KLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 20 Posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7381 times:
Reforma Newspaper, Sunday 17 2005
[i]"Quiere Dubai estar más cerca"[i]
[i]La propuesta de abrir un vuelo directo entre México y Dubai...fueron las principales negociaciones que hizo Rodolfo Elizondo Torres de la Secretaría de Turismo durante su visita a los Emirates Arabes Unidos.[i]
So the article basically says that there is a proposal for a flight between MEX and DXB after the signature of a bilateral agreement for routes between this 2 countries. This comes after the visit of Rodolfo Elizondo Torres (Mexican Secretary of Tourism) to the UAE. This agreement was signed with the support of Mohammed A.Ahli director of the Civil Aviation Department of the Arab nation.
If this agreement is accepted, Emirates will start flying to Mexico in a direct flight.
Elizondo also said that TLC or QET will be used instead of MEX due to limited capacity.
So, IMHO QET or TLC are really not gonna happen. But OTOH seeing EK at MEX would really be amazing. But I really don't know if there's the traffic for such a route. A stop somewhere would make sense.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 915 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7286 times:
Interesting news, given the distance involved I guess the route would go to the A345 (8914 miles according to great circle). A different thread on here says that EK are about to take delivery of their 9th A345 airframe soon, with the 10th to follow.
However, great circle also shows that YYZ lies right underneath the DXB-MEX route!
Mike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7272 times:
Isnt Emirates going to start service to Brazil and Argentina soon? Its good to see that they are looking into Latin America. A profitable market is possible there. I think Emirates will be the first airline from the middle east to fly into Latin America and especially Mexico.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7251 times:
Makes sense, EK wants to be a global carrier, connecting cities worldwide, so why not Mexico City - one of the biggest cities in the world. Also think oil, Mexico is a major oil producing nation, there are probably business and other connections between Mexico and the Gulf. With EK, one must "think outside of the box", their aim is to be the world's airline, not simply Dubai's airline, and their aim is to connect cities worldwide, not just offer service to and from Dubai. And since EK has very adequate resources, they have the ability to take chances with routes that other airlines would not even begin to consider, and have the time to let traffic on a particular route grow and develop. EK looking at opening a route to Mexico City does not surprise at all - I would not be surprised if EK would commence service to MEX with a 4 or 5 times per week service quickly expanding to daily service - be serious, who thought that EK would be going double daily on the JFK-DXB route so quickly?
My question is can MEX-DXB be flown on a nonstop basis......does the A345 have the range for that flight out of hot and high MEX? If not, I wonder what route would be flown - would EK operate via a European city, or maybe a US city? EK wants to get into IAD - could we see something like MEX-IAD-DXB?
While I must admit that I continue to be skeptical concerning EK's massive expansion plans and still cannot figure out what they will do with all of those A380s, EK certainly does keep things interesting.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2848 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7232 times:
Is EK subsidized by the UAE? They are aggressively moving into all of these new markets - Dubai to South America? Dubai to Mexico? Is the draw the Dubai that great, especially with a messy war taking place a few hundred miles to the North? Do travelers need visas to go there?
I understand that yes there is traffic to DXB and it is high yielding...but I can't help but think UAE is subsidizing these flights with oil money, in which case every time the price of oil goes up, EK can launch a new flight (that was sarcasm folks).
Mike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7199 times:
with EK getting all of those A380s, wonder if they could start a direct service using such jumbo. Honestly i see a A345 witha stop maybe in Europe. If i dont remember correctly i think Singapore was looking to sart service into MEX via MAD. Wonder if Emirates can look something into DXB-MAD-MEX? Should be interesting though to see if a route can be worked out.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 915 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7189 times:
EK is not subsidised by the UAE as a country. Instead it is subsidised/underwritten/financially sweetened/bank rolled/funded (*delete as appropriate) by the government of Dubai. Dubai gets some money from Oil, but a lot from international trade. This is unlike Abu Dhabi for example which gets the vast majority of its income from oil.
As for the war, this has no affect, except in peoples minds prehaps. I visited, and my father worked in the UAE during the first Gulf war and you had no idea what was going on 400 miles away in Kuwait at the time.
As for visa's, UK passport holders do not need one but I'm unsure about anyone else. I guess these days many more people transit DXB than actually go through immigration.
ThaiboynMexico From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7102 times:
I am so fed up with with these sensationalized stories about foriegn airlines set to break new grounds in Mexico. This is so typical of Mexico. Nothing but talks and rumors. Last year I heard about Korean Air flying to MEX, then Mexicana flying to Japan and then on to Bangkok in the near future? I really believe that they are just trying to fill their newspaper with exotic stories as these. And I am wondering if the UAE government only did this just so that the Mexican dignitary visiting had something seriously ceremonial to do while in UAE. If you've been to Mexico, you know there is just no market for EK at all. How many Mexicans travel to the Middle East, to be honest?
It is true that there is a significant Lebanese population throughout Mexico, but Air France has had a monopoly on these passengers. The last time I visited Air France office in Mexico City, there were 3 separate groups of clients coming to pay for their tickets to Beirut. Air France also niches on Chinese refugees who seek asylum in Mexico too. I do MEX-CDG-MEX quite often and, with similar frequency, I see Chinese passengers escorted to the airplane for CDG-MEX leg. This is why they have increased CDG-MEX-CDG from 7flights/week to 11 flights per week. For me it's just plain old "whatever."
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7437 posts, RR: 44 Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7061 times:
I read a few minutes ago the article in the newspaper and I think that we should not read it as a forecast but rather as a sign that the tourism authorities of Mexico are working hard to promote Mexico City as a destination of major global carriers. There are some points I would like to raise. Firstly, as Alonso mentions, I don't believe QRO or TLC would be a good idea. It really has to be MEX. I cannot see EK launching this route successfully without codesharing with a Mexican carrier in routes like MEX-MTY, MEX-GDL, MEX-SJD and MEX-CUN. Flying into TLC or QRO would mean lost connecting opportunities. And I do appreciate that MEX cannot take many more new flights, but this is a flight that simply wouldn't work if routed to an alternate airport (unlike Air Madrid's MAD-TLC for example). Second, I guess that the A345 would be the only viable carrier but it would still be penalized weight-wise on the MEX-DXB route (even more if flying from TLC). Maybe a stop in CUN could solve the problem. Third, I am not sure if flying via YYZ or MAD would be possible. I don't think AM, IB and Air Madrid will ever permit this. Same applies to MX and AC. MEX-IAD-DXB will simply not happen. Fourth, Ryeroam has a good point but I think that EK's ambition to serve all major cities in the world and appropriate bilateral business and tourism promotion measures (I believe the number of Mexican honeymooners to U.A.E. has been growing steadily) may create a market opportunity. And this brings me to my first argument here. We should not read this article as an indication of something certain in the future, but rather as a sign that our authorities are trying to lure EK to Mexico.
Ryeroam, welcome to the forum. I see this is one of your very first posts even though you have been reading the threads for quite some time. I trust you will enjoy reading and posting a lot and I look forward to your contributions to the discussions. I am sure it will be very interesting to read your opinions and your ideas.
By the way, the article quoted by Alonso mentions that the beginning of EK flights to Brazil is imminent (i.e., months or weeks from now). Any idea of when this will happen?
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2418 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7008 times:
Quoting Boysteve (Reply 7): As for visa's, UK passport holders do not need one but I'm unsure about anyone else. I guess these days many more people transit DXB than actually go through immigration.
Mexican citizens do need a visa to enter the UAE and it is not easy to get. Reciprocity is the word here, since getting a Mexican visa for citizens of countries in the middle east is tough. I guess UAE and Mexico would have to ease their visa policy for their respective citizens to make the flight work.
Additionally, the flight will be targeting people flying to other countries in the area (India, Thailand, Lebanon, Pakistan, Kenya, Egypt, etc).
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5175 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7013 times:
Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 11): I am so fed up with with these sensationalized stories about foriegn airlines set to break new grounds in Mexico. This is so typical of Mexico. Nothing but talks and rumors. Last year I heard about Korean Air flying to MEX, then Mexicana flying to Japan and then on to Bangkok in the near future? I really believe that they are just trying to fill their newspaper with exotic stories as these.
Take a chill pill ThaiboynMexico!! First of all, KE didn't show intentions. It was Air New Zealand and Qantas....!!! Air New Zealand proposal has recently been rejected by Mexico's DOT.. or call it SCT!! Their proposal was to base an A320 LAX in order to fly to MEX or TLC (they were to accept any airport) GDL, MTY, and CUN. But mex authorities apparently didn't liked the idea. As for Qantas I don't know the status. Mexicana to Asia... wait!!! First step are A332s... second step A340s... in fact, there's MX-mx people at TLS for A340 training... and several other things going on at MX! Expect China first followed by Japan and if everything goes well other cities should follow.
As for EK, for me it seems an unreal flight/situation given 2004 stats by SCT! I don't see it happening anytime soon! Wishful thinking from EK and mexican government, but Mexico's government sure is trying to offer MEX-Mexico as an option to major carriers to fly.
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6993 times:
This route would be a good route for Emirates to put one of their A340-500s on. Emirates is about to take delivery of their ninth A340-500 the reg is A6-ERI with the tenth to follow soon.
Sorry if this sounds extremley foolish.
The way I see it is that Emirates is looking for good destinations that they can put the A340-500 on. Since Sydney and Melbourne have gone to the B777-300ER, Zurich and New York are the only (?) routes that eight A340-500s fly on. So the more routes that they can put the A340-500 the better.
KLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 20 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6992 times:
Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 11): If you've been to Mexico, you know there is just no market for EK at all. How many Mexicans travel to the Middle East, to be honest?
I agree with you at some point, but if Emirates plans are accurate it will relay on their DXB hub. As most replies mention, Emirates wants to be the world airline and why not take part of the Latin American market which has MEX as it's number one with most passengers. Take for example KL, I can almost assure you that more than 50% continue to another destination besides AMS. Emirates has proved to charge some really competitive fares and I believe this will be very interesting to see. Specially for the market to Asia, not necessarily the Middle East.
Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 11): This is why they have increased CDG-MEX-CDG from 7flights/week to 11 flights per week.
So you're saying that AF increased flights cuz of Chinese refugees? I really wouldn't relay on that statement or on something you see.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12): I read a few minutes ago the article in the newspaper and I think that we should not read it as a forecast but rather as a sign that the tourism authorities of Mexico are working hard to promote Mexico City as a destination of major global carriers.
EXACTLY, it's better than not even taking the time to do things. Of course, we have seen many failures and plans that were not taken to practice but at least is better to start doing things that will become of interest in the future. At least Mexico is starting to prepare for what may come in the future.
ThaiboynMexico From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6949 times:
I did not account the increase of flight frequency from CDG to MEX to Chinese refugees. My apology because my English could have been clearer. But to elaborate on this...Other Asian refugees such as North Koreans, Vietnamese, as well as Russians and Eastern Europeans with ties to Mexico also use Air France, not to mention Mexican travelers who benefit from SkyTeam connections out of CDG.
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I spend so much time on airliners.net here from Guadalajara (like all the time); but a college student that I am, I was too stingy to pay for the right to contribute. I just coughed up $25 but well worth it in the end.
Zeekiel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6757 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14): Air New Zealand proposal has recently been rejected by Mexico's DOT.. or call it SCT!! Their proposal was to base an A320 LAX in order to fly to MEX or TLC
Where did this news get announced? It seems a bit far fetched for NZ to be operating an A320 so far from New Zealand. Right now, NZ is pretty content operating their A320's down here and consolidating the fleets of NZ and SJ.
If a press release is available, then please give a link or something.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5175 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6725 times:
Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 19): Where did this news get announced? It seems a bit far fetched for NZ to be operating an A320 so far from New Zealand. Right now, NZ is pretty content operating their A320's down here and consolidating the fleets of NZ and SJ.
ANZ was here in Mexico City and had directly negotiations with Mexico's Secretary of Transportation. They wanted to base an A320 at LAX sending it 3X to MEXorTLC, 2X to CUN, 1X to GDL and 1X to MTY with rights on LAX-Mexico flights giving priority to connections but selling the rest of the free seats on routes.
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6624 times:
I recall Malaysian did quite well in MEX but it became too uneconomical not being able to pick up joining traffic LAX-MEX-LAX. I wouldn't have thought the range of the A345 would be sufficient for DXB-MEX non-stop on full payload, and therefore they may need to consider MH's experience if they are looking at operating through the States.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6490 times:
MEX could support many flights from different parts of the world. MEX is a top business city, plus all the connecting passengers going to the Mexican resorts, make MEX a good decision. According to aneki.com, Mexico is the 8th most visited country in the world (aneki.com, most visited countries).
They did so back in 2000/2001 but postponed expanision into the USA after 11Sep01 . A lot in future will depend on whether US-American tourists are ready again to spend their vacations in Morocco, Egypt, the UAE and Oman .
25 KL808: To open this route, EK needs more A340-500's. The additional A345 will be sent to JFK for double daily service. DXB-MEX is shorter than SIN-EWR. It c
26 AM744: Did you understood my post? I said funnel traffic through the US. Mexico - Europe and Mexico - Asia bussiness is a nice added bonus, thanks to the in
27 Airbazar: Well, I guess it depends on what their break-even numbers are. Mexico is an oil producing nation, among other things. Any business traveler from the
28 CHI787ORD: I think EK should try to get more US cities online- such as ORD, IAD, LAX. Didnt they serve Houston at one point?
29 KL808: Unfortunately, EK has never served IAH. The only US destination is JFK, which is going to become 2x daily soon. Drew
30 EddieDude: Actually AM744 was referring to passengers flying between Mexico and Europe or Asia choosing U.S. carriers. With the current U.S. VISIT policies in e
31 Latinplane: You have a real nerve! To call people ignorant when you answers don't contribute any real useful information, just a bunch of negative mumbo jumbo. T
32 AS739X: Can the A345 actually make it MEX-DXB non-stop leaving from MEX on 90 degree day, from that altitude? If so the plane impresses me more and more. ASSF
33 EddieDude: I think 90° F is, generally, too high a temperature for Mexico City, although perhaps that's the temperature on the runways of MEX on a really warm d
34 N77014: All these posts attacking my point of view are just denial on others part. While Mexican tourist authorities are correct in trying to expand tourism o
35 Dutchjet: This is an interesting thread that raises many good points - however, most are trying to apply logic as to whether there is a market for an EK flight
36 Boysteve: Personally I think Dutchjet sums it up regarding EK's business strategy. Who'd of thought 5 years ago that double daily from both MAN and BHX would ma
37 ThaiboynMexico: This message is to N77014, To the Mr. From Nicaragua. How could you accuse me that my statement was ignorant? You are the ignorant one. Did I ever say
38 Ghost77: What? AZ has NEVER flown to MEX. Do you know the reasons of MH's departure? Just asking! Seems you know everything related to Mexico! Let me tell you
39 Mike1974: Interested points and facts in regards to this. I gotta agree that maybe EK is taking a chance and i think they want to see if there can be a growing
40 EUROBUS: If EK where to do anything with MEX, I would put my bet on this option. MEX is one of the most profitable routes for IB and AM and the demand is incr
41 LipeGIG: Eddie, Brazilian Government authorities are talking with UAE authorities and EK in order to establish an agreement. Discussions has been started afte
42 EUROBUS: By the way, doesnt NM stand for Air Madrid!!??
43 EddieDude: Thanks for the info. I was under the impression that those formalities were already cleared or in an advanced stage. I sure look forward to seeing EK
44 KLM685: GRU/GIG will be a great way to analyze what could happen to MEX. Even though we are talking about different markets here, It's a great preview of what
45 LipeGIG: Agree. Also i remember that Brazil does not offer services to India and other southeast Asia countries. EK could try to be a Hub between Asia and Lat
46 KLM685: I couldn't agree more. I've always said that EK is the new gateway to Asia. They'll definately compete directly with the European carriers that alrea
47 777boi: To AlitaliaMD11... EK still operate the 340-500 to MEL and SYD. The 777-300 are additional services (both cities are now twice daily). EK 340-500 dest
48 NYCFlyer: Yes, but consider that 80% or more of the tourism (just a guess, I have no stats) is American. And you don't need EK to fly from the USA to Mexico. I
49 Mike1974: Im asking myself if EK wants to fly to EZE and GRU/GIG, why not MEX also? Those 3 countries have much to offer to business travelers and tourist of co
50 LipeGIG: Hi Alonsou, And as South America-Southeast Asia thru EAU is closer than thru Europe, probably EK take a very strong advantage. Agree 100%. Brazil has
51 LipeGIG: I agree with you. MEX is not so important market as Brazil for Mid East but as you state, one day EK could become non stop service to DXB. Can anyone
52 BSBIsland: As I can see in a few years Emirates will "steal" American Airlines "honor" in Latin America...
53 EddieDude: MEX-YVR-NRT 2x weekly with JL (744). AM codeshares on the MEX-YVR portion only. Other than that, there is nothing. Most passengers between Asia and Me
54 Jacobin777: I wouldn't be surprised to see EK pick up some 777-200LR's soon...this might be one route where EK can use it.
55 LipeGIG: With such info Eddie, now i believe EK could connect MX with almost 80% of Asia Countries thru DXB as they probably will offer better connections and
56 LipeGIG: BSBIsland, the power of AA is strongly connected to the relationship US-Latin America, the power of the trade relations (Almost all latin countries k
57 BSBIsland: I agree, of course. I was just joking. I really do not think Emirates will ever fly to ALL Latin American countries (if any) like AA.
58 LipeGIG: I imagine that Expect that my reply not seems rude. Regards, Felipe
59 Abrelosojos: = Actually no, MEA or Iranair (I forget which one), used to fly to Latin America up to the 1970s I believe.
60 BSBIsland: MEA used to fly BEY-Abdjan-GRU in the 90´s with A310 And I think it was Iraqi Airways, not IranAir, in the 80´s to GIG, I believe with 747SP[Edited
61 Abrelosojos: = Completely correct. And, they even contemplated a GIG-EZE extension which never worked out.
62 Mike1974: thanks for the info guys, didnt know Iraqui Airways and MEA had fllights to Latin America back in the days. That brings me up to another question, was
63 LipeGIG: I remember that JJ (Tam) settles an agreement with one carrier (i think it's MEA) to establish a GRU-CDG-Tel Aviv flight. Tam operates GRU-CDG, MEA o