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Air India:The West Strikes Back  
User currently offlineRocketman742 From India, joined Oct 2004, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

For a few years now many outsourcing back office jobs have been moving from the west to companies in India leading to heartburn in the west over the loss of jobs to Indians. The west has now struck back. Air India a wholly owned company of the govt of India a national carrier to boot has been steadily bringing in foreign Pilots to replace jobs that can be done by local pilots. Example on the B777 fleet of a total of 26 captains only 4 are Indian while a whopping 22 are a mix of brits ,aussie , russian etc. The 744s are slowly becoming a retirement home for ex BA pilots who want to live in London and fly only to the US. The A310 are also seeing all types of east Europeans who can fly the plane but cant read a checklist in English. At least another 50 are are due to join up in the next few months. This unprecedented influx is leading to a lot of anger amongst AI FOs who are now stuck being first officers as there is no requirement for new capts. The west is truly taking its revenge.

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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting Rocketman742 (Thread starter):
The west is truly taking its revenge

The West is not taking its revenge - this is indeed unfair to say. The airline is too stupid to maintain a long-term personnel plan. I personally do not care if the a/c are flewn by Indians or Westeners.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Quoting Rocketman742 (Thread starter):
Air India a wholly owned company of the govt of India a national carrier to boot has been steadily bringing in foreign Pilots to replace jobs that can be done by local pilots.

Since local pilots are not available to be Captains, it makes good business sense to hire foreign Captains until the local FOs become Captains. Do the foreign Captains have to join the Pilots union? Are they paid about the same with benefits that are given to local Captains?


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Outsourcing is not a one way street. I think Mrniji is right, AI did not plan accordingly to staff its pilots. And with the breakneck expansion of AI, IC and other airlines, old and new, the situation will get worse. The hiring of foreign pilots is only a stop gap.


Boston, USA
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2882 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

As long as they can fly the plane safely from point A to point B i am least bothered if i am being flown by
Captain Jackson or Captain Jaikishan.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 4):

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you've said it all and said it well!!!



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17286 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting Rocketman742 (Thread starter):
Air India a wholly owned company of the govt of India a national carrier to boot has been steadily bringing in foreign Pilots to replace jobs that can be done by local pilots.

Those bastards!!!!  Wink



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6079 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

This is a strike back? Thousands on thousand of jobs in the US alone lost and India highers maybe a 100 foreign pilots? This is not exactly what I call a strike back.

When Air India, JET, etc open res. offices in the US, UK, or out of the country, then I'd call it a strike back!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

This comparison must be a joke... as ASSFO said, 24 pilots does not make up for the thousands of jobs

User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Cathay and Air China have used US pilots for years

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

I think this just maybe the tip of a really big iceberg. In the very long run, I am sure that local hires will end up comprising the majority of the pilot corps. But judging by the amount of airplanes recently ordered by Indian companies and the amount of time and resources necessary to train a pilot to fly a transport airplane, there could be tremendous opportunities for qualified pilots in India in the next 5 years.

I also disagree that this is revenge at all. I do not believe that thousands of Indians are being laid off to be replaced by non-Indians.

[Edited 2005-07-20 23:57:47]

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Quoting Rocketman742 (Thread starter):
steadily bringing in foreign Pilots to replace jobs that can be done by local pilots.

The question is this... Are there local pilots available? Since:

Quoting Rocketman742 (Thread starter):
And with the breakneck expansion of AI, IC and other airlines, old and new, the situation will get worse.


User currently offlineRmenon From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jun 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3072 times:

Rocketman,

The phoren influx ain't stopping anytime soon, and while we may think that the "west is taking revenge", is it really??

Considering the number of desis who went the other way to SIA, MH, EK, etc this is just a drop in the bucket. I believe Jet is only taking Direct Entry Capts, no F/Os, contract terms are limited to 1 or 1.5 years only.

Finally, what is the alternative? a desi 200 hr CPL sitting in the right seat of a 777 - not a leap considering they are in 737s already..? How will the labor pool get bigger when it is hard to find any CFIs teaching anywhere, because they are all flying right seat 737 NG?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3321 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Does it really matter?? as long as the guy flying the thing is capable, who cares!

i recently flew SQ, and on both sectors the pilots announcements had a distinct australian twag! who cares!??


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting Rocketman742 (Thread starter):
The A310 are also seeing all types of east Europeans who can fly the plane but cant read a checklist in English. At least another 50 are are due to join

If these guys cannot read a check list in English, how do they communicate with the FOs and cabin crew or for that matter the engineering or commercial staff?



An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):
announcements had a distinct australian twang! who cares!??

That all depends on the rugby results if there are Kiwi's on board!!!!  Wink


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

In the last few months Nearly all Pvt carriers have hired Expats.But its only a Temp phase.Until the Locals Qualify.
At BDA/DHL 6 Brazilians have joined up in Flt ops as commanders,They have a different accent but they know their job very well.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

AIX had to suspend a couple of flights from DEL/BOM, as six pilots resigned w/o notice.. check the Press Section on the AI webpage...

Everyone who wants to make big Rs. become a pilot  Wink


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 17):
Everyone who wants to make big Rs. become a pilot

You've got to spent a lot Initially.Better still be an AME  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 17):
AIX had to suspend a couple of flights from DEL/BOM, as six pilots resigned w/o notice..

They were originally Ex S2,Went back.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
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