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Wow! United PS Cabin Layout!  
User currently offlineGkpetery From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15272 times:

I just flew on a United LAX-JFK flight and I have to say, WOW! What space on board. It've flown many 757, but when you get on board and you see how far apart all the seats are and more than half the plane is dedicated to First and Business Class... and Econ Plus is also not very many seat, I was amazed! I sat in 9A Exit and the space in front of me.... truly, a gymnast could do back multiple back flips in the space. Service was "normal" for a United flight, but for LAX-JFK transcon, I think it's a great product. And I hope that it does well for United.

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User currently offlineBluejackets From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15200 times:

Quoting Gkpetery (Thread starter):
I sat in 9A Exit and the space in front of me.... truly, a gymnast could do back multiple back flips in the space.

That would make for some pretty darn good IFE!

Do they add in even more room in Exit rows?



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User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15157 times:

Do they add in even more room in Exit rows?

Typically, the four overwing hatches in the middle of the 757 cabin have two or three Economy rows next to them, with extra legroom. However, my assumption would be that United chose to leave extra space 1 for extra passenger comfort (after all...it is 'premium service'), and 2 because it seems as though it might be problematic to have such a large pair of awkwardly-shaped seats next to an overwing exit (in terms of getting the door off, having somewhere to place it, etc).

Of course, it also suits the configuration of the cabin – I'm not sure if they could have fit another row of United Business seats in that zone without reducing pitch for the rest of the seats.

Unquestionably, though, Row 9 on p.s. is likely some of the greatest legroom in the skies.

Derek


User currently offlineGkpetery From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14501 times:

Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 2):
Do they add in even more room in Exit rows?

There was about 6 feet of space from my seat to the next seat when I was in 9A. When people board the p.s. plane, you can just hear the people go, "Oh man!" because it's kind of unreal to see how much space there is on the business class section.

And the economy seating area is a small section, but the space because of Econ plus is way better than any other US carrier flying a narrowbody plane. The plane is really incredible.

S P A C I O U S ! !

Agreed that it would be nice to have IFEs on board, but when you take the red-eye a lot like I do, it doesn't matter. The space and comfort is more important.

Flying p.s. JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO is like flying a very exclusive airplane. United is exagerarting on this promise. You really get a better flying experience... even if it costs a few bucks more (which is not usually the case), it's well worth it.


User currently offlineGkpetery From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14451 times:

I've also taken AA 767 from LAX-JFK.... and UA 767 LAX-JFK... widebody or not... UA p.s. 757 is far better than both of these.

Another benefit of p.s..... not having to wait for a hundred extra people to board and de-plane in front of you.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14415 times:

Seat Pitch:

F: 12 Seats at 68"
B: 26 Seats at 54"
Y: 72 Seats at 34"

110 seats on a 757.... Damn.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 5):
110 seats on a 757.... Damn.

Yep, nice for PAX but a CASM nightmare



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14361 times:

I'm suprised airliners.net doesn't have any interior pics of this layout, it sounds nice. But at 74 seats an aircraft they really need load factors and yields to be top notch.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14342 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 7):
But at 74 seats an aircraft they really need load factors and yields to be top notch.

Their Y yields are still not enough. It is those 12 F-class flat beds they want to sell



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14300 times:

110 seats? That's much better...LOL

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14273 times:

Quoting Bluejackets (Reply 1):
That would make for some pretty darn good IFE!

Do they add in even more room in Exit rows?

Welcome to my RR list for saying one of the funniest things I have heard all year.

Now when will UA install stripper poles? That way when the announcement to put your traytables and laptops up.... you can put your stripper back in the overhead compartment.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

Any links? Couldn't find anything on United's site or seatguru about it.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

It may be working. A 5.5 hr flight at $3650 per hour. $20K trip cost divided by 110 seats at a 90% load factor. Needs a $203 yield to break even. They should be getting that.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14194 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 11):
Any links? Couldn't find anything on United's site or seatguru about it.

Not sure where you were looking on those sites, but PS references are available on both...ask and ye shall still receive though...

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...ted_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_PS.php
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,50964,00.html
http://www.unitedps.com

Greg



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14189 times:

Ahh, OK, thanks USAFHummer.

They copied my ideas!!!!!!  bigmouth 

[Edited 2005-07-18 15:48:21]

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5853 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14162 times:

i took UA PS in Business Class from JFK-LAX and then Business class onwards to Sydney, the PS was amazing and the amount of room was ridiculous, one of the best layout's i've ever had the pleasure of flying!

here is the report from that trip, photos n all!

The Final Frontier Tour-QF/UA/AC With Pics! Long! (by Qantas077 May 19 2005 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14146 times:

Quoting Gkpetery (Thread starter):
It may be working. A 5.5 hr flight at $3650 per hour. $20K trip cost divided by 110 seats at a 90% load factor. Needs a $203 yield to break even. They should be getting that.

$3350 an hour? What’s that?

The cheapest fare for JFKLAX is $172 OW. Way too low to make a profit on just 110 seats for 2459 miles!. Can you imagine the CASM here?

I am sure UA is losing tons of money here as the rest of the legacy airlines do on this market.

Well, UA situation may explain it all.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14127 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 16):
$3350 an hour? What’s that?

$3650 an hour is a educated guess at their operating costs.


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 16):
The cheapest fare for JFKLAX is $172 OW. Way too low to make a profit on just 110 seats for 2459 miles!. Can you imagine the CASM here?

Not all seats are sold at the cheapest economy fares. AA is getting an average ticket price of $300. I would think UA with this premium service is getting at least $250.


User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14098 times:

Would it make sense to initiate service to Europe similar to CO's and AA's with PS 757?


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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14053 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 17):
$3650 an hour is a educated guess at their operating costs

Well, if you figure is correct someone got it really wrong here.

A legacy airline will never breakeven on a LAXJFK with a fare of just USD200 (not even close to that)

I don’t work for UA so I ignore what the breakeven point is on this route but I am sure is very far from your figures.

I can be wrong though...


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14040 times:

qantas777

Very nice report. You've got a pic of the 757 p.s. cabin. I'm assuming it's the Business section?


User currently offlineBluejackets From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13952 times:

Thanks Wdleiser!

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 10):
That way when the announcement to put your traytables and laptops up.... you can put your stripper back in the overhead compartment.

"Yes, and don't forget to button your pants up before you enter the terminal, as a courtesy to other travelers. Thank for you for flying United -- our strippers look forward to seeing you on a future United flight soon!"



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User currently offlineAvpilot01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13663 times:

Quoting Gkpetery (Thread starter):
WOW! What space on board. It've flown many 757, but when you get on board and you see how far apart all the seats are and more than half the plane is dedicated to First and Business Class...

try flying an INTL' configuration 757 on CO. 16 Business first seats and outstanding service. I wonder if UA makes any money with that seating configuration?


User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13632 times:

ARGinLON

I see your point. Airlines are submitting operating cost figurs to the DOT each Quarter. For instance WN/JB say their costs for the 737/320 are around $2150 per hour. The majors costs for the 757 come in around $3650 per hour.

But when you put those numbers in you are getting a crazy low CASM (although a 2474 mile stage length would lower the trip CASM) Don't know. Need to do more research on it.


25 Mikephotos : First (P) on a UA PS 757 JFK-SFO-JFK is $4508.90 undiscounted. I sell a few of them a month on a regular basis. I'm sure I'm not the only one because
26 Gkpetery : I'm taking a flight from UA p.s. JFK-LAX flight tomorrow night. I'm sitting in Business Class #9A Exit again and I'll try to take a picture and post i
27 BestWestern : I flew on a 219 seater 757 last week... what a difference. Basically UA are operating A seat capacity of an E195 with a 752 cost base.
28 Boeing7E7 : Good guess. It's $3641 direct cost per hour. About $150 a seat at 100% LF. RT Average = 5:45 Trip Cost: $29,936 (Direct)/$30,356 (Net). My guess is t
29 Padcrasher : boeing I'm not getting the math. RT average = 5:45? The one way trip as I understand is 5.5 hrs. But do the math using a normal 183 seat configuration
30 Post contains images Typhaerion : All I have to say Boeing 7E7, is that I wish I had the information sources you do. That was great info. Thanks.   That almost makes me want to invent
31 Zrs70 : I've taken the PS flight three times. Twice in C, once in F. As the OP stated, row 9 has tons of room, as it is an exit row. I actually prefer row 9 t
32 Boeing7E7 : Add the block times from UA's Schedules (add SFO-JFK, JFK-SFO, LAX-JFK, JFK-LAX and divide by 4) and round up to the nearest quarter hour. Different
33 Flyman33178 : just wondering what flights the ps service is offered on...?? anything out of ord? thanks
34 SU : I flu SFO-JFK in May in first class and was absolutely amazed on the level of service on US domestic market. United did an amazing job on that flight.
35 FLY777UAL : I've taken these flights back and forth both out of LAX and SFO about 12 times now, all in F except one flight, and just something worth noting: they
36 Baw716 : Padcrasher, The operating cost of a 757 is much higher than $3650 per hour. That is just the cost of operating the aircraft. The crew costs and other
37 Boeing7E7 : You've got bad numbers. $10K an hour for a 757 is laughable, even with the worst case IDOC added. UAL IDOC is around 45%. The direct cost for them is
38 Post contains images UAalltheway : Yea.. I'm hoping I get to fly business or something one day. It's a great product for transcon service.. and I hope more people are attracted to UA an
39 QANTAS077 : yes it's the business class section...
40 Post contains links N62NA : Let me direct your attention to this Topic in the Aviation Photography forum: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...tion_photography/read.main/19050
41 PanAm330 : No, because UA couldn't make it across the pond with their 757s, because they're equipped with PW engines, and not the more ideally-suited Rolls Royc
42 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Where do you people come up with this garbage? http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/753sec2.pdf http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/ai
43 Padcrasher : Baw I agree the $3650 is not telling the whole story. But your figure seems high still. UA's system CASM was 10.2 cents last year. Let's just say it's
44 Post contains links Padcrasher : Here are some good graphs from Unisys showing how operating costs go down as stage length increases. http://www.unisys.com/transportation...ights__com
45 RayChuang : I think if UA is smart, they need to strongly advertise their p.s. flights between LAX and JFK to the entertainment community. And also set up on both
46 Zrs70 : You can buy a one way Z fare (resticted business) for about $550 LAX-JFK.
47 Delta767300ER : UAL's PS Cabin Layout sounds sweet. I wouldnt mind flying transcons on a Boeing 757 in the PS Cabin Layout and I have always been very anti-757 Transc
48 SU : they do: UA 14 and 18 are both redeye ps. flights.
49 Baw716 : I reran the numbers and looked at their system numbers and their 2005 1Q system CASM was 10.3 per mile. Therefore, if we use that iso 13.9, we get a r
50 Dagell : i've got some new pictures of the p.s. flight. I'm new, how do you post them?
51 Gkpetery : i agree that the service level varies depending on the crew you get. Flight 18 to JFK redeye didn't do much. The flight back on Flight 25 were excelle
52 Gkpetery : I heard the UA is the corporate carrier for a lot of the entertainment companies, which is also why they get to fly the Oscars from Chicago to LA eve
53 Dagell : I tried uploading the pictures of UA ps 9A Exit, but they were under 1MB, so Airliners.net would post it. I swear, in the picture, you could lay compl
54 Post contains links Gkpetery : I've found some pics: http://www.unitedps.com/presskit
55 777XI : 13 aircraft flying 7 LAX-JFK and 6 SFO-JFK. Also, there have been aircraft subs on SFO-IAD and SFO-LAX in the past that I have witnessed myself (a bi
56 OH-LGA : SFO-SEA received a p.s. bird for a roundtrip a couple weeks back. Kai
57 Dagell : does anyone have pics of the CO trans atlantic 757 product for comparison?
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