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US Cities Formerly Having Trans-atlantic Service  
User currently offlineMyOthrCarsA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 8835 times:

I'm pretty new around here, so accept my apologies if this has been covered before:

Are there any cities in the US that, at one point, had non-stop scheduled service to Europe and no longer do? I think I've heard there used to be an MSY-CDG non-stop. Is this true, and are there any others?

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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 8828 times:

PIT? [filler][filler][filler]

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 8827 times:

St.Louis = LGW, CDG, FRA?..

San Diego = London



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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 8816 times:

Fort Lauderdale, Daytona Beach, Ft. Myers....

User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 8787 times:

CLT used to have service from BA to LGW and LH to FRA.

User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 8775 times:

PIT used to have service to CDG, LGW, and FRA on US as well as service to LHR on BA (before US started its service)

User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 3):
Fort Lauderdale, Daytona Beach, Ft. Myers....

I believe that LTU still operates their A-330's in the winter to RSW and DAB(during winter and racing) however I could be wrong.

DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8745 times:

MSY had nonstop service at one point or another to LGW (BA), AMS (NA), and CDG (NA).

BA did MEX-MSY-LGW with an L15 three times a week.

National flew DC10-30's.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8699 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
BA did MEX-MSY

Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 6):

I believe that LTU still operates their A-330's in the winter to RSW and DAB(during winter and racing) however I could be wrong.

LTU operates RSW-DUS and RSW-MUC year-round, while Condor operates RSW-FRA year-round, all scheduled. DAB no longer has trans-Atlantic services.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 8):
Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)

I want to say yes, but i'm not certain of that. Perhaps someone has an answer for us?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

Quoting Willbdsp (Reply 5):
PIT used to have service to CDG, LGW, and FRA on US as well as service to LHR on BA (before US started its service)

The BA service was to LGW, and usually operated by a wet-lease with US. PIT is not a designated LHR gateway.



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
The BA service was to LGW, and usually operated by a wet-lease with US. PIT is not a designated LHR gateway.

Prior to the US/BA alliance BA operated at various times PIT-PHL-LHR; PIT-IAD-LHR.

C.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5438 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

DTW (maybe YIP) and CLE used to have JAT flights.


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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 8):

Were pax allowed to ticket on that MEX-MSY segment? (5th freedom, I think?)

Probably so. I flew MEX-IAH back in the 80's on AF and was allowed to book it and ticket it. The flight operated MEX-IAH-CDG. If AF was doing this type of bookings BA probably could do it as well.

Just a guess..



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

AA once served CDG from SJC on a 767-300


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User currently offlineReins485 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

AA once did BNA-LGW with a 767

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
MSY had nonstop service at one point or another to LGW (BA), AMS (NA), and CDG (NA)

Slight corrections:
MSY has enjoyed; but mostly lost to Houston and especially that damn Miami; nonstop service to LGW (BA), AMS (NA), FRA (NA), and ORY (NA)

...unfortunately, New Orleans' Parisian nonstop service has never been to CDG  Sad  hissyfit 


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8485 times:

I dont think STL ever had CDG service? I know TWA was going to start it.

Alex



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):
I dont think STL ever had CDG service? I know TWA was going to start it.

Yes, they did. AA even kept the route as a seasonal service until 9/11 canned it.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):
I dont think STL ever had CDG service?

They did.


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

How about Bangor, ME? I know it was a stopover point for some airlines years ago. For example British Airtours used Bangor for a fuel/crew change stop back in the 80's when they were running TriStars to LAX and Florida.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Yes, they did. AA even kept the route as a seasonal service until 9/11 canned it.

Your right Mark, I am thinking of FRA right? The one TWA was going to start? Is that right?

Anyway aplogies for mistaking...

Alex



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

San Diego lost British Airways in 2003 (I believe). BA valiantly tried to maintain the service, but the revenue just wasn't there. Y class went out filled, but the premium cabin couldn't keep up.

The flight started I believe in the late 1980's (?)


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It returned with a LGW-LAX-SAN routing, later changed to LGW-PHX-SAN on a 747-400:


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When BA upgraded to a 777, the flight became a non-stop LGW-SAN, and was later transferred to LHR-SAN:


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

I remember my uncle saying something about MKE-FRA on LH back in the 80s or something. Who knows? Was he just sniffing fumes?


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25 PanAm330 : Oakland had PEOPLExpress 747 service non-stop to I believe LGW- but don't quote me on that. I do know as a fact that there was PE service to Europe. A
26 N1120A : Yep, they had 5th freedoms And this is a bad thing? ORY is closer to town Actually, the issue was not the passenger cabin, but rather cargo
27 Knope2001 : For one summer about 15-18 years ago there was once-weekly MKE-FRA service. It was essentially a scheduled charter flown with a 757 (or was it a 767)
28 SW733 : Very interesting. And WOW do I wish that was still around today, I bet it would be nice to fly from Milwaukee right to Europe.
29 BCAL : ANC used to have many services direct to European cities, the majority of them being flights stopping en-route from the Far East. Western Airlines (an
30 Knope2001 : Nashville used to have AA nonstops to LGW but no longer has anything over the Atlantic.
31 TWFirst : Yes.. that is correct. It was in the system and available for booking as of Winter 2000...service was scheduled to begin in June of 2001, but then th
32 Flyboyaz : That's right! I flew on the OAK-PPT segment, but it orginated in ORY. The flight was packed!
33 OzarkD9S : TWA did fly STL-FRA in the 80's, then replaced it with a one-stop over LGW, then discontinued it altogether. They had applied for STL-MAD in the 90's
34 PROSA : I can sort of recall TWA operating transatlantic (LGW?) service from MCI in the late 1970's/early 1980's. Is my memory faulty?
35 OzarkD9S : If I remember right, TWA was awared MCI-LGW but never operated it due to their focus on STL.
36 Knope2001 : For a time I believe they did MCI-ORD-LHR with the MCI-ORD tag being L1011, so it was sort of same-plane through service MCI-London. But I don't reca
37 FlyinTLow : What did JAT fly across the pond? I wasn't aware that LH cancelled their service into CLT. When did that happen?
38 ERJ170 : RDU used to have service to ORY.. (or was it CDG) but it was pulled...
39 Post contains images FlyingTexan : For some reason, I think that was on a DC-10.
40 A999 : BCAL When WA flew LGW-ANC-HNL there was no such thing as the "right" aircraft for LGW-HNL nonstop because no one had that range. The route could have
41 Spinkid : I believe CityBird offered OAK-BRU and MCO-BRU service around the mid 90's.
42 FlyinTLow : Didn't Aloha also fly HNL-ANC-FRA with a DC8 back in the days?
43 BCAL : A999 I seem to recall that there were passenger load penalties on WA's flights from LGW-ANC-HNL as they used the DC10-10 rather than the DC10-30 that
44 Flaps : The PIT transatlatic services that no longer exist were: TW PIT-LGW L10 TW PIT-FRA L10 BA PIT-LGW 763 BA PIT-PHL-LHR L10 BA PIT-IAD-LHR 744/742 BA PIT
45 MainMAN : DC-10s from Belgrade and Zagreb Seem to remember also that there were charters from OAK to LGW and MAN in the early 80s. No idea who operated them th
46 FlyinTLow : Very interesting. I didn't know they had DC10s. Are they / is it still in the fleet? And did they only fly to DTW and CLE?
47 SK601 : A few routes to AMS that are discontinued: NW PHL-AMS DC10 KL MCO-AMS A3?? KL MIA-AMS MD11/B767-300 NW MIA-AMS DC10 KL BWI-AMS ?? KL ANC-AMS B747-200/
48 FlySSC : ERJ170, RDU was connected to ORY, by AA. Saint-Louis was indeed linked by TWA to CDG. ANC lost many European airlines who were used to make an enroute
49 ConcordeBoy : It was ORY, and one of the reasons it was pulled was AA not wanting to switch
50 Jmy007 : They sure did! I flew on it serveral times. I thinkg it was flight 880, or at least in the 8 hundred series of flight numbers. 767 for most of the ro
51 BCAL : JAT Yugoslav Airlines also flew their DC10s to SYD. I recall that in my student days when looking for the cheapest flight from UK to Australia, JAT o
52 IRelayer : I agree. When I moved to San Diego from Chicago in '98, I was miffed at the bland selection of short-haul aircraft that populated the airport (not be
53 Dutchjet : I think most of the routes are mentioned. 1. Before JFK (Idelwild) opened, transatlantic service was operated out of LGA. 2. Before DFW opened, Branif
54 Airzim : I don't think PE flew OAK to LGW, but they did fly OAK-BRU and I think later SFO-BRU
55 Kaputt : Ive been told by my parents that ORF used to have a direct flight to London. But I've never found anything on the internet to back that up.
56 FlyinTLow : Man, the good old times and their very exotic city pairs!
57 Tsnamm : This flt was moved to IAD...cargo loads were good but passenger loads were sketchy... JAT used to have daily scheduled service JFK/BEG...until the ci
58 A999 : AA ORD-ARN 762 DL JFK-FBU-ARN/HEL 310 DL JFK-CPH 763 NW MSP-GEN-ARN/HEL 747 NW JFK-GEN 747 TW JFK-FBU L10/762 PA JFK-KEF-GEN-ARN-HEL 707 FF JFK-FBU 74
59 MAH4546 : I don't believe they did. Norfolk is not a US-UK designated gateway. Maybe way back in the 1960s, though, but not in the past 30 years. Condor flies
60 Frankhenderson : I remember in the 70's, BDL had TW non-stop to LHR using 707s. Not sure if BDL still has any service to Europe.
61 CWAFlyer : Maybe someone has an old OAG that can answer that. I don't recall MCI-ORD-LHR service, but I do remember MCI-ORD-JFK-AMS in a 1011.
62 TheCheese : BA flew over the pole to ANC and then on to the far east, as did AF, KLM, SAS, Iberia. Lots of Asian carriers did the same thing only starting in the
63 Cltguy : It happened back in the 90s...I forget the exact year. They had 747 service to FRA. Don't confuse this with their current CLT-MUC serivce on A340...t
64 Timz : A complication: lots of airlines have flown regular, scheduled transatlantic "charter" flights that never appeared in the OAG. Do they count? OAK, for
65 Post contains images Glareskin : If you read about all the disconnected peer to peer routes, you start believing that Airbus took the right direction with the A380, based on a growing
66 Stirling : I don't know about the L-1011s, but the DC-8s were known to operate HNL-ANC-ZRH for a fact. Charter. It's the only destination in Europe I am aware o
67 PROSA : I'm not totally sure, but IIRC those were charters rather than scheduled service (BDL was my "home" airport until the late 1990's). There was some ta
68 Timz : "PAN AMERICAN. Classic routing. HNL-PDX-SEA-LHR. 707-320C." When was that?
69 MAH4546 : Corsair offered ORY-OAK-PPT until the spring of 2002. In addition, OAK still has trans-Atlantic service, with SATA to the Azores.
70 Post contains links Stirling : It would have been the late 60's to mid 70's. By the late 70's, the route was truncated to PDX-SEA-LHR. Honolulu to the UK still took TWO stops, but
71 MainMAN : JFK too. I'm pretty sure they're not in the fleet now. Did they fly to MEL too? I remember from an ancient Qantas timetable, which I think also inclu
72 MainMAN : Maybe, but the 787 might make anything possible....RTM-EWR, LYS-ORD. or LGW-FLL. Only time will tell!
73 Stirling : Seasonly? Via? Scheduled? Public Charter? I know SunTrips flew it once upon a time through BOS. Rich International? Leisure Air? Can't remember exact
74 TymnBalewne : LHR...the flights would continue to Japan. Then BA got permission to offer non-stops to Japan via overflight of the Soviet Union provide some flights
75 747LUVR : MCO TO FRA service at least during the summer on Thomas Cook airlines, and Martinair also serves MCO with 763 aircraft almost daily.
76 Uswyjer : In the early 90s BDL was in talks with KLM for service to AMS... never came to fruition. There was also talks of a startup carrier called AtlanticJet
77 ConcordeBoy : Hmm, I haven't b!tched about MSY's lack of decent scheduled nonstop int'l service in a while, so I thought I'd dust off this old chestnut. In the past
78 FlyinTLow : Just checked out the SATA website, and I couldn't find OAK in there. But hey, who would have thought they flew to Providence? You learn something new
79 A999 : Stirling GK was the former Laker Airways who used to fly their "Skytrain" from LGW to JFK and LAX among others.
80 Stirling : Looks like they it is actually a public charter operated by SunTrips using SATA metal. According to the FlyOakland Website, and another Azores.com, h
81 Timz : Somebody said LH had a weekly MSY-FRA nonstop in their 1998 timetable, and somebody else said it never actually operated. Nobody ever found any other
82 MAH4546 : The service is scheduled and bookable on any public res system. It is SATA Air Acores, not SATA International, which is why it is not on SATA's websi
83 Stirling : So SunTrips is just blocking space and not chartering the entire aircraft? From today's Fresno Bee. OAKLAND AIRPORT — No one waiting at Gate 1 seem
84 MAH4546 : Excess capacity is sold off to the public. You can book this flight on any public reservation system or by calling your travel agent.
85 Bobnwa : These talks came very close, although they were with the Northwest folks in MSP.
86 Zrs70 : BOS: BOS-FRA (US,NW) BOS-LGW (NW,DL,AA) BOS-CDG (TW) BOS-LHR (UA,TW,PA) BOS-FCO (TW) BOS-MAL/MAD (IB) BOS-LIS (TP) BOS-GLA (NW) BOS-PIK (NW) BOS-Most
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