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IND Breaks Ground On New Terminal  
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Today was the official groundbreaking ceremony for the new midfield terminal at IND.

"On a sweltering day and with the roar of jet engines filling the sky, officials marked the start of construction on a new passenger terminal at Indianapolis International Airport this morning, more than three decades after the project was first conceived.

“This is where the future of Indianapolis is,” John Kish, the project’s director, said after a groundbreaking ceremony at the terminal site.

Slated for completion in the fall of 2008, the new terminal will include 40 gates, space equivalent to nearly 22 football fields, a 7,100-space parking garage and the latest ticketing and baggage technology."

Source: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...icle?AID=/20050722/NEWS01/50722014
IndyStar

I was there today and it wasn't that sweltering but it was certainly humid. It got a bit warm in the tent. There were representatives on hand from the Indianapolis Airport Authority, state representatives offices, the director of the terminal project and the deputy mayor of Indianapolis. I didn't think ahead of time to get a little cup to swipe a sample of ceremonial dirt. Oh well. Live and learn. It was cool being so close to the brand new tower. And we were very close to the runway. We saw a Fedex DC-10 come in close by for a landing.

It was definately a great photo op.


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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

About freakin time. That's going to be one hell of a facility.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

I was worried that the area would be too muddy after the huge storms that moved through last night. Fortunately the event was held on the parking lot for trailer city so there was asphalt instead of mud. This was the first time I had gone down I-70 since it had been relocated. I've seen many aerial photographs but those just don't do the work justice. It is very obvious where the taxiway will go over the highway in the future. The road work is impressive and the interchanges are huge compared to the current one by Airport Expressway and I-465. So taking that drive gave me a much better feel for the size. Then being there in the midfield really lets you know how close the terminal is to the runways. But with that much glass going in to the new building I cannot imagine how they are going to keep that place cool in the summer. Instead of global warming we'll have airport warming  Smile


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 2784 times:

It is going to be a VERY NICE airport when finished  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 days ago) and read 2774 times:

Does IND have 40 gates now? Will any of the existing facilities still be used?

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Are all of the gates going to be for turboprops, RJs, and narrowbodies?


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

They have not decided on what to do with the existing terminal...but it won't be used for passenger service. I think FedEx mentioned something way back about possibility utilizing that space; the old terminal is going to be torn down. It will be interesting to see how they reconfigure the area around the old airport entrance  Smile

btw...the current terminal has 33 gates.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Actually its 34 gates. 33 is an error. There are 8 in "A", 6 in "B", 10 in "C" and 10 in "D". The 34th gate was added to "A" a few years back.


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

I think IND should build a 50 gate Terminal. Why only add 6 more gates. If a couple of airlines want to add more flights they will be full within 2 years. That just does not make sense. Why not build extra gates then they are there to use in emergency situations.. and when airlines add IND service to there portfolio.????? Eric


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

I was thinking of the same thing...6 extra gates is not much at all....NW i am sure at some point is going to want to add some more service, AirTran may want to and you never know with the others. How long would it take to build an extension onto the concourse (new one) if it was needed?


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

spend billions of dollars.. and then only build a terminal with 6 extra gates. Someone please tell me what the hell IND is thinking?????????Eric


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

How much would it cost to add, say another 4 gates to make it an even 50?


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

they would need to add another 10 gates to make it an even 50. I think 50 gates at IND is a great start. And lets say Northwest Airlines, or even Air Tran wants to put a focus city/ hub here , with 40 gates these two airlines, just might say forget IND. But with 50 that is 10 extra. they might say okay we will add 25 flights. if you will build more gates more flights would come.. But as of right now as soon as they move into the terminal the damn thing will almost be full again? So what have we gained by the state of the art terminal?????? THATS IT .....................ERIC


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

I don't think NW will have a hub here, too close to DTW, MSP and MEM (i think this was discussed a while back)...AirTran would be a great airline to have a hub/focus city here  Smile


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

The focus city was Northwest... the Air Tran was for the hub hopefully. I flight Northwest Airlines, and we take 4 vacations a year. Those 4 roundtrip tickets i get a year isnt much but when you have a family of 6 that is alot of money NWA gets from my pocket a year. But its worth it to me beacasue i love the NWA service.!!!


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 10):
spend billions of dollars.. and then only build a terminal with 6 extra gates. Someone please tell me what the hell IND is thinking?????????

They're thinking (and wisely so I might add) that it's ludicrous to spend that capital investment now when there's no demand. The new terminal has the ability to be expanded at such time there is demand and economic justification to do so.

No offense to anyone here, but ya'll seem to think it's as easy as waving a magic wand.

IND is a good size market, yes. I used to live there and am VERY familiar with the market, flights, and demand levels. I also know that a lot of NW's added flights are floundering for whatever reason.

I also know that the MSA of greater Indpls isn't growing at nearly the rate of other cities, so there is little on the immediate horizon that would dictate building additional gates.

The purpose of building that new terminal isn't strictly in the number of gates, but to provide more SPACE in the terminal area, ticket counters, bagrooms (a major choke point right now-practically untenable given TSA inline systems), better taxi in/out times thus saving fuel from what is now long taxiing times based on rwy config, etc, etc...

I love Indy, I really do, but it's not this panacea or nexis of the aviation world that some would sell it as. Again, no offense to anyone, just saying it like it is.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 8):
I think IND should build a 50 gate Terminal.

There are sketches that were done no longer available on the website that showed an additional satellite with 20-30 some odd gates connected by a tunnel. It sat right about where the cross taxiway is, on center and in line with the main terminal complex. Those are sketches are gone now, but my hunch is if they need them, they can build them when required.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
I love Indy

Thank you  Smile

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 16):
There are sketches that were done no longer available on the website that showed an additional satellite with 20-30 some odd gates connected by a tunnel. It sat right about where the cross taxiway is, on center and in line with the main terminal complex. Those are sketches are gone now, but my hunch is if they need them, they can build them when required.

I have it if you'd like it.

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 8):
I think IND should build a 50 gate Terminal.

40 is a nice number and unlike the current facility the new one can be easily expanded to 60 gates which is the 2nd phase. From current to new will be 6 gates and this new construction is supposed to serve the airport through 2020. I don't see 6 gates being enough to cover growth for the next 15 years. But expansion can happen prior to 2020 if needed. The only thing to consider is whether it would be cheaper to build to phase 2 right now while they don't have to work around airplanes and cheaper when figuring in inflation. Is it cheaper to build now and leave them empty versus working around aircraft and tearing into the new terminal down the road. It has to be a toss up.



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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Indy may i see the second phase what it would look like?? Thanks Eric


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User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
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Quoting Indy (Reply 17):

I have it if you'd like it.

Ooo...e-mail me at the contact in my profile. I would love to see those.



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User currently offlinePUDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Actually 40 gates used correctly would be about right for at least the next 15 years. If they didnt just assign static gates and made them usable to all the airlines then the gate amount is perfect.

DL's gates as well as ATA and UAL's gates at the current airport are way underutilized from what i have seen. So sharing the gates would provide more than enough room. I am sure the new airport will have Plasma gate monitors or something, its pretty easy with that to change out a logo and flight info and someone else use it.

Also its great NWA has added flights but I am not sure if there is going to be that sustained level there. So adding extra capacity at an airport like IND is not a good idea. Just look at how quickly ATA dropped services.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting PUDFW (Reply 20):
Actually 40 gates used correctly would be about right for at least the next 15 years. If they didnt just assign static gates and made them usable to all the airlines then the gate amount is perfect.

The gates will be assigned. I had asked specifically about the idea you mention and was told that such a system would not work with IND. I asked about that concept for gates as well as ticket counters. They do this at FRA and it works great but it just doesn't fit our needs here in IND.



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