft either. A few stickers did not pu
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