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First Signs Of A US CRJ900  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

On the computer at work today when I restarted my gate manager I was prompted by a message saying "new a/c type added, CR90". This may be a hint that PSA will be taking delivery of the CRJ 950.

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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

interesting. in my conversations with PS crews they all are telling me that the carrier has no intentions at this point in time to begin to operate a third subtype. then again, they could just be covering it all up. has PS recieved all of it's ordered -700s? in all honesty, i would love to see the -900 in our colors but cringe at the idea of trying to push it back in our tight alleys here in LGA.


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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

sorry, forgot to ask this earlier. what station are you talking about? might it be KLCT?


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

I work at PIT but I highly doubt it will ever come in here

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

Wild guess, but maybe it has something to do with HP and their CR9s Mesa has?


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
On the computer at work today when I restarted my gate manager I was prompted by a message saying "new a/c type added, CR90"

US/HP will be moving some of the CRJ-900s flown by Mesa and currently in the HP system out east to fly in the US system, probably as early as November.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
This may be a hint that PSA will be taking delivery of the CRJ 950.

What's a CRJ-950?  Smile

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 1):
has PS recieved all of it's ordered -700s?

PSA has completed its CRJ-701 order at 14.



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User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

Probably Mesa moving 18 of the -900s into the system. On the rumor mill side of things... could be -950s for AWAC.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

CRJ-900's might very well be the beginning of the end of US mainline in PIT for anything but PHL/LAS/PHX/CLT/Florida runs. Time will tell.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

On the rumor mill side of things... could be -950s for AWAC.

That's quite the rumor, seeing as how this thread is the first I've ever heard of the CRJ-950.

CRJ-900's might very well be the beginning of the end of US mainline in PIT for anything but PHL/LAS/PHX/CLT/Florida runs. Time will tell.

It's a little late for that. The only mainline left at PIT that doesn't go to a hub/focus city, Florida, or the west coast are 1x BWI, 1x MSY, 3x ORD. That's it. (The BWI is presumably for aircraft rotation, as there's no reason whatsoever for that flight to be mainline.)

Most or all of the Mesa CRJ-900s that are coming over will go to CLT, primarily to existing 737 routes, with two or so new routes being announced, and a few upgrades on existing CRJ-700 routes.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
It's a little late for that. The only mainline left at PIT that doesn't go to a hub/focus city, Florida, or the west coast are 1x BWI, 1x MSY, 3x ORD. That's it. (The BWI is presumably for aircraft rotation, as there's no reason whatsoever for that flight to be mainline.)

You missed at least one, depending on your interpretation of these others:
BOS gets A321 and 733
DCA has some A319s mixed in with the E170s.. though could be argued as a "focus city" to some extent
LGA is likewise to DCA
DEN Not quite a transcon, but probably out of useful range of even an E170

MSY... WHY?!?!%?!
ORD... they pissed that business away just in time for WN to come to town. That's the biggest O&D market out of PIT, and those businessmen weren't going to switch to Walmart Air to go to the airport in the hood. (though MDW is MUCH more convenient for some locations) and I doubt they really wanted to start flying Eagle's ERJ's and UA's/AWAC's old BAe-146's

US wants to drop those west coast flights from PIT... even though LA and SFO have 679 and 522 pax respectively (#6 and #7 markets). If US can't find a away to make a profit between those 2 cities and PIT with that kind of O&D count and no direct LCC competition they really do need to get out of the airline business. But then again this is the airline that insists on running RJ's ERI-PIT, ABE/MDT/SCE/AVP-PHL, and other horrendously short hops that just piss away fuel.

CO successfully runs their CLE hub as nothing but RJ's and a few mainline to the other hubs and huge destinations... and a few 757's to top European destinations... to connect the midwest/Lakes region to their network, and get traffic out of the already congested EWR... and they're PROFITABLE... something that US can only dream of.  scratchchin 


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
MSY... WHY?!?!%?!

Because the flight has the demand to warrant a 319, why else? Don't you think they would have cut it already if it isn't doing any good? It's one flight we're talking about here, the only nonstop in the market.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

You missed at least one, depending on your interpretation of these others:
BOS gets A321 and 733
DCA has some A319s mixed in with the E170s.. though could be argued as a "focus city" to some extent
LGA is likewise to DCA


Um, I interpret those cities as focus cities, along with everybody else. Hell, DCA has far more mainline flights and more seats than PIT.  Yeah sure

MSY... WHY?!?!%?!

That'll likely be downgraded to a 70-seat jet before long.

ORD... they pissed that business away just in time for WN to come to town. That's the biggest O&D market out of PIT, and those businessmen weren't going to switch to Walmart Air to go to the airport in the hood. (though MDW is MUCH more convenient for some locations) and I doubt they really wanted to start flying Eagle's ERJ's and UA's/AWAC's old BAe-146's

What are you talking about? How did they "piss that business away" if you're saying that people don't want to fly the other carriers on the route? They still fly mainline equipment on the route. They dropped two frequencies to start DCA-ORD, due to the new de facto slot controls at ORD.

US wants to drop those west coast flights from PIT... even though LA and SFO have 679 and 522 pax respectively (#6 and #7 markets). If US can't find a away to make a profit between those 2 cities and PIT with that kind of O&D count and no direct LCC competition they really do need to get out of the airline business.

No, US is dropping the SAN/SEA flights. The LAX/SFO/PHX/LAS flights will be reduced to the level supported by the O&D pax on the routes, not all of whom fly US.

CO successfully runs their CLE hub as nothing but RJ's and a few mainline to the other hubs and huge destinations... and a few 757's to top European destinations

CO has one, not a few, seasonal 757 flight on CLE-LGW.

and they're PROFITABLE... something that US can only dream of.

US will post a profit for this quarter as well. Just like they did in 2Q04, when CO was not profitable.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Since when is US considering BOS a focus city? All their literature says PHL/CLT hubs. FLL/PIT "primary focus city" and then some add in DCA/LGA to that list with FLL/PIT (hence why I wrote it like I did).

The frequency drops on PIT-ORD were pretty bad. 2 years ago when I was living in VPZ I could pick almost any hour of the day to hit an ORD-PIT leg, the only problem was getting one to mesh up good with a PIT-MGW hop. Now it's the other way around.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
Because the flight has the demand to warrant a 319, why else? Don't you think they would have cut it already if it isn't doing any good? It's one flight we're talking about here, the only nonstop in the market.

The PIT-MSY O&D is the #26 in the PIT market. 155 a day. That's got RJ written all over it.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
CO has one, not a few, seasonal 757 flight on CLE-LGW.

Yes I was clicking edit post to fix that as I saw your update come in.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
US will post a profit for this quarter as well. Just like they did in 2Q04, when CO was not profitable.

A little easier to do while hiding behind the bankruptcy to avoid some creditors... and a little easier after you've cut your in-flight services ALOT more thoroughly than CO has. You get a lunch CLE-IAH on CO, what do you get PIT/PHL-IAH on US? (Just one example off the top of my head from doing the flight this week)


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 12):
The PIT-MSY O&D is the #26 in the PIT market. 155 a day. That's got RJ written all over it.

It does, but not through the Fall at least. Still a daily 319.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 13):
It does, but not through the Fall at least. Still a daily 319.

Yeah I see that... just questioning why as opposed to all the other stuff which is already RJ-ed or cut completely from PIT. Seems odd. Some higher O&D markets than that have been hacked up pretty ugly already.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 12):
Since when is US considering BOS a focus city? All their literature says PHL/CLT hubs. FLL/PIT "primary focus city" and then some add in DCA/LGA to that list with FLL/PIT (hence why I wrote it like I did).

As far as I know, the old US and the new US will have:

hubs at PHL, CLT, PHX
other hubs at PIT, LAS
focus cities at FLL, DCA, LGA, BOS
gateways at LAX, SAN

personally, I could see LAS becoming a full hub, LAX becoming a focus city, and SAN/PIT becoming destinations



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
Yeah I see that... just questioning why as opposed to all the other stuff which is already RJ-ed or cut completely from PIT. Seems odd. Some higher O&D markets than that have been hacked up pretty ugly already.

I honestly thought that the route would get cut to two ERJ's or something of the sort when the big PIT cuts took place, but this one has hung in there. It generally goes out full too. It's probably ultimetely doomed to be cut down to an RJ of some sort, but i'm enjoying it while it's around.

MSY is probably a strong enough leisure and convention market to warrant 100+ seats a day from PIT.


User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
As far as I know, the old US and the new US will have:

hubs at PHL, CLT, PHX
other hubs at PIT, LAS
focus cities at FLL, DCA, LGA, BOS
gateways at LAX, SAN

personally, I could see LAS becoming a full hub, LAX becoming a focus city, and SAN/PIT becoming destinations

SAN? They operate a good number of flights now but a gateway of decent size I do not see coming to SAN.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
personally, I could see LAS becoming a full hub, LAX becoming a focus city, and SAN/PIT becoming destinations

I could see it too... but like I've said the CO in CLE method is the method that makes the most sense to do (and evidentally works! CO is adding flights to CLE while US slashes PIT). Especially with US' convoluted networks on each coast with NOTHING in between. PIT will be within RJ range of almost any city in the Midwest/Plains. That extra 250mi (plus taxi-line fuel burn) in PHL cuts out a bit of that potential market. Just like people would rather connect in CLE than EWR because of convenience of connections... people would rather connect in PIT than PHL... and the people with enough money to be picky/choosey, are the one's with the money to pay high yield fares... not "Go Fares"


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Since when is US considering BOS a focus city?

Only for the last 15 or 20 years.

All their literature says PHL/CLT hubs. FLL/PIT "primary focus city" and then some add in DCA/LGA to that list with FLL/PIT (hence why I wrote it like I did).

I don't know what literature you've been reading, but I'd ask for a refund.  Silly

A little easier to do while hiding behind the bankruptcy to avoid some creditors

Of course, US wasn't in bankruptcy last year, US has to pay all post-petition bills, and has extra bills for bankruptcy counsel. So no, it's not a little easier to do.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 19):
Only for the last 15 or 20 years

Really, I didn't realize that. I thought it was only officially announced in the past 2 or 3 years or so... hmm..learn somet'ing new e'ryday!



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

US has always had a large operation in BOS thanks to the Shuttle down to LGA, all the Express flights to various places in New England (not sure if a lot of these are still around), and the good number of flights to their hubs. I think they promoted the fact that they had the most daily flights from BOS at one point or another.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

They have around 110 flights or so out of BOS each day...mainline to PHL, CLT, PIT (4 mainline, only 2 RJs), BDA, SJU, FLL, LGA and DCA on a daily basis. AUA and CUN have weekend service. RJ service is pretty varied...runs from New England towns (PQI, RKD, AUG, ACK, BHB), to New York (ROC, SYR, BUF, HPN, ISP), to the South (MYR, GSO, CHS, SAV, RIC all receive some service - GSO and RIC are the only dailies)...MDT and IND also receive some service.

Jeff


User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

If the code for the A/C is CR90 that means that it will be operated by PSA. In SABRE the code for Mesa CRJs is RJFG and AWAC is RJZW. The codes for PSA A/C are CR20 and CR70 so the next logical step would be a CR90.

User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
US has always had a large operation in BOS thanks to the Shuttle down to LGA, all the Express flights to various places in New England

Until recently US Express even flew from BOS to the secondary Upstate New York airports like BGM and ELM (possibly even ITH). This went on for years. US even used BOS as a gateway for awhile in the mid 90s, especially in the winter. The FRA-PIT flight would stop in BOS. This was a real pain, in my opinion.


25 Post contains images A330323X : Nope, in fact, the US operation at BOS is only about half the size it was before 9/11. Yep, for a long while they were around 200 flights a day. Down
26 Jdwfloyd : I am just saying that the only CRJ900 that is showing in the system at this time is one operated by PSA. There are no signs as of yet of a Mesa or Wh
27 A330323X : The Mesa ones won't (can't) show up until after the merger.
28 Jdwfloyd : I really dont think that we will ever see a Mesa CRJ900 in Airways paint. From what I understand Mesa is on the way out. I am not sure the date but th
29 Post contains links A330323X : The Mesa aircraft (23x CRJ-200 and 36x ERJ-145) currently in the USX fleet will all be leaving, because US can get out of the contract in bankruptcy.
30 Tornado82 : What the hell would have inspired Mesa to buy both CRJ-200's and ERJ-145's... that throws any semblance of fleet commonality out the window?
31 ERJ170 : Dang.. I am thinking wrong again. I thought they were just keeping the CR9. Will ZW be mainly on the East Coast, Midwest, or West Coast? How long unt
32 A330323X : Air Wisconsin will be primarily flying routes that are currently being flown by PSA and Mesa in DCA and PHL, with a lesser presence in CLT, where PSA
33 ERJ170 : US originally had an order for 85 E70, correct? When they fell on hard times, they deferred those aircraft (or did Embraer cancel the contract?) When
34 Usairways85 : Alright i am a bit confused where Republic comes into play. Is US selling the E70's to Republic, only to have Republic fly them as a contract regional
35 A330323X : Mesa and Bombardier had a huge fight, so Mesa ordered some planes from Embraer. They ordered 36 with 64 options, none of which have been exercised. M
36 Trvlr : I'm sure America West is referring to their secondary international network from SAN. When they made this announcement, HP operated SAN-YVR, SAN-SJD,
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