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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Are there any potential flights on the list for long haul operations from Denver?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

BA flies a 777 from DEN to LHR daily

LH flies a 744 from DEN to FRA daily

Not sure if this is what you are asking?


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

...not quite, but thanks.

Any future flights on new carriers ie: NRT, CDG, etc. I guess we'll just have to wait for the 787...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1426 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

There has been specualtions of AF jumping on and flying to DEN...also there have been some rumors of UA starting service to Asia, although I do not if it'll ever happen since they already have SFO and LAX. I think the biggest rumor is LH going a second flight to MUC.

It is kinda hard for DEN to be a major player in Long Haul flights like LAX, JFK, ORD....since it is in the middle of the US



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 3):
since it is in the middle of the US

Since when did ORD move to the coast??

Anyway, the reason DEN now has a 16,000 foot runway is specifically to allow flights to Asia. They just have not materialized yet because they would have to mostly rely on O&D



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Since when did ORD move to the coast??

I live in Kansas. Many people don't consider ORD to be in the Mid West. DEN is much closer to the middle of the US then ORD is.
DEN is about a 6 hour drive west of the geographical center of the lower 48 states. ORD is more than a 12 hour drive EAST of the center.

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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

I'd look for DEN-NRT with an ANA 787 once those aircraft are delivered. It seems like a perfect route for that aircraft. This depends on how UAL is doing in DEN at that time of course.

User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Anyway, the reason DEN now has a 16,000 foot runway is specifically to allow flights to Asia. They just have not materialized yet because they would have to mostly rely on O&D

Not necessarily, they could use feeder traffic from cities on the east coast, places that don't have non-stop flights to Asia, ie, BOS, MSY, STL, MKE, PIT, PHL, CLT, MCO, TPA, etc. But the question is, would UA want to take that traffic away from SFO or LAX? Both times I have been to Asia I connected in SFO and enjoye it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Since when did ORD move to the coast??

I don't believe he ever said it was on the coast, for European flights, its quite closer to the Atlantic.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 5):
DEN is about a 6 hour drive west of the geographical center of the lower 48 states. ORD is more than a 12 hour drive EAST of the center.

Although driving times often don't mean much when you are talking about direct measurements...here's a map of the distances between DEN/ORD and the contiguous 48 centerpoint...might be a bit more accurate than driving times...

DEN to lower 48 center - 324 mi
ORD to lower 48 center- 579 mi

DEN-N39+50++++++++W98+35%0D%0AORD-N39+50++++++++W98+35%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&MARKER=1&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=" target=_blank>http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=D...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3517 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

the midwest is normally considered South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. Colorado is considered part of the west. Geographically speaking, yes, denver is closer to the geographic center of the United States, but coloquiall speaking, it's part of the "west".


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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Planespot
You are correct. I have just lived in Kansas too long.

No one here considers Ohio to be the Midwest (the middle of the West). We don't consider anything east of the Mississippi River to be "west".

I remember talking to someone in Conn. once. They asked were I was from, and I told them. They said, "Oh I have been out West; our family traveled out to Ohio once".



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User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 9):
the midwest is normally considered South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. Colorado is considered part of the west. Geographically speaking, yes, denver is closer to the geographic center of the United States, but coloquiall speaking, it's part of the "west".

Right! Colorado is a hybird state. Half Great Plains half Rocky Mountains.
Rocky Mountains=The West.



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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 3):
It is kinda hard for DEN to be a major player in Long Haul flights like LAX, JFK, ORD....since it is in the middle of the US



Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Since when did ORD move to the coast??

Read the sentence again, but leave out the bit in the middle:

It is kinda hard for DEN to be a major player in Long Haul flights....since it is in the middle of the US

(the it was referring to DEN, not ORD - nor, indeed LAX or JFK)

I agree with that statement. Geographically, DEN's location makes it harder for Asian or eastern European flights to fly non-stop.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1426 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 12):
Read the sentence again, but leave out the bit in the middle:

It is kinda hard for DEN to be a major player in Long Haul flights....since it is in the middle of the US

(the it was referring to DEN, not ORD - nor, indeed LAX or JFK)

I agree with that statement. Geographically, DEN's location makes it harder for Asian or eastern European flights to fly non-stop.



That's what I meant....if UA where to start service, whcih I doubt...they already have ORD/IAD whic is closer to Europe and LAX/SFO which is closer to Asia.

It seems to me like DEN is to UA what DFW is to AA, it's a major hub for domestic traffic. Like AA, most of its international flights are handled at their coast hubs (LAX, JFK, MIA)



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User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 13):
It seems to me like DEN is to UA what DFW is to AA, it's a major hub for domestic traffic. Like AA, most of its international flights are handled at their coast hubs (LAX, JFK, MIA)

While that may be somewhat true, DFW does have daily flights to Asia, Europe and South America.

I know for Europe they have 3 daily flights to LGW, one daily to CDG, one daily FRA and one daily to ZRH. As far as Asia goes, they have a daily flight to NRT. Soon to be launched is DFW-KIX.

I am not sure about DEN, but DFW does see some pretty good service to Europe.


To South America, they have a daily flight to LIM, 2 daily flights to CCS M-F, and Sat and Sun is just one daily. EZE is also served daily, as is SCL. GRU is also served with a daily non-stop flight. Those are all I know off the top of my head, there may be more.

So, I wouldn't exactly say DEN is the same as DFW, as DFW does see its good amount of international flights.

[Edited 2005-07-20 22:03:19]

[Edited 2005-07-20 22:04:24]


Aside from Foreign carriers, does UA offer any serice to Europe?

[Edited 2005-07-20 22:07:35]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32572 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 14):
As far as Asia goes, they have a daily flight to NRT. Soon to be launched is DFW-KIX.

DFW-NRT is now 2x daily on AA, and Korean Air flies DFW-ICN (5w, IIRC).

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 14):

To South America, they have a daily flight to LIM, 2 daily flights to CCS M-F, and Sat and Sun is just one daily. EZE is also served daily, as is SCL. GRU is also served with a daily non-stop flight. Those are all I know off the top of my head, there may be more.

AA's DFW-CCS flight is daily, there is no second frequency. DFW-GRU is currently 12x weekly, but back to daily in the fall.



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User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
AA's DFW-CCS flight is daily, there is no second frequency. DFW-GRU is currently 12x weekly, but back to daily in the fall.

interesting, i was just checking the one world timetable and it has a second frequency on mtwtf


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 7):
But the question is, would UA want to take that traffic away from SFO or LAX?

...not much of a question really: the answer is more than apparent.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 9):
the midwest is normally considered South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. Colorado is considered part of the west. Geographically speaking, yes, denver is closer to the geographic center of the United States, but coloquiall speaking, it's part of the "west".

Actually nowadays, the midwest is refering to Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan. Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and the Dakotas are considered as the "plains" states nowadays in newer geography and history textbooks.


And the fact that DEN is in the middle of the country has nothing to do with the fact that it does not have as many long haul flights as ORD, SFO, DFW, or LAX. There are many other issues involved. Fleet restrictions, the existence of a market, etc...


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Since when did ORD move to the coast??

Slightly off-topic, but I couldn´t resist ...
As fas as I can remember, Chicago always has been "on the coast" (... of Lake Michigan ! )  biggrin 

And please be reminded, that aircraft-carrier training used to be carried out on Lake Michigan during World War 2 - and a lot of a/c still lie on the ground of Lake Michigan.
-HT



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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1296 times:

Colorado is the West! It is not the most western state from a geographical standpoint, but in spirit it is about as West as you can get.

Additional long-haul flights are not very likely though. To start with, there is not a large population in the surounding catchment area of Western, SouthWest, and Plains states.

From there, not enough traffic to South America or Australia (when the aircraft are available) to make sense. Perhaps another flight to Europe to CDG/London/Munchen, seasonal service. For Asia, only Japan is a big enough draw for Denver, and UA ain't gonna take the jump with their own metal - they would prefer to codeshare on ANA. Net, I hope to ride an ANA 787 to DEN someday.


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