777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11350 posts, RR: 17 Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
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NZ have announced upto 90 flights operated by long haul aircraft that will be cancelled from Sunday 17th July to Friday 25th July due to Long haul FAs strike action. All direct AKL, LAX, SFO and LHR services won't be affected. All A320 Pacific and Tasman services also won't be affected. All cancelled flights are listed below.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11350 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4490 times:
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All is not knowen but NZ said in their full page newspaper article that NZ can not do what FARSA is demanding because it would mean a rise in long haul airfares.
Airnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2538 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3938 times:
I hope the Long Haul Flighties get it too!! It is well deserved!
Leslie Grant screwed over the company when she was their, and shes doing it to QF at the moment!
Get your rights back Rob, Dont let them take anymore, if i could, id be at the picket line with ya!!!
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3768 times:
One of the biggest issues is crewing levels on the new 772.
With 313 seats and 3 classes, NZ have elected to carry just 10 cabin crew, who will be operating flights up to 13 hours. If they succeed in their plan to shift the role of the Inflight Service Director to an strictly onboard managerial role, that means 9 cabin crew to provide inflight service to those passengers. This compares to other airlines who carry at LEAST 11, usually 12-13.
The union simply believe that's not enough. The NZ crew are already used to working hard, carrying only 13-14 crew on our 744 flights of up to 13 hours, which is up to 5 less than our competitors, and working hard isn't the issue - providing inflight service at a high level to passengers requires enough crew to do it!
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
The proposed new role for the ISD is more of a 'flight manager' role, similar to QF and CX for example. Rather than take part in the inflight service, the ISD will be directing it. They will also be involved in a 'PR' type role with the passengers, circulating the cabins, talking to them, dealing with any onward travel issues by means of an uplink to the reservations system, etc.
The ISD will also have more of a workload on the ground - they will each be placed in charge of a group of flight attendants and will be responsible for coaching them, monitoring their sick leave, any performance issues, etc.
It should be noted that the unions are challenging this all, as NZ claims the role is so different that all ISDs must reapply for the job. The union takes an opposing view. I think it's best I don't comment on my views on the subject.
Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3527 times:
Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 5): Leslie Grant screwed over the company when she was their, and shes doing it to QF at the moment!
Get your rights back Rob, Dont let them take anymore, if i could, id be at the picket line with ya!!!
Airnewzealand -
Lesley did a fantastic job while she was SVP Customer Services at NZ/AN, and I am sure this is precisely why QF snapped her up.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11350 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3285 times:
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Just heard on the news that NZ and the FAs have agreed to go back to the table. The lady in charge of the FAs has said that the reason for all this is cause of:
1. Meals
2. Crew levels on B772
3. Leave
The check-in for NZ looked like a ghost town on the news.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2196 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 12): NZ claims the role is so different that all ISDs must reapply for the job
This is the bit that gets on my wick. What a load of s***. Most ISD's are bloody good at their job, and haven't got there by mucking around. I think the company are trying to teach them how to suck eggs.
Aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6368 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3033 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 16): Most ISD's are bloody good at their job, and haven't got there by mucking around.
That's very true, that said there are still a few I've come across that are just hanging out for the retirement perks... I just hope it's those ones that are forced out rather than the ones that still enjoy their job & serving to the best of their ability. Probably it is the company's way of 'cutting back' without having to pay out for redundancies - I guess it's all part of big business practise.
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
It is an area to tread carefully for NZ.
Long haul cabin crew need to be young with the exception of the ISD, 20-30yrs old max. People don't want to be served by somebody thats 45. It's a tough reality and unfare and cuts across age discrimination laws for sure. Western airlines have an unlevel playing field against Asian airlines in that respect. You have to move away from the idea of it being a career but rather something you do for 3-4 years when your young.
Name your long haul aircraft after cabin crew on a 3 month rotating basis so that instead of having a 744 called Kaikoura or Dunedin it's called for example
Kerri-Anne Smith with her name near the nose of the plane on a 1-2m long removable decal (name changed every 3months). Customers love the idea of companies that honour their staff. So that your maybe a young 20 something F/A working on a Long haul flight and you know that a 744 sitting on the tarmac at SFO is named after you.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 6974 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
Came back from SIN this morning and I noted the the NZ flight from SIN-AKL was cancelled. Also, I saw 5 NZ 744s on the tarmac in AKL. This was a weird sight as we dont usually see more than 2 or 3 and I presume it has to do with the strike.
Luftaom From Australia, joined May 1999, 423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
If it makes me like him ... ill have whatever it is he is having!
25 777ER: RichardJF Keep dreaming. How much do you think it will cost NZ to do that.....FREE? It would cost NZ big money to do that.
26 Jasper711: Richard, Please explain as your post has left me confused. I don't care how old the FA's are so long as they smile and make me feel like I belong on t
27 TBCITDG: Richard! Keep off the drugs PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Why is it not possible to have a career as a flight attendant. What does age have anything to do with
28 B787: Richard, are you serious? I fly a lot both domestically and internationally on DJ, QF, BA, SQ and NZ. As a fare paying passenger and non airline emplo
29 NZ1: Quite often you will see 3 at the terminal (NZ1, 5 and 7), and up to 3 in the hangar, depending on the day etc. NZ1
31 RichardJF: Does that mean you agree or disagree with me?
32 NZ1: You have a sense of humour, Ill give you that
33 777ER: RichardJF I think TG992 doesn't agree with you cause it would cost BZ heaps to change the decals every few months
34 B744Heavy: UA used to do this, and worked a treat. The Names of employees were also posted on company news, world wide, not just at their base. B744Heavy
35 777ER: UA used to do this, and worked a treat. The Names of employees were also posted on company news, world wide, not just at their base. And how much did
37 NZ1: Putting an employees name to an aircraft is a silly idea. Giving them names of cities/towns like on the 744 fleet is much better, as pax are more incl
38 NZAA: I agree, it promotes New Zealand when seen overseas. Trav
39 Lufthansa: Sorry guys, I know I'm going to upset a few ppl here by saying this, but Richard is absolutely right!!!!! It is the cold harsh and very unfair truth,
40 Fly2CHC: It's called running a business in an extremely competitive, cost-sensitive, industry. Remember, she used to be crew herself. I'm not dissing cabin cr
41 RichardJF: I'm talking about 1ft high by 6ft long which I wouldn't have thought was difficult or overly expensive as a decal or painted but who knows. I believe
42 NZ1: Sorry dude, but the legal minimum in NZ is 9 cabin crew, not 6. NZ1
43 Zonky: Stuck up, no. Slack? Yes. see airlinequality.com.
44 NZ747: I'm sure most (70%) guys prefer to be served by a hot young woman, not just 'old' passengers
45 B744Heavy: Not much, the cost of the decal and, only replaced every 10 months. Wasn't done on the entire fleet of 586 aircraft either. A few stickers did not pu
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