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Flying A Non US Carrier From JFK To LAX  
User currently offlineJetblue15 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11837 times:

I'm going to LA in Sept and wanna fly a non US carrier. Perhaps it sounds funny to some of you but I wanna try to fly something other then B6 to LGB or any of the other US carriers to LAX. Is it possible? Thanks in advance.

Jetblue15


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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11835 times:

I don't think any non-us carriers fly this route, and have it open for passengers that aren't continuing on to somewhere else. (Like Qantas for example)

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11773 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
I don't think any non-us carriers fly this route, and have it open for passengers that aren't continuing on to somewhere else. (Like Qantas for example)

That is correct, you can not buy a seat on those flights.

There are many such examples such as BA and LY, but they are not available unless you are continuing on with them.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11755 times:

Non-US carriers do not have local traffic rights of those routes; connecting traffic only.

User currently offlineJetblue15 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Thats what I thought. Thanks for the info. How about wide body service to LAX?


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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11711 times:

Give UA p.s. service a shot. I think you will be shocked at the high level of quality service offered.

User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11689 times:

How about wide body service to LAX?

Definitely AA's 767 American Flagship Service. I'm pretty sure that Delta's widebody 767 equipment has now been replaced in favor of Song service.

However, if you want true international comfort, I've got two letters for you:



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11676 times:

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 4):
Thats what I thought. Thanks for the info. How about wide body service to LAX?

American or United.

If you feel like taking an *exotic* carrier, take American Buzzard (Eagle), Air Canada Saxophone, or one of Continental’s Barbie Dream Jets up to YYZ then take LY’s 777 to LAX.

 spin 


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32812 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11673 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 7):
If you feel like taking an *exotic* carrier, take American Buzzard (Eagle), Air Canada Saxophone, or one of Continental�s Barbie Dream Jets up to YYZ then take LY�s 777 to LAX.

El Al hasn't used 777s (or 744s) to LAX in a while. They now use 763s and 762s.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11661 times:

Quoting Jetblue15 (Thread starter):
Perhaps it sounds funny to some of you but I wanna try to fly something other then B6 to LGB or any of the other US carriers to LAX. Is it possible?

Sure. You could take AC via YYZ, or AM or MX via MEX. It'll cost you, though, since you'll have to book the two legs separately. Besides, you might have some explaining to do when you go back through immigration...  Smile



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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11599 times:

United has the best product in this market. Hands down.

User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 10):
United has the best product in this market. Hands down.

Is the P.S service really worth it? I always fly UA when I go to California, I fly out to SFO and LAX combined atleast 10 times a year and always take the non-stops out of BOS. Me and my co-workers have no problem settling for coach, when first class is booked solid, which always seems to happen.

Sadly, I would have no way of connecting in JFK on UA, without taking a different airline, such as AA or B6 and then switching over to UA. Would it really be worth all that?


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11534 times:

Definitely try United on JFK-LAX. The service is very good, quite surprising actually. You have to do it. Otherwise you can get a wide-body on AA but I think the UA service is EXCELLENT on this route. I know many people who have taken it and they LOVE it.

UA all the way

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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11515 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2224912/

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User currently offlineJetblue15 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11509 times:

Well its settled then. I'm going to book with the P.S with UA. I trust you guys so I'll all let you know how it goes. I'm doing one way though. Going back with B6. Its free for me so I'll save alittle bit of money. Everybody is helpful as always.

Jetblue15



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

Of course, one can fly JFK-LAX on a foreign carrier. For example, buy a one-way ticket on QF JFK-SYD. Don't reboard in LAX.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11416 times:

So, has anyone flown on these "foreign" domestic flights?

What type of service does QF do transcon?
What's BA like on its flights from ORD to Texas or LY to MIA?

Anyone done these?


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26508 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Quoting Jetblue15 (Thread starter):
I'm going to LA in Sept and wanna fly a non US carrier.

You cannot get one unless you are a non-rev.

Quoting Jetblue15 (Thread starter):
B6 to LGB or any of the other US carriers to LAX.

Ok, how about B6 to ONT or BUR?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
There are many such examples such as BA and LY

Neither one of which flies LAX-NYC

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 4):
How about wide body service to LAX?

AA

Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure that Delta's widebody 767 equipment has now been replaced in favor of Song service.

Yes

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 11):
Is the P.S service really worth it?

Yes, it is actually very nice and competitively priced, as long as you don't have to divert to IAD

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 14):
Well its settled then. I'm going to book with the P.S with UA. I trust you guys so I'll all let you know how it goes. I'm doing one way though. Going back with B6. Its free for me so I'll save alittle bit of money. Everybody is helpful as always.

If you can non-rev with B6, why can't you non-rev with UA, or QF for that matter?



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11344 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
Of course, one can fly JFK-LAX on a foreign carrier. For example, buy a one-way ticket on QF JFK-SYD. Don't reboard in LAX.

True you can probably do this but you also will need a passport an electronic visa to Australia. I am sure when the pax checks in at JFK, they will be checking for this.



John@SFO
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11338 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
There are many such examples such as BA and LY

Neither one of which flies LAX-NYC

No sh*&T, it was an another example of international airlines flying within the US....get over your self.....see the word "examples".


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26508 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11327 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 19):
No sh*&T, it was an another example of international airlines flying within the US....get over your self.....see the word "examples".

Don't get your panties in a bunch. You were not clear about it and I just pointed it out.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Where does BA fly domestically within the US?


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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

Airxliban,
BA flies ORD-IAH.....



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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11087 times:
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Regarding the original question, the ICAO freedoms are listed below. Eighth Freedom (Cabotage) and Ninth Freedom (Stand Alone Cabotage) are rare. I don't believe any foreign carrier has such rights in the US.

First Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State or States to fly across its territory without landing (also known as a First Freedom Right).

Second Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State of States to land in its territory for non-traffic purposes (also known as a Second Freedom Right).

Third Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to put down, in the territory of the first State, traffic coming from the home State of the carrier (also known as a Third Freedom Right).

Fourth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to take on, in the territory of the first State, traffic destined for the home State of the carrier (also known as a Fourth Freedom Right).

Fifth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to put down and to take on, in the territory of the first State, traffic coming from or destined to a third State (also known as a Fifth Freedom Right).
ICAO characterizes all "freedoms" beyond the Fifth as "so-called" because only the first five "freedoms" have been officially recognized as such by international treaty.

Sixth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, of transporting, via the home State of the carrier, traffic moving between two other States (also known as a Sixth Freedom Right). The so-called Sixth Freedom of the Air, unlike the first five freedoms, is not incorporated as such into any widely recognized air service agreements such as the "Five Freedoms Agreement".

Seventh Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State, of transporting traffic between the territory of the granting State and any third State with no requirement to include on such operation any point in the territory of the recipient State, i.e the service need not connect to or be an extension of any service to/from the home State of the carrier.

Eighth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, of transporting cabotage traffic between two points in the territory of the granting State on a service which originates or terminates in the home country of the foreign carrier or (in connection with the so-called Seventh Freedom of the Air) outside the territory of the granting State (also known as a Eighth Freedom Right or "consecutive cabotage").

Ninth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege of transporting cabotage traffic of the granting State on a service performed entirely within the territory of the granting State (also known as a Ninth Freedom Right or "stand alone" cabotage).

Source: Manual on the Regulation of International Air Transport (Doc 9626, Part 4)


User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10965 times:

Only a few ways to fly within US/Canada on non-US/Canadian carriers...

LAX-YYZ on El Al.
LAS-YVR on Philippine Airlines
JFK-YVR on Cathay Pacific

You could perhaps fly... from NYC to YYZ to connect to LAX on El Al, or NYC to YVR on Cathay, and fly from YVR to LAS on Philippines Airline.

But it's gonna cost ya.


25 AlitaliaMD11 : I suggest you fly Qantas from JFK to LAX they only fly to JFK on Wednesdays. The flight is flown by the B747-400.
26 N1120A : The travel agent that booked it may be subject to penalties, particularly on the CX/Philippines itinerary. Actually, it is 3 days per week, and unles
27 Tockeyhockey : P.S. service may be an improvement over normal UA trans-con service, but UA could also use an improved copy writer. who wrote this garbage?! Now there
28 Jetblue15 : I'd be flying ID90 with BA and Qantas and its a pain in the ass setting up the paperwork. Its better for me to fly to LGB if I'm going to fly with B6
29 Post contains images FlyingTexan : But, if there is a stopover (> 4 hrs) in YVR, no?
30 UAORD2000 : I dont see any gramatical errors in this. And what is a "copy writer?"
31 WestIndian425 : Happened to me one time when I flew Air Jamaica JFK-ATL via MBJ. I was working for them at the time so I was non-rev. Neil
32 FoxBravo : Interesting way to go! Did they give you a hassle? I know someone whose NYC-DEN flight was cancelled due to bad weather and the only way they could ge
33 UAalltheway : The international airlines won't let you onto that flight unless you're connecting onto another one of THEIR flights. I tried to get on an AirChina fl
34 Aerofan : If you are talking about non revving then you can use Qantas. I nonreved on their flight 5 times last year and twice already this year. If you are not
35 Post contains images Legacyins : Air China does not fly between SEA-IAH. You probably mean China Airlines, no wonder you could not get on
36 Post contains images Westindian425 : Not really. They were shocked that I had to go through all that trouble, but I showed them my ID and explained that I was non-rev. That was it. Besid
37 QantasHeavy : Regarding experience flying domestic legs on a foreign flag carrier (as part of an international flight) and the level of service they provide... I ha
38 Ilgrancapo : CZ-706 from JFK to LAX. I saw it in Amadeus system with daily flight.
39 Emrecan : I dont know if you can fly but may be with Saudia?
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