Patroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 15 Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
Hello!
I might be in MEX next week and was thinking to fly on Aero California's (JR) DC-9-10 from MEX to LAX rather than on a boring United A320 or MX/CO whatever 737. Unfortunately I don't find a website for JR, plus their flights are not listed amadeus.net.
Does anyone have an idea where I can find a comprehensive schedule overview and pice indications?
ThaiboynMexico From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3440 times:
Dear Patroni,
Hi,
Aerocalifornia does not sell any ticket via the internet. I believe the only internet bookers they sell too are Expedia and despegar.com. And even that I believe all tickets are papers, not electronic.
If you ask my opinion don't fly Aerocalifornia. The airplanes are really old. I really mean it. It does not have a real great repuation here in Mexico.
If you want cheap tickets, I suggest Aviacsa which flies to LAX. And I believe Azteca Airlines flies into Ontario airport too. I am not sure about this. But I am sure about Aviacsa. Don't sweat for the tickets. You just buy them when you arrive at MEX airport. They have Aviacsa and Azteca sales booths at MEX airport close to check-in counters. You can book and buy them there. The prices are very stable for these two airlines, not like Mexicana and Aeromexico. So even if you buy three days before, the prices should still be reasonable.
But if you want to ask me which one is better for safety? Go with United, Aeromexico, or Mexicana. All three you can purchase on the internet in advance and you'll be able to lock in on a good price.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3403 times:
Hi Tom, if you really want to try JR, you have to contact a travel agent. They will be able to book a ticket for you. As ThaiboynMexico said, there is no website (only a German site called www.aerocalifornia.de) that is not helpful.
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3395 times:
Aerocalifornia, great airline!!!!!!!!!! Book it via a Travel Agency or just call their number and buy it by phone. You can pick your ticket at the airport 2 hours before your flight. And by the way, Aerocalifornia is a very secure airline. At leas Aerocalifornia hasn´t lost as many aircrafts as Aeromexico and Mexicana have. The only casualty in a DC9 had small injuries and instead go to airdisaster.com and check how many does AM and MX have.
SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 750 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3371 times:
Ahem.. Skyone, you seem to have forgotten that DC3 near Los Mochos. Coincidentally, in 1986 I believe, the same year of Aeronaves de Mexico's last accident (and I'm sure you cannot blame the Cerritos crash on them) and Mexicana's Maravatío incident (also their last accident). So statistically.. given the number of passengers flown, AM and MX have been much safer since then.
And Aerovias de Mexico hasn't had one fatal accident in it's 16 year history.
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
Quoting SR117 (Reply 5): Ahem.. Skyone, you seem to have forgotten that DC3 near Los Mochos. Coincidentally, in 1986 I believe, the same year of Aeronaves de Mexico's last accident (and I'm sure you cannot blame the Cerritos crash on them) and Mexicana's Maravatío incident (also their last accident). So statistically.. given the number of passengers flown, AM and MX have been much safer since then.
I guess you don´t know how to read SR117. I said in a DC9, the exact aircraft that PATRONI wants to fly. Please read correctly the next time. Ohh, by the way, remember Reinosa and Monterrey for AM with the exact same pilot. I would be more afraid of AM than for JR. A have nothing againsta AM, MX or any other. What I don´t like is people telling other people not to fly one for safty reasons. JR is a perfectly safe airline and if someone doesn´t think so, then they don´t know anything about the industry. All airlines in Mexico are safe to fly (SCT certifies) and people should be free to pick the one that they like the most.
Chiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
Quoting Skyone (Reply 7): Aerocalifornia hasn�t had a fatal one in a DC9 either. T
You always have to see the relation between the size of the airline and the fatalities.
In comparison with AM and MX JR is a small airline and it is quite logical that small airlines have less accidents than large ones !
Bgoodam From Mexico, joined Apr 2005, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3325 times:
Quoting Skyone (Reply 4): Aerocalifornia, great airline!!!!!!!!!! Book it via a Travel Agency or just call their number and buy it by phone. You can pick your ticket at the airport 2 hours before your flight. And by the way, Aerocalifornia is a very secure airline. At leas Aerocalifornia hasn´t lost as many aircrafts as Aeromexico and Mexicana have. The only casualty in a DC9 had small injuries and instead go to airdisaster.com and check how many does AM and MX have.
Other than flying drugs all over the country therefore subsidizing their ticket prices, yeah I think their a good company.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 9): Other than flying drugs all over the country therefore subsidizing their ticket prices, yeah I think their a good company.
If what you say is indeed true (still haven't heard about a police incident where they discover drugs in one of their airplanes), then I will say they have to compete somehow!!
It is a tough market and so far JR, 6A and ZE haven't got money from us, tax payers, like AM and MX did (remember the Fobaproa). After all, Mexican citizens have been keeping AM and MX alive against their will. This has not been done by flying their airplanes, but by paying their taxes which have been used to pay for the credits AM and MX could not pay. Why do you think IPAB is the major shareholder in CINTRA?
Chiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 9): Other than flying drugs all over the country therefore subsidizing their ticket prices, yeah I think their a good company.
If this was true, why nobody is doing anything against that ? It is easy to just post such a sentence. But is there any proof of that ? Is Mexico such a banana republic that it allows drug dealers to operate an airline for more than 20 years ? Is the DEA blind or deaf that they never found anything on their flights to the US ? Come on !
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 9): Other than flying drugs all over the country therefore subsidizing their ticket prices, yeah I think their a good company.
Well, isn´t it my goodol...friend Bgoodam trying to defend poor old AM by trashing other airlines without any proof. As Chiguire says, first document yourself and give proof of what you are saying and not just talk words in this forum trying to bash the reputation of the airlines that are trying to compete against a monopoly like Cintra (AM and MX).
Skyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8): You always have to see the relation between the size of the airline and the fatalities.
In comparison with AM and MX JR is a small airline and it is quite logical that small airlines have less accidents than large ones !
What you say is true and I can understand that. But, is Aerocalifornia way too small compared to the other ones to say that it is an unsafe airline. In Mexico all airlines are perfectly safe to fly in. I think JR is 1/3 or maybe 1/2 of what the two biggest are. I would consider it a huge difference if you were comparing JR to AA, don´t you think.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5126 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3243 times:
Quoting Skyone (Reply 6): All airlines in Mexico are safe to fly (SCT certifies) and people should be free to pick the one that they like the most.
See it in this way. Almost ALL Mexican carriers fly to the States... MX, AM, 6A, ZE, JR, MY, 5D, Union, Estafeta, QA flew and GMT is certified but not currently flying!! Being certified to fly to the States... that is being certified by SCT and FAA = SAFETY.
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8): In comparison with AM and MX JR is a small airline and it is quite logical that small airlines have less accidents than large ones!
The point here being discussed is not the size of the airlines but the reason of bashing against JR is that they're flying old Dc9ers. And if you compare latest accidents/incidents JR has had in the last years with AM/5D/MX by far JR is much more reliable airline. They certainly DON'T have the best on-time performance but they certainly have high security standars... flying 38 year old planes or the oldest Dc9 in the world daily or having an average age of fleet of 34.8 years and keeping it in the air safely, if that's not security then please tell me what it is called!
Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 9): Other than flying drugs all over the country therefore subsidizing their ticket prices, yeah I think their a good company.
Oooook, prove that please. No proofs no valid rmk's.
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11): If this was true, why nobody is doing anything against that ?
Ain't true so far or else someone show the opposite!!
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11): It is easy to just post such a sentence. But is there any proof of that ?
No proofs so far.
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11): Is Mexico such a banana republic that it allows drug dealers to operate an airline for more than 20 years ?
No.
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11): Is the DEA blind or deaf that they never found anything on their flights to the US? Come on !
Right!! Looks all people is blind and deaf!!!
Ricardo APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 3): Why ? As citizen of the EU you can book
The www.aerocalifornia.de website has been updated!!! It used to be simply a sort of advertising site but now it offers EU citizens the possibility to book online. I guess the travel agents who run this site in Germany have a lot of confidence in JR.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Quoting ThaiboynMexico (Reply 1): And I believe Azteca Airlines flies into Ontario airport too. I am not sure about this.
Azteca flies daily into ONT.
BTW, if you are going to fly JR to LAX from MEX, it will be at the minimum a stopping flight and will more likely require a connection in PVR or somewhere else JR flies to LAX from. Under the US-Mexico bilateral, only 2 airlines from each country are allowed to fly on a specific airport to airport route. The LAX-MEX route is flown by AM and MX on the Mexican end and UA and AS (was DL until very recently) on the US end.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
Chiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15): I guess the travel agents who run this site in Germany have a lot of confidence in JR.
Small correction: It's not a travel agency but the General Sales Agent from Aerocalifornia for Swizzerland, Austria and Germany.
So why are they able to offer online booking for their markets and the airlien itself is the only one in the world (of that size) without even an own homepage ?
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14): Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11):
Is Mexico such a banana republic that it allows drug dealers to operate an airline for more than 20 years ?
Yes... that's exactly the reason why I want to fly them as long as they are still around.
I have now checked the airlines a bit further... Azteca operates a 737NG MEX-ONT, so that one is not too interesting for me. Got enough of them in Europe Same for AM and MX 73G and 320.... Aviacsa seems to offer a 737-200 connection via MTY to LAX, already better. But highest on my agenda are the DC-9-10 and the Boeing 727....
As an alternative to a flight to LAX, I could also make a daytrip on Friday to somewhere in MEX and come back in the evening before flying back home ex MEX on Saturday. Does anyone have some suggestions where I could go to get the DC-9-10 and see something nice from the country?
11 years ago I was in Los Mochis... took the train from Chihuahua to LMM and flew from there via HMO to TUS... AM MD-88 flown by "Commandante Sanchez", who- according to his flying style - must have been an ex Airforce pilot
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3148 times:
Hey Tom, how are you? If you want to do a day trip, you may want to visit Oaxaca. It is my favorite city in Mexico and I am quite sure you will enjoy going there; there are very impressive colonial constructions like the Santo Domingo church, nice museums like the Casa de Rufino Tamayo, the best food in the world (having breakfast in the city's food market is an experience without parallel) and pre-Hispanic ruins nearby. As a matter of fact, if you go to Oaxaca, you will probably want to stay one or two nights. MX, QA (Click Mexicana) and ZE fly there. MX uses A320's and A319's, QA uses F100's and ZE 737's. I do not know if 6A or JR flies to OAX from MEX. Another alternative for your day trip is Magnicharters. They have very comfortable 732's with leather seats and they offer interesting fares.
Patroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
@ EddieDude: Thanks for the mail!
I will first have to see how the business schedule looks like, but if possoble at all I would definitely like to get a flight on a DC-9-10. This is the only DC-9 sub type I have never flown on so far (even got the DC-9-20 at SK 12 years ago...).
Cheers,
Tom
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3081 times:
Quoting Patroni (Reply 20): I will first have to see how the business schedule looks like, but if possoble at all I would definitely like to get a flight on a DC-9-10. This is the only DC-9 sub type I have never flown on so far (even got the DC-9-20 at SK 12 years ago...).
Just remember that JR does not fly the DC9-14 / DC9-15's to the USA, since they are not HK3. All JR flights to LAX operate with the HK3 DC9-32's. If you want to get the DC9-10 series, you better pick a route inside MEX which does not have too much demand. My mother flies JR a lot (twice a month) and so far the only routes where she got the 10's have been MEX-MAM (Matamoros) and MEX-CEN (Ciudad Obregon). All other flights have been on the 32's, since she flies to PVR and that flight continues to LAX. My old JR timetable says most DC9-10's are used on thin routes like CLQ (Colima), SLP (San Luis Potosi), TRC (Torreon), CUU (Chihuahua) among others...
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3050 times:
Hey Darryl. I see you joined a.net quite recently, so welcome to the forum. I am sure you will enjoy a lot reading the threads, looking at the pictures and posting your opinions and ideas. I look forward to reading your posts and discussing them with you. I also noticed you are from Victoria, BC. I was there with my parents many years ago visiting a friend of my Dad's and it was a great trip. Victoria is a truly beautiful city and hopefully I will be able to visit again in the not so distant future.
With respect to your inquiry, you might want to try AM's FareSavers and MX's Mex-e-Savers. If I am not mistaken, MX has a daily GDL-LAS flight so maybe you can find an attractive Mex-e-Saver fare. There is also 6A (Aviacsa) and you might want to consider them.
DFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 3020 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 23): Victoria is a truly beautiful city and hopefully I will be able to visit again in the not so distant future.
Yes, it certainly is a beautiful city. I haven't had the opportunity to see the beauty of Mexico yet which is why I am eager to begin planning. Although in regards to Victoria, I do wish we had better plane spotting here. We don't usually see anything more than float planes, Dash 8's, CRJ's and 737/320's.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 23): With respect to your inquiry, you might want to try AM's FareSavers and MX's Mex-e-Savers. If I am not mistaken, MX has a daily GDL-LAS flight so maybe you can find an attractive Mex-e-Saver fare. There is also 6A (Aviacsa) and you might want to consider them.
Check your instant messages.
Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it. I tried to look on the Aviacsa website but it was all in Spanish so I could not understand it. Perhaps you could assist. With respect to the instant messages, I can see how to send them, how do I read my received messages?
And thanks for the welcome - I do enjoy Airliners.net - it's now part of my daily ritual!
25 AM744: That's right. The Piper pilot and LAX traffic control were the culprits. I'm pretty sure police has found drugs onboard AM planes(don't take me wrong
26 Patroni: I am now a bit confused... looks like I wil be doing a short trip on Thursday.. according to http://www.aerocalifornia.de there are two flights in th
27 Fly727: Here are Aviacsa's GDL-MEX. Only one daily on 727 though. Better hurry, the 727s are on their way to be Coke cans soon (another one retired last week
29 Patroni: Thanks for the great info guys! Pity that the 727 is in the evening as I won't be able to get back to MEX that late.... I checked on despegar.com and
Sponsor Message: 
From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, 
From , joined Dec 1969, posts, 
From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, 
From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, 
From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, 
).
From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
