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LH Coming To TPA?  
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

The last issue of British magazine Aircrafts Illustrated had a feature about Florida´s Airports and their pax-volume.
In this article it was mentioned that (whoever at) TPA was in talks with LH to start service to TPA (assumingly from FRA).

Any more info about this ?
From my perspective this would be a good move (serving the Orlando area), but on the other hand, there would be (almost) no connections available from TPA on *A (but then the same is true for MIA ?).
Maybe LH will make that a non-daily flight (in initial stages) ?

P.S. There has been speculation (or even continues "confirmation from an insider") in other threads that LH was to start services to STL soon ...
-HT


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6438 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Condor was already here, that didn't work, why would LH try? Most people think LH ALREADY serves TPA, there are LH signs all over the airport. Of course its just a codeshare with UA Big grin


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
Of course its just a codeshare with UA

... and route their pax through IAD, which has become infamous for delays recently !

DE (Condor) now serves RSW and MCO, IIRC ...
-HT



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting HT (Thread starter):
From my perspective this would be a good move (serving the Orlando area), but on the other hand, there would be (almost) no connections available from TPA on *A (but then the same is true for MIA ?).

MIA is a much larger market than TPA. I don't see Lufthansa coming to Tampa anytime soon. They already have British Airways, who does well, and that satisfies the market. If could see Condor returning in the future, though.



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

I really doubt that LH will start an flight to TPA with its own metal. Perhaps they will have a codeshare with UA via IAD.

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):

I think they already do that.

LH needs to go back to PHX. That was the best destination ever for them. Atleast hotel wise. They stayed at the Tapatio Resorts, which has numerous pools and all the goodies.


User currently offlineSelcalcheckok From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

It is in the works to go to TPA.

ck


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Quoting Selcalcheckok (Reply 6):
It is in the works to go to TPA.

If I take this as a confirmation, we will have new LH-services to TPA and STL in the (next) future ?

Can this expansion already be seen as a move to reduce LH´s dependency on onward connections (with taking a little bit the "unsecure" future of UA into account) ? Or would it bejust a move to open up new markets ?

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 5):
LH needs to go back to PHX.

No doubt that I do support this opinion (as I already expressed in other threads).


With all these possible new services opening up in some future ...: Is it absolutely necessary to operate daily flights into every destination, or could a destination also live with a (say) 4 flights per week (in case loadfactors aren´t so high) ? Of course, when trying to fill the a/c with business travellers, a connection that is offered daily obviously is the best thing.
But seeing that LH currently has the A330/A343 as the smallest longhaul-a/c in its inventory it might become difficult to fill that cabin to satisfactory levels (unless LH once again leases B763´s for those routes).
-HT



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 5):
That was the best destination ever for them. Atleast hotel wise.

...and lord knows that airlines base intercontinental longhaul service on hotel choice  Yeah sure

Anywho, like Mark, I could see a FRA nonstop returning as an LH codeshare on DE-- that's if LH still even does that (anyone?)


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3085 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
If I take this as a confirmation, we will have new LH-services to TPA and STL in the (next) future ?

The LH rumor turds have been floating in the Mississippi for years. Its possible they will make an entrance into St. Louis, but I'll believe it when I see it. The most concrete evidence I've ever seen is a news report saying that LH officials visited w/ city and airport officials, thats it.


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3079 times:

Seeing as BA considers TPA as one of their "3rd tier" routes in the US network (along with BWI and DFW), I can't see LH taking on TPA with LH metal. I could however see DE operating a 767 to the market.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3054 times:

Lufthansa doesnt have free planes sitting around.

It measures, with a tremendous amount of accuracy, its next most profitable incremental mission for an A333/340.

Considering the mass expansion needed for Asia and the sub-continent, I doubt you will see Lufthansa move into secondary markets like PIT/STL/TPA etc.


User currently offlineOrd777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3045 times:

LH officials have also been at some other US cities (besides TPA and STL) recentley - so they're just weighing their options right now. I wouldn't plan on seeing them at STL any time soon though. The most likely candidate is somewhere they used to fly  Wink.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 9):
The LH rumor turds have been floating in the Mississippi for years.

For both you and US...

...we were up against MSP and PDX a while back, and it's apparent who won. *sigh*


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 2970 times:

Lots of LH expansion in the USA rumors lately: PIT, STL and now TPA. I really dont see any of these cities happening in the near term future, but who knows. My bet would be on LH re-launching the PHX route once the HP/US merger is finalized and organized - LH could tap into the large HP/US hub at PHX at that point. The combination of O&D traffic at PHX plus connections throughout the southwest available on HP/US via PHX could make this route work the second time around.

One note in support of TPA, Florida has become a very popular destination for Germans, not only for holidays but also for second homes. And it seems, at least from whom I have spoken with, that the Germans prefer the Florida Gulf Coast when buying second homes. Europeans have participated in the Florida real estate craze that has been going on for the past few years.....and people going back and forth frequently between their primary residence in Europe and their holiday residence in Florida plus all of the associated friends, family and visitors that will also make trips to Florida does, when taken as a whole, generate a considerable amount of traffic. And, the yeilds on this type of traffic is not bad (not great, but not bad).....this is a step beyond the lowest fare holiday traffic. Is this German second home phenomeon enough to encourage LH to open a flight between TPA and FRA - I really dont know, but it must be a consideraton.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 2962 times:

Alot of what LH will and won't do with secondary markets, such as PIT, MSY, STL, SAN, PDX etc. has to do with what the airport will do for them. IIRC, PDX gave them a pretty sweet deal as far as landing fees and other airport expenses go. With that being said, what the airport will do for LH is definitely one of the factors that could determine whether one of those secondary markets would be given a shot. Just my take on the issue.

User currently offlineLee From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 2940 times:

This type of route would be perfect for the 787.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
And it seems, at least from whom I have spoken with, that the Germans prefer the Florida Gulf Coast when buying second homes.

Like most Europeans, the South Florida area is the perferred area for second home purchased in numbers, though Germans do definitley perfer the Gulf Coast more than other Europeans. Their preference, though, is the Fort Myers area, which is why RSW has year-round scheduled service to Munich, Dusseldorf, and Frankfurt on LTU and Condor. The Brits perfer the Tampa Bay/Sarasota area.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 15):
Alot of what LH will and won't do with secondary markets, such as PIT, MSY, STL, SAN, PDX etc. has to do with what the airport will do for them

I agree with that LambertMan. And I can tell you that I have little faith in LH flying down here with the way our airport works. The head of the aviation board here is a CEO of a local Fortune 500 company and I really thought once he took over that he would push hard to get some more internatonal flying, using incentives if need be. I have yet to hear of MSY offering incentives for new international service. I'm glad PDX gets it right...we sure can't when it comes to international flying!


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

What exactly did PDX give LH? I can't seem to remember...

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):
I have yet to hear of MSY offering incentives for new international service.

Dropping landing fees by 69% (now appropriate, for this city  Wink) helps, but it's nothing compared to offering free fees for year(s), or the like

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18):
I'm glad PDX gets it right...we sure can't when it comes to international flying!

*sigh*
Maybe soon; Nagin seems to have made it a platform.

Maybe soon.


User currently offlineUAalltheway From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Oo.. that's nice.

Thanks for the tip.

That'll come in very handy in a year or so.  Wink  Smile


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