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Air France To Accept First A380 By October 2007  
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

According to Jean-Cyril Spinetta, CEO of Air France-KLM, Air France expects to take delivery of its first A380 by October 2007. Read more:

http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxn...3&subject=companies&action=article

Asked at today's AGM about the A380 deliveries, Spinetta said: "In principle it
was to be April 1, 2007. That will be delayed by six months compared to the
expected timetable."



Regards
Udo

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User currently offlineKykevin54 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

What routes will AF use their A380s on to start with?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

CDG-LUX shuttle service, mostly...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

I am pretty sure that they will expect their first A380 by 2007 but I am not so sure if they will accept it by then  Wink
I think that they will do but who knows maybe they have to be some little repairs to be done untill AF finally accepts it -maybe Airbus has to wash it first or anything like that  Wink



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User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

CDG-LUX or CDG-LAX?

Kilavoud.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Reply 1):
What routes will AF use their A380s on to start with?

New York-JFK, Montreal, Tokyo and Beijing have been repeatedly mentioned by AF.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSAS330GOT From Sweden, joined May 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

i fit was LUX wonder if it would take longer to take a train. We are counting getting to airport, checking in, boarding, take off and flight, deboard, get luggage (yours is in the middle so number 234), from airport to place.

Train going from home to trainstation, train (3hrs and 54 min according to sncf.com), getting from station to location.

or simply drive paris to luxemburg.

what do you think?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

In my opinion, CDG-MEX is also a viable candidate. With current 11x weekly service (7x 772ER and 4x 747), AF might consider sending here the A380 a few times a week.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 6):
Train going from home to trainstation, train (3hrs and 54 min according to sncf.com), getting from station to location.

And as we are speaking of October 2007, don't forget that, with the new high speed line presently in construction between Paris and the eastern part of France, due to open on June 15th 2007, the travel time between Paris and Luxembourg in TGV will be down from the 3hrs 54 you mention to 2hrs 15 only.  Smile

Experience on other high speed lines has shown that modal repartition between train and plane goes from 60% (train)-40% (plane) for a station to station running time of 3 hours to 90% (train) - 10% (plane) for a station running time of 2 hours.

So the 380 on CDG-LUX is definitely a no.  Wink



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User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

There have also been talks about AF sending the A380 to GIG once a week during high season. GIG is a very lucrative market for AF.


Azzurri Campioni del Mondo!
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7112 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
New York-JFK, Montreal, Tokyo and Beijing have been repeatedly mentioned by AF.

Along with Los Angeles, Miami, and Delhi.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5142 times:

You guys have no sense of humor!

And to prove it, I stand by my "prediction" that the AF A380 will fly 8x daily CDG-LUX. That routes just been dying for 1.5 million pax a year service!

As long as the entire population of the country wants to visit Paris 3 times a year by air, this route should work out just fine...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 days ago) and read 5112 times:
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Quoting Antiuser (Reply 9):
There have also been talks about AF sending the A380 to GIG once a week during high season. GIG is a very lucrative market for AF.

Agree. Loads for GIG-CDG with the new 744 NEV concept is 93% and also, AF is enter an agreement with G3 (Gol) to code-share some brazilian destinations like CNF, BSB, VIX, SSA, POA and REC thru GIG that could become reality in two or three months. It can increase loads even more (note that Biz loads are much closer to 100%) and create three additional frequencies for GIG on the next months after G3 code share. If AF increase the flights to GIG, it can use the A380 on CDG-GIG in the future.
Rio has a "love case" with AF (also AF takes care of Rio and GIG as a primary market even not so biz as others). Rio has received the first new lounge on the world (even CDG received the new lounge after GIG) and also the first 744 NEV in the Americas and one of the first in the world.

Hope to see this bird on GIG one day.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
You guys have no sense of humor!

I knew you were joking. The Paris-Luxembourg shuttle? Whom are you kidding?

Surely you meant LAX and not LUX!

You know, the "a" key is far from the "u" key, no matter what computer keyboard you have!

Sparkingwave



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
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Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 13):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
You guys have no sense of humor!

This is not my words, its from Ikramerica (reply 11), seems to be a mistake on the system.

Rgds,
Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

AF aims to increase its capacity to both GRU and GIG by adding a second DAILY flight (a day flight from CDG).

AF would use the A380 to GIG ONLY if they can't get more traffic rights to add those frequencies.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

In all of Latin America, only MEX and GRU will see A380 service. (just my opinion)

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4472 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 15):
AF aims to increase its capacity to both GRU and GIG by adding a second DAILY flight (a day flight from CDG).

AF would use the A380 to GIG ONLY if they can't get more traffic rights to add those frequencies.

FlySSC, agree. AF operates nowadays 14 frequencies (which will be increased to 17 with the new daily CDG-GRU three times per week). RG+JJ (Brazilian side) operates 21 frequencies. I don't know if AF will be allowed to operate 28 frequencies, but probably they could apply for 21 (so they have 4 available).
And with a load of 93% on GIG (744) and 92% on GRU (772), AF needs to increase the service.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 16):
In all of Latin America, only MEX and GRU will see A380 service. (just my opinion)

Juventus, i respect your opinion, but i think that GIG is also a strong market for AF and as nowadays they are using the big plane available on this route (while GRU uses a 772 and could be improved tin favor of 773). Also GIG does not hold so many non stop int'l service which means that AF do not face competitors (on GRU JJ offer 2 daily GRU-CDG and RG one more). Also the partnership between Gol (G3) and AF will allow connections from GIG to some cities (now AF service to GIG is only to Rio). It's also my opinion.

Rgds
Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Juventus,

GRU needs definitely a second AF DAILY flight from/to CDG, more than the use of bigger plane.
The A380 would suit more GIG than GRU.


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

AF will be using the Engine Alliance option, right? Is the first A380 with these engines in the pipeline yet? Anybody have an informed idea when the first flight might be?

Cheers, Ralph



Fly Douglas Jets DC-8 / DC-9 / DC-10 / MD80 / MD11 / MD90 / 717
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 19):
AF will be using the Engine Alliance option, right? Is the first A380 with these engines in the pipeline yet?

Yes, they will use the GP powerplants, as well as Emirates and FedEx. No idea about first flight.


Regards
Udo


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