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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
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Due to industrial action, no flights have left JNB, DUR or CPT this morning. Understandably it must be utter chaos.

Here is a link to an article:

http://www.mweb.co.za/hubs/news/newsItem.aspx?id=top|2717266

I have friends who are supposed to leave for LHR tonight, connecting to YVR on AC. Hopefully they will get away. I'm just grateful that I'm not scheduled to fly out today.


Rgds

SA7700


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User currently offlineQM001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

I was just advised by SA in AMS that the two JNB-LHR flights for today have been cancelled as well as alot of domestic services and flights that are cancelled. Most Intercontinental flights without alternative services are operating and other pax have been rebooked where space is available.

Don't shoot the messenger!

QM001 (Air Malawi)



I wish there was still a flying boat service on the African Lakes!
User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Quote:


Flights on South Africa's national air carrier have been disrupted as a result of a strike by ground and cabin staff.

South African Airways (SAA) cancelled certain domestic and international flights after strike action began on Friday morning.

Unions want an 8% wage increase, rather than the 5% they have been offered. A union official has said the strike could continue for days.

SAA flights to Lusaka, Nairobi and Entebbe have been cancelled.

Internal flights between Johannesburg, Cape Town and Durban have reportedly been "delayed indefinitely".

There are reports of a 200-metre queue at Johannesburg's international departures section, and an eyewitness spoke of "chaos".

SAA advised passengers to make alternative flight arrangements for Friday.

The airline said disruption was being kept to a minimum, and that passengers were being accommodated on other airlines.


User currently offlineQM001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Well to update you all on the chaos! SAA Reps are no where to be found. It seems as though all flights have now been cancelled indefinately or at least until monday. Pax are not being rebooked at all, and most of them have been bussed to Sandton hotels. FIM's are only being issued so far for First and Biz pax, and most of these are for tomorrow only. 200 Mters according to my reports seems a little short with queues extending from the SA Intl ticketing desk all the way to the LH counters at the other end of the terminal, out the door and back down the outside of the terminal to the Car rental and parking area, that would mean a lenght of at least 750 Meters. This is only the International side!!!

So far other airlines flights are operating slightly delayed, with reports that only LH and LX will leave fully loaded and seats can currently still be booked with KL, AF, IB, OA, KQ, TP, QR, EK and BA. What is SA playing at!!!??? There are reports that SA check in staff actually changed out of their uniforms and into Civilian clothes to avoid being harassed by a "mob" of very distressed pax bound for BOM. There are reports of bribery to Check in staff to put people on any flight to anywhere.

In addition, it seams as though the flight crew have also joined the strike which is currently expected to run through Monday.

My mom was due to travel on SA 234 JNB LHR, and was advised next possible travel date was on Wednesday 27 July!

Hope no-one else has people stranded!!!

Kind regards,

QM001 (167 Air Malawi)



I wish there was still a flying boat service on the African Lakes!
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4952 times:
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My professor and his wife was booked on SA236 to LHR tonight (connecting onto AC855 to YVR tomorrow pm) and at long last have now been re-routed to LHR on OA via ATH.

SAA Management saw this coming, they were warned about pending industrial action the past few days, yet thought the unions were bluffing and in the end were buffooned bigtime today. I wish I could quantify the overall amount of lost business revenue in ZAR and present SAA Management with the bill.

Check out the official statement on their webiste:

Quote:

SAA cancels flights due to strike action

Johannesburg. 22 July 2005. South African Airways (SAA) has been able to fly thousands of passengers since industrial action started early this morning. SAA has managed to, despite the industrial action by members of its cabin crew and ground staff, to operate a number of its flights.

"We are working with our own available resources and we have enlisted the help of other airlines. Industrial action intended to ground our operations have not succeeded and we are continuing our concerted and dedicated efforts to get our passengers to their destinations."

I would love to see the actual pax figures and not the mere "thousands" of pax the PR department are mentioning. Intercontinentals like: ATL, JFK, IAD, CDG, PER and LHR were cancelled tonight and the PR-machine still want to tell me that the unions did not succeed in disrupting flights?


Rgds

SA7700



When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

this seems to be a good thing from all the other carriers.....selling tickets at full fare...especially those heading to europe ET, EK, QR,LH, KQ and BA. I hope things get resolved quickly.

User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4855 times:
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Quoting SA7700 (Reply 4):
SAA Management saw this coming, they were warned about pending industrial action the past few days, yet thought the unions were bluffing and in the end were buffooned bigtime today.

I had a meeting on Tuesday with my SA Sales rep. He advised me that they were told that there might be minor disruptions on the weekend, but they would only affect the domestic market. At 3pm Friday afternoon, I receive an email from SA Sales announcing that all U.S. services are being cancelled for Sat/Sun/Mon, and that DL will be handling all reaccommodations via Europe on Skyteam partners.

What a F***ing Joke! It took 2 hours for DL to disseminate this information amongst their res staff. It was a completely futile exercise anyway, as there is no economy class avaiiability on any Skyteam carrier (or any other carrier via Europe for that matter). My clients were due to depart SFO this Sunday. Thank God for CX!!! I was able to secure space via HKG. While not an optimal schedule, my clients will get to their tour and not lose thousands of dollars in pre-paid nonrefundable land arrangements!



It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4817 times:
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And people can flame all they want, but I'm with the unions on this one. I truly feel sorry for the pax and I am just as infuriated by this strike as much as they are.

Moreover, it is not just about the 5% vs 8% wage increase. The current management apparently have a very peculiar way of promoting staff. In one particular incident at the CPT base, a flight attendant with 1 year working experience, got promoted to purser. This while other applicants with 10 years and more experience were left out in the cold. Does this make sense?


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4777 times:
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All regional and international flights have now been suspended. This after management yesterday stated that the unions have not succeeded in grounding SAA operations.

CEO Khaya Ngqula and PR machine Ms. Uys, are you awake right now?


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

And another "pearl" by the SAA CEO...

While South African Airways faced what could be the most crippling strike in its history, the Sunday Times has reported that the airline's chief executive Khaya Ngqula on Friday "abandoned" his post to attend a "junket" at a luxurious Mpumalanga hotel.

http://www.finance24.com/articles/de...p?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-24_1742594



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

A further quote from the article JoKeR linked to...

Quote:
"The CEO was in Nelspruit where a corporate function was taking place. This was an FNB function which he had to attend as FNB is one of our biggest clients," said Tabane.

Seriously - I know that functions by an important client can be, well, important... but for the CEO of and airline effectively grounded airline to go partying while there's a strike going on????? What the... ?

HELP SAA!!! FIRE KHAYA NGQULA NOW!!!

This guy is absolutely unbelievable!

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Honestly I think under the circumstance and all you would skip this function and send a representative in your place.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 7):
In one particular incident at the CPT base, a flight attendant with 1 year working experience, got promoted to purser. This while other applicants with 10 years and more experience were left out in the cold. Does this make sense?

It only makes sense if the junior flight attendant was extremely well qualified, above and beyond the other applicants. I believe people should be promoted according to their ability. If the applicants are equal in all relevant capacities, then of course the most senior applicant should be promoted.

Best Regards,
AAgent



War Eagle!
User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

The CEO found it more important to attend a trip to the game reserve than resolve the current crises.

[i]While South African Airways faced what could be the most crippling strike in its history, the Sunday Times has reported that the airline's chief executive Khaya Ngqula on Friday abandoned his post to attend a junket at a luxurious Mpumalanga hotel.

"The CEO was in Nelspruit where a corporate function was taking place. [/i}

this current problem, may eliminate the profit made during their last financial year.


User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

All flights cancelled world wide. every where

User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4558 times:
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This whole affair is just symptomatic of a continuous downhill spiral, caused by the outrageous incompetence of SA top management. Khaya needs to go, along with the rest of the management team. Khaya's doing to SA what Sam Njoma's girlfriend did to Air Namibia - drive it straight down the crapper.


It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4509 times:
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Quoting AAgent (Reply 12):
It only makes sense if the junior flight attendant was extremely well qualified, above and beyond the other applicants. I believe people should be promoted according to their ability. If the applicants are equal in all relevant capacities, then of course the most senior applicant should be promoted.

I don't think making it to international purser in 1 year's time, goes well with extremely well qualified senior cabin crew who have patiently been waiting to get promoted.

This entire process is a joke.

Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

Anyone with photos of grounded SAA flight in Cape town and Johannesburg ?

User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 443 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Last Saturday and Sunday the SA 274 was cancelled but today SA 274 from JNB arrived this morning at ZRH with an A343. Normaly we get only A342s.

Rgds
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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4286 times:
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Apparently "relieve aircraft" have been dispatched to ATL, IAD, JFK, LHR, CDG, FRA and ZRH, to pick up stranded pax.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

SAA's current widebody operational fleet consists of:
8xB744
9xA346
3xA343
6xA342

On Sunday morning, 25 out of SAA's 26 widebody aircraft were on the ground in South Africa. That must be some kind of record!!!!

The only aircraft not in the country at that time was B747-444, ZS-SAV, which managed to operate as the airline's only international flight to London the previous evening.

SAA's Technical must have been a sight to see with 22 of these widebodies in the airline's fleet on the ground at Jo'burg International.

The remaining 3 aircraft, an A340-600 and 2x B747-400's were on the ground in Cape Town at that time!

As mentioned in a previous post, SAA have begun to send aircraft abroad (mostly empty as there are not enough cabin crew to make the carriage of pax legal) to collect stranded pax at International destinations. Two notable flights that went out empty (or possibly with some cargo) last evening were the airline's flights to Atlanta and Washington. Both of these operated NON-STOP, instead of via Sal and Accra respectively. This is the first time that SAA flights have operated non-stop from JNB TO the USA!!!

Obviously there are waiting cabin crew at the various stations that positioned there before the strike that will be required to come back with these respective aircraft. Perhaps the agreement is that you can only be on strike if you are back home in South Africa? This however could present a new problem: When normal flight schedules eventually resume, there may possibly be no more cabin crew (within the required rest periods etc) at international destinations to man the return flights at the required scheduled time!!


User currently offlineTheFalcon From Sweden, joined Jun 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Flights to Victoria falls were grounded too, 25 Aug!


TheFalcon
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
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Quoting TheFalcon (Reply 21):
Flights to Victoria falls were grounded too, 25 Aug!

You must mean July 25? Hopefully the strike will be something of the past by August 25!

At least both parties, SAA and the unions, have now agreed to go to the CCMA (Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration) for help, as it is quite obvious that without government intervention, the strike will go on indefinitely.

As far as I can see, four internationals went out today: GRU, LUN and JFK via DKR. Whether there were any pax onboard, is uncertain as CAA regulations require minimum crew for flights

Hopefully all will end soon, in favor of the pax, unions and the airline's sake.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

This is a terrible situation, Stranded passengers everywhere.
CDG got a flight tonight which came empty.
As SAA201 mentionned, there will be a real problem when normal operations start again, as no crews are in Europe now for the return flights.

The situation is very difficult for those passengers, because all the flights with LH,BA,LX,KL,TP,VS,IB,MS,EK,QR,MK,SW are full full full. So, no many chances to reroute them.

Maybe SA lost in 3 days more money, than the costs of an 8% loan increase !!!

Fellows in South Africa, please keep us informed in the forum about the situation.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
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Quoting Myk (Reply 23):
Maybe SA lost in 3 days more money, than the costs of an 8% loan increase !!!

SAA Management can not even quantify the millions of dollars spent, at this stage; on pax put up in hotels, the provision of meals etc. Let alone revenue lost to planes sitting on the ground.

Quoting Myk (Reply 23):
As SAA201 mentionned, there will be a real problem when normal operations start again, as no crews are in Europe now for the return flights.

Maybe they will fly out crews on other carriers? This can always happen to another airline and I'm sure they help out each other all the time.


Rgds

SA7700



When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
25 Myk : ...and a fully loaded SA plane with eventually happy passengers, just left CDG towards JNB. Hope to see SA back soon in Paris !!!!
26 Omoo : wow.....fly empty again with only crew to pick up passengers? this is crazy !
27 IADPax : This explains why a SA 747 is currently parked on the ramp by an FBO at IAD.
28 Eyesinthesky : The SA747 On Ramp at IAD was full of pax. Upon Taxi and before T/O the plane was venting fuel out of the right wing. Fire brigade surrounded the plane
29 SA7700 : Well at least the ZRH and FRA flights have landed, with CDG and ATL expected within the hour. Both the LHR flights are delayed. Rgds SA7700
30 Erela : Parents were bound from Helsinki to Lusaka via ZRH and JNB today, postponed until about a week the agency said. What's the thing about the A343 in ZRH
31 FlySwiss : SAA Zurich does not expect for the next three days an SAA plane at ZRH. For the freight out of Europe to JNB SA organised a freighter from Ostende to
32 SA7700 : Well about 2000 international pax remain lodged in hotels with complimentary meal services. Add to the fact that SAA haven't had significant revenue g
33 Brubiac : Can anybody tell me if there is a SA aircraft standing or expected in LHR today, July 26th ? A friend of me is (normally) heading to Johannesburg this
34 SA7700 : Both SA234 and SA236 were cancelled last night, and to be honest I don't know if there are any SAA metal at LHR. Rgds SA7700
35 BBJII : Having read the above inofrmation, i understand the situation to be this: Non-South Africa based crew have flown from there to JNB and CPT, as schedul
36 SA006 : Would you have any more details on this? -SA006
37 SA7700 : SA does not have foreign based crew. All crew are South African based, either in JNB or CPT. Crews may have layovers in countries other than SA, but
38 Erela : Are there any news from yesterday's meetings in SA? Thanks for any update! Regards, J
39 SA7700 : No settlement has been reached, with SAA Management refusing to budge an inch. Meanwhile the SAA pilots association has a meeting scheduled for Wednes
40 Beno : QF has operated a few extra B744 services from PER to pick up stranded SAA pax. No doubt QF will send SAA a bill.
41 Erela : Sounds tough! In situations like this you should really "budge an inch" to have something back, it's what negotiating is all about. But it takes middl
42 Springbok747 : Damn...my parents are supposed to fly into PER fron JNB on July 29. I hope QF can pick them up also. How long do you guys in SA think this strike will
43 SA7700 : Okay, we have some good news! An agreement in principle has been drafted, by the CCMA, to resolve the dispute. Both parties have now to decide whether
44 Post contains links and images SA7700 : It appears as if the strike is finally over and that the airline will be fully operational by Friday. http://www.mweb.co.za/hubs/news/newsItem.aspx?id
45 Omoo : SAA is not well managed....they lied and Acquired ATC with the agreement that the routes will expand and it will be more profitable. But it id not ha
46 Erela : Many lessons learnt costing a fortune! Let's go for the privatization, I'd even recommend it to Finnair here although local strikes never usually go b
47 Omoo : any news on service restoration ? how are the load factors on SAA like after the strike?
48 SA7700 : Apparently international are running at 100%, while domestic is at 95%. I read somewhere, don't quote me please, that the international load factor is
49 Omoo : OK. Thanks for the info.
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