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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1737 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8082 times:

Rumour has it at Manchester that British Airways may be taking over the MAN to BOS route from AA this winter, as well as continuing with their MAN to JFK service. Anyone heard the same? What equipment would BA use on this route?

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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

I've not heard anything relating to that. As far as I'm aware the AA MAN-BOS service doesn't even off a J cabin so I very much doubt it could fit in to the BA business model.

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Didn't BA used to operate an ETOPS 757 on this route? If so why did they kill it. Did One World have something to do with it?

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
Didn't BA used to operate an ETOPS 757 on this route?

No, but they did use them from BHX to North America.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

I would be really surprised if this was true, BA - called by some London Airways - has shown little interest in opening long haul routes out of airports other than LHR. If BOS-MAN can be a year round success, AA will run it as the 757 seems to be the right sized aircraft for the route.

User currently offlineConair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

It's possible that AA will pull it at the end of the summer season, Like they did last year and use the slots for MAN-MIA for the winter, maybe reinstate it for next Summer?

Conair


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

Seats are on sale on BA and AA websites for the winter, via a direct MAN - BOS service. It also now has a BA codeshare number, which it didnt have last year.....

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2096 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

It's a code share between BA and MAN. If you ever look at arrivals on ceefax, the flight seems to originate in SFO, and the SFO-BOS leg is AA only.

Thought this had been mentioned recently, but BOS ends in early January, and re-starts in April. In the meantime, MIA returns.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7843 times:

It might have been BHX. I know they used to run 757's on one route into BOS. Then again, it might have been Glasgow as well, after NW pulled out of the route.

User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7822 times:

How can operating a MAN - MIA for 3 months make any business sense? Surely the idea is to build a customer base for new services such as MIA?

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7815 times:

Not heard a thing about that at work,, and not had people asking either

Dont think we will see any more LH service from BA at MAN for a while


User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7661 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 9):
How can operating a MAN - MIA for 3 months make any business sense? Surely the idea is to build a customer base for new services such as MIA?

From what I have heard, MIA-MAN, does not do so well outside of that 3 month window, where as BOS-MAN with the 757 has seen some pretty good results, along with that AA has said they are very pleased with the BOS-SNN daily non-stop service with the 757.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

I think one needs to look at the likely market for this kind of flight.

Although my personal preference (I am a citizen of the Commonwealth) would be for BA, I think AA is better suited to this route.

Reasoning: BA tends to need to focus on premium markets, due to its high cost operations. AA however, has a much lower cost base than BA, especially in the labour department.

I would suggest that a lot of the people who would use that flight are going to be ppl like myself.... young, not affluent enough yet to pay for our own business class tickets (thank you very much employer when they are occasionally provided!) and have interests in America. I bet quite a fair few will be students and academics, shuttling back and forward... (and hence they're in the "poor" research budget catagory...or the "what the hell let's just do it" type of low cost ultra budget trip)

The there will be the visiting friends and family, and the "quick shopping trip" across the pond passengers who have discovered what a Cool  cold  city boston really is.  champagne   hyper  I suspect there will be more tickets sold originating in the UK than America.

So. given that what this market really wants its a quick efficient budget trip, AA's business model is probably the best suited. I just hope they've upgraded the seats in there 757s to that of 767 and MD-80s etc.... for long haul flying those crappy old light blue ones just aren't good enough.


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

BA doesn;t seem too keen at improving their premium class on the MAN JFK route! The 767 they use on that route is in a shabby condition in my view. Friends that have used this route hav complained at the shabby state of the interior in both classes. Wonder if BA are ever going to refurb it, or is there something afoot that might se some BA 757s coming to MAN to operate both JFK and maybe oter US destinations...???

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2096 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 12):
So. given that what this market really wants its a quick efficient budget trip, AA's business model is probably the best suited

Absolutely. And, one of the problems with BA and MAN is that its cost base is too great. It's well suited to London, which as a world capital, attracts scores of business and otherwise very wealthy passengers.


Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 9):
How can operating a MAN - MIA for 3 months make any business sense? Surely the idea is to build a customer base for new services such as MIA?

I think a seasonal service IS building a customer base, albeit slowly. Do you remember when EK was a 3 a week service, via erm...somewhere else? Or when BA operated their L10s to JFK approx 4 or 5 times a week? It all happens slowly.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
AA will run it as the 757 seems to be the right sized aircraft for the route.

I just flew on it (landed at MAN 5 hours ago). The B757 seemed almost but not totally full.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
Didn't BA used to operate an ETOPS 757 on this route?

If I am not mistaken, BA used to operate GLA-JFK-BOS with a B757. Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

Tony



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 22 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 13):
Wonder if BA are ever going to refurb it, or is there something afoot that might se some BA 757s coming to MAN to operate both JFK and maybe oter US destinations...???

It will be refurbished soon, with a new Club World cabin and revamped economy.



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 21 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

According to another rumour site, GB are looking to get hold of an A330 to take over MAn JFK from BA.........!!

I this a totally new rumour for Manchester?!


User currently offlineMAAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

AA envisage three daily flights out of MAN in the future so I see no reason why they would give up one to BA, especially not with the recent full loads on the 757. Of course, they might just not be telling me...

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 1):
As far as I'm aware the AA MAN-BOS service doesn't even offer a J cabin

You're quite right. It is a single-class layout with a "Premium Economy" cabin up front. Same service, bigger seats. AA seats its AAdvantage ExecPlat and Plat passengers up there, and sells any spares for GBP100 a throw.

[Edited 2005-07-23 19:18:36]


Last flight: DFW-LGW/AA/763. Next flight: MAN-CDG/AF/A319.
User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 17):
GB are looking to get hold of an A330 to take over MAn JFK from BA

RUMOUR only. GB do Euro flts only, and doubt very much we will see a A330 in BA colours for a long time.

The MAN-JFK is join Citiexpress/BA


User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 17):
According to another rumour site, GB are looking to get hold of an A330 to take over MAn JFK from BA.........!!

I this a totally new rumour for Manchester?!

You're hillarious!

Have your buddies heard the latest rumour about BA putting A380's on the MAN-LON shuttles?



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 15):

If I am not mistaken, BA used to operate GLA-JFK-BOS with a B757. Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

Tony

BA, during the 1990s, had two transatlantic flights with the 757s, GLA-JFK and BHX-JFK. The flights continued to BOS or YYZ (the schedules varied over the period). Both services were dropped after a few years and the BA 757s never again were scheduled accross the Atlantic......BA was one of the first airlines to use the 757 accross the Atlantic in scheduled service. It was during the same period that BA tried MAN-LAX nonstops with 763s.


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Its funny, this thread is about BA taking over the BOS-MAN route, but I think that the more likely scenario is AA taking over the JFK-MAN route from BA and if that route could be flown as a codeshare (I am not sure what the deal is with AA/BA on transatlantic flights, I know that codesharing on transatlantic flights into LHR is not possible, but what about MAN?). I have always thought that BA would only be too happy to be "relieved of its obligation" to fly the JFK-MAN route. BA is all about London these days, and it seems that BA maintains the JFK-MAN route only because (i) there is no legitimate business reason to drop it and (ii) BA would get huge amount of negative publicity from Uk governmental officials and MPs and the general public if it dropped its one remaining longhaul route out of MAN. If BA could hand the JFK-MAN route with a codeshare deal over to AA, it could possibily cease its longhaul ops from MAN gracefully.

[Edited 2005-07-23 19:37:46]

User currently offlineMAAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
I think that the more likely scenario is AA taking over the JFK-MAN route from BA

It would be good from my point of view, but I can't see that one either. AA is already struggling to spare a 763 to restart its MAN-MIA service (one of the reasons MAN-BOS is continuing until January) so I don't think it could spare two to take over MAN-JFK also.



Last flight: DFW-LGW/AA/763. Next flight: MAN-CDG/AF/A319.
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (9 years 20 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Thread starter):
Rumour has it at Manchester that British Airways may be taking over the MAN to BOS route from AA this winter,



Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 17):
According to another rumour site, GB are looking to get hold of an A330 to take over MAn JFK from BA.........!!

What is this 'rumour site' you refer too?

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 9):
How can operating a MAN - MIA for 3 months make any business sense?

The route generates a lot of cruise traffic, which is sustainable for three months of the year, but as said above - it will build a market for the route slowly. As long as they don't do a BMI and lease in an Iran Air 747SP to operate it (or something equally as daft!)

7LBAC111



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User currently onlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 18 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 23):
The route generates a lot of cruise traffic, which is sustainable for three months of the year, but as said above - it will build a market for the route slowly. As long as they don't do a BMI and lease in an Iran Air 747SP to operate it (or something equally as daft!)

If it was operated by an Iran air 747SP I'd fly it...



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25 7LBAC111 : LOL - not one of my better analogies.... 7LBAC111
26 Post contains images GayrugbyMAN : Perhaps BMI are looking to expand their USA network from MAN.....
27 David_itl : the MAN and GLA transtlantic services are codeshared, however for some unknown reason the MAN-MIA service last winter wasn't - I believe that's being
28 GayrugbyMAN : Quoting David_itl However, let's rule out any new long-haul routes from bmi from MAN in the short to medium term. I think that would be a mistake give
29 Jetset7E7 : When was this, as G-BNWH was out of service a few months back, for about 3/4 Weeks, and G-BNWU operated the route, from what I heard G-BNWH was refit
30 A340600 : It wasn't refitted fully, WH is due to be the final 767 to be dusked at the end of this year, Sam
31 GayrugbyMAN : Will BA use a 777 while it is being refurbished? Anyone know the dates of the refurb?
32 Mhodgson : Unlikely, normally BNWO is subbed for NH. They will put a 767 in its place no doubt. All I know is that NH is the last of BAs 10 long haul 767s to be
33 BHMNONREV : I don't think this idea is so far-fetched. With the rumored AA focus on the 757 for trans-atlantic services, combined with a new business class produ
34 7LBAC111 : What have you heard? Where do you hear it? How about some sources? Without sources this is all supposition and crap. 7LBAC111
35 MAH4546 : Which was a big mistake, IMO. They are planning to put the BA code on the flight this year. That right there can be a nice boost to the route.
36 ANstar : given you seem to "know" that BA are thinking of taking over MAN-BOS and NZ are starting MAN-LAX I would have thought you'd know if BA are going to f
37 Post contains images GayrugbyMAN : There's an IAD slot going begging now......
38 Philb : Not necessarily. bmi may fill the slots with regional/baby or mainline traffic.
39 7LBAC111 : Not to mention GB Airways taking over the MAN-JFK route with an A330. Seems to me Mister Rugbybloke is a farce. Not once has he acknowledged peoples
40 Billy : BA did not want to codeshare on the MAN-MIA as they wanted to route connecting traffic over LHR. I do expect a BA code on the new NCL flight though.
41 Trekster : I was thinkin the same thing From all these rumours, we have not seen any proof of what is goin on. We have heard nothing about new BA routes from MA
42 Post contains links Crosswind : I can give you sources for most of what's been posted regarding "MAN developments" recently, Air NZ, BA to BOS, GB A330 - the lot; PPRuNE: Manchester
43 David_itl : Does that imply that there are at least some premium pax that BA are interested in from the MAN catchment area and want the revenue to themselves onl
44 Billy : BA takes a view on codeshares on a route-by-route basis. Policy on MIA was to route the traffic over LHR. This applies more to European connections th
45 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Lets get one thing straight, BA would not operate any routes of their own unless there was sufficient PREMIUM traffic or else BA is not interested. Se
46 BigOrange : Things on PPRuNE are not all fact. The Ru in the acronym stands for rumor. The guy who started the Manchester happenings thread is not a pilot/flight
47 Crosswind : BigOrange, Don't worry. My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I posted that! Just wanted to make sure people knew the source was PPRuNE rather than ac
48 Post contains images MainMAN : It feels like we're being barked at! Most people on here understand perfectly the intricacies of BA/Yield management/LHR and MAN. This is perhaps the
49 LH423 : Actually, frequent business travellers are often quite savvy as to which aircraft they're flying on. Many have a preference and the very frequent tra
50 Post contains images MainMAN : Ok, but still the number of business travellers who'd chose to go to LHR just to travel for 7 hours to JFK on a 744 must be absolutely negligible. I
51 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : MainMAN It feels like we're being barked at! Sorry about that, i left my caps lock on , sorry , i wasn't meaning to be rude ( i'll pay more attention
52 MainMAN : Well yeah, this is the whole thing. They seem to have put the MAN-JFK route into the 'too hard' basket.......some would argue that the fact that it's
53 Col : Having flown on the BA JFK-MAN and it going tech I know what happends. 1) You get re-booked on the LHR flight, nicer interior 744. 2) You arrive at LH
54 MainMAN : Well that's a shame. When they moved into T3, they stated that they would double the number of pax they handled within so many years. That was before
55 GayrugbyMAN : Manchester is certainly being increasingly used by BA as a transfer hub...for example, today's BA1502 from JFK had over 200 pax, and the number transf
56 Carduelis : GAYrugbyMAN Where did you get your figures from? Where did the'70' transfers fly on to?
57 7LBAC111 : Salford and Liverpool ... lol 7LBAC111
58 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Reply 52, posted Fri Jul 29 2005 20:38:16 UTC+2 "To a certain extent, they rely on us lot and the Scots etc to fill their 744s at LHR......and by no m
59 MainMAN : Cool. In that case I wonder what would happen if they re-introduced a LAX service, and then a SFO one? (Dream on) Sometimes when discussing this sort
60 GayrugbyMAN : Spoke to some pax who travelled Club World JFK - MAN at the weekend...said it was abysmal compared with the JFK LHR service. Tatty seats, tvs nt worki
61 BAxMAN : Isn't this just a puerile effort to bump up a ridiculous thread based on unsubstantiated nonsense that you happened to ponder whilst sitting on the t
62 WhiteHatter : Good old G-TECH strikes again.... Salford does have its own airport.... Those rumours about LAX (not on BA though) won't go away...seems a certain ca
63 Col : Wrighbrothers, Thanks for the advise on BA, LHR and a couple of days in London. Unfortunately, I tend to learn by mistakes, and don't like to self inf
64 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Col From United States, joined Nov 2003, 786 posts, RR: 7 Reply 63, posted Mon Aug 1 2005 20:07:53 UTC+2 "Wrighbrothers, Thanks for the advise on BA,
65 MainMAN : Some of my most insightful nonsense is pondered whilst sitting on the toilet, or in the car, or walking the dog. With respect - if you don't like the
66 7LBAC111 : Is that Barton Aerodrome? 7LBAC111
67 Philb : You mean Manchester, Barton
68 MainMAN : Barton's officially within the city of Salford. About 8 or 9 miles to the west of Manchester, towards Liverpool.
69 Philb : I'm well aware of that being a Mancunian and having been connected with the LAC for many years in the 1970s and 1980s. I was just pointing out the off
70 GayrugbyMAN : Manchester T3 is to be extended to accommodate an A380 I have heard......that suggests long haul expanion is to happen at that terminal....but by whom
71 Jamman : I'd heard about a T3 expansion but not that it was A380 connected, that wouldn't make sense looking at the current carriers that use T3.
72 Post contains images Monkeyboi : I went on one of those internal BA 'OOF' courses the other week (Owning Our Future). The issue of direct services to the 'regions' came up in question
73 7LBAC111 : Most likely another unsubstantiated rumour from a.nets least reliable source. 7LBAC111
74 MainMAN : Oh but of course...... Think that suggests nothing. They should develop T3 for the regional stuff and let cavernous T2 and its expanse of land take c
75 MAAN : T2 at MAN is being extended to cope with an A380. That much is fact. I'm surprised that the rugby feller didn't know that as the ramp construction at
76 Post contains images Jamman : A logical Terminal and a logical carrier, but would Singapore commit a A380 to MAN? I would bet against it even though I'm a MAN fan, a normal 777 or
77 Post contains images MAAN : Who knows? (except them obv). I think if they do, they'd replace their twice daily 744/777 services which they have at the moment for a once daily A3
78 Billy : The most likely candidate to operate the A380 into MAN will be EK. They have said that MAN will be one of their first A380 destinations.
79 MainMAN : You just never know. The SQ service has grown over the years and hopefully will continue to do so. If we ever see QF or NZ, SQ might take a bit of a
80 Mhodgson : I think you'll find SQ are still once-a-day at MAN
81 MAAN : I stand corrected. I was sure I saw both aircraft in in one day the other week, but maybe I was a) hallucinating, or b) it was a one-off for whatever
82 Pieinthesky : SQ were considering sending an A380 into MAN for publicity purposes only, although that was before all the delays and the idea seems to have been dro
83 GayrugbyMAN : Any dates yet for when GBNWH will be refitted?[Edited 2005-08-03 13:07:18]
84 Col : I believe that EK were going with the 380 on the Lunchtime. Building the route from 772 to 773/773ER, then to 380. This so they did not need a morning
85 GayrugbyMAN : Unless SQ opt for a SIN MAN USA operation?
86 7LBAC111 : Have they got the rights to operate to the USA from the UK?
87 GayrugbyMAN : They have from Germany....SIN FRA JFK daily.
88 Pieinthesky : It wouldn't be a problem from MAN.
89 MainMAN : I've been trying to find a CAA link, but I can't.... I was reading a recent document (May/June '05) last week on the CAA website about fifth freedom r
90 Post contains links David_itl : Here you go: http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...goryid=589&pagetype=90&pageid=5043
91 MainMAN : Thanks for that. I'd read the main report but not the case studies, so here goes....
92 GayrugbyMAN : I heard that a spokeman from Manchester Airport is to appear on BBC GMR breakfast show today, anyone know if this is about anything interesting?
93 Post contains images Beany : Yes, to tell the public not to believe any rumours read on airliners.net!!
94 GayrugbyMAN : How boring! It was all about the environment!! YAWN!!
95 Candid76 : In my opinion the best option for SQ would be to operate a daily direct 777-300ER service once these aircraft are delivered. This would allow for a mo
96 MainMAN : What I do is tell myself that for a European non-hub 'regional' airport, MAN really has an exceptional long-haul network. Not as good as MUC, but tha
97 TimRees : Would it not be better to start a new thread than keep resurrecting this ancient one? The subject header has had little to do with the content of this
98 MainMAN : Well yeah I suppose. It's turned into a bit of a Manchester talking shop. Problem is that there's been nowt to report of any great excitement, with t
99 TimRees : I suspect you'll get an angry a.netter saying you're 'bumping' up your thread again if you keep going like this....
100 BALHRCSD : The expansion of BA at MAN on longhaul flights is really due to yield. The MAN market is very cost conscious and many of the customers will not pay fo
101 MainMAN : Well it wasn't my thread in the first place, I'm just responding to one of THREE other points made today (5th Aug). Don't blame me, please..... Hello
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