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Air Sahara 777?  
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Hi !

It has been reported that Air Sahara (S2) has signed a deal to lease 777s:

"Sahara gets slot at Heathrow
TIMES NEWS NETWORK, SUNDAY, JUNE 26, 2005

NEW DELHI: Air Sahara claimed a major victory in its quest for expanding overseas operations by bagging a daily landing slot at London Heathrow airport. This will help it mount a daily flight between Delhi and London from the winter of 2005.

Sources said that Airports Co-ordination Ltd - the company in-charge of managing airport slots in several European airports - awarded Sahara a daily slot at Heathrow. Air Sahara spokesperson confirmed the development saying: "Air Sahara was awarded the Heathrow slots last weekend in Berlin."

Sahara is preparing to start direct flights from Delhi to London this winter, and has signed a deal to lease three Boeing 777-200ER (extended range) planes."

It was mentioned in Aviation Week that they signed an agreement with ILFC to get two 777s and the were rumored to be PP-VRA and PP-VRB. But ILFC has not posted ANYTHING regarding any lease on their website and it seems that VARIG will keep the 777s for now since the aircraft are protected to be with VARIG according to Brazilian bankruptcy law.

So, what's going on ? Will Air Sahara get the 777s from someone else ? Will ILFC get planes from somewhere else to lease to Air Sahara ? More info anyone ?

The777Man


Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

The last rumours were A330s.But out here things change fast.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1937 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
The last rumours were A330s.But out here things change fast

I've no doubt that you're a lot closer to the rumours than I  Wink

The last I heard on Air Sahara was that they were looking for a total of 40 frames though this covered the entire spectrum from Turboprops through to Long Haul requirements. I got the feeling that the 777 was a strong consideration though I've no doubt that Airbus would be pitching hard too, the more so given they mentioned the need for more 737s in that report.

As HAWK21M stated, in India, things change fast so we'll just have to await a decision. Will post you an email if I hear anything further T7Man

Regards

PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 1921 times:

they say routes to London, but I give it a few months before you see YYZ on the table as well.... why not follow the trend eh ??

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):
It was mentioned in Aviation Week that they signed an agreement with ILFC to get two 777s and the were rumored to be PP-VRA and PP-VRB. But ILFC has not posted ANYTHING regarding any lease on their website and it seems that VARIG will keep the 777s for now since the aircraft are protected to be with VARIG according to Brazilian bankruptcy law.

So, what's going on ? Will Air Sahara get the 777s from someone else ? Will ILFC get planes from somewhere else to lease to Air Sahara ?

If I was the boss of a leasing company, I would NOT lease to S2 - this might be a case where T7s leave one bankrupt company (RG) and are operated by a future bankrupt company (S2).. payment not secure... and.. better lease to a government organization as AI, as payment is guaranteed through government security, or better lease to a well-established airline as 9W, rather than to S2, who will struggle a lot the next years


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

how insecure are S2 ?? .. surely they arent that bad ?? though I have to say they are going to be facing a huge competition on there international routes to the UK...
up against: BMI/BA/VS/AI/JET ... and thats just non-stop


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
up against: BMI/BA/VS/AI/JET ... and thats just non-stop

That's only one part.. the domestic Indian market - where S2 earns most of their revenue currently - is basically having a "new airline a day" - I would rather be concerned here that S2 cannot keep the pace

They are a very good airline but have a tough stand.. without the parivar Subsidies, no way!  Wink


User currently offlineTheFalcon From Sweden, joined Jun 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

I read in Hindusatn Times on 16June 2005 that Air Sahara announced its plans to fly daily services between Delhi and London from September-October this year and operate two Boeing-777s on this route.

Can anybody confirm this?



TheFalcon
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Quoting TheFalcon (Reply 7):
Can anybody confirm this?

although i post a lot of newspaper reports, I've come down to believing only when it happens.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

I do have to say that I think Kingfisher looks like it has just as big a plan as Air Sahara !! I looked on its website and the aircraft its taking delivery of is amazing !! for a start up that is... very Etihad like eh ?? not to mention Kingfisher is planning the A380 !!! thats gotta be the smallest airline to look at that big momma of a plane !!!
anyway back to the topic.. sahara does and will have a butt load of competition soon and boy it better have a good strategy !!!


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Amidst all this, everybody forgot that IC too have rights to fly international. Poor folks are not even being allowed to get planes for their domestic routes. They better sell off their international rights to Kingfisher. VM are you listening!!
cheers!
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 10):
Poor folks are not even being allowed to get planes for their domestic routes.

so why are they not being allowed to get new planes ?? seriously the Indian Market both Int. and Dom. is saturated !!!
my head spins trying to name all the new airlines popping up like daisys everywhere !!!... hey that could be a new game... try and name all the new airlines in India..  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Many thanks for the replies but not much clearer regarding 777s at Air Sahara....

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 11):
so why are they not being allowed to get new planes ??

coz! it is owned by govt and its order for planes has to pass through 48769 number of screening committees.  banghead 
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
it is owned by govt and its order for planes has to pass through 48769 number of screening committees

hmm poor IC.. if all the others do well you can see IC being left behind..


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 4):
rather than to S2, who will struggle a lot the next years

Currently S2 looks like they are fighting back hard vis-a-vis salaries & a lot of Pilots & AME are moving in.

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 9):
I do have to say that I think Kingfisher looks like it has just as big a plan as Air Sahara

I think its too early to judge Kingfisher Give them another few months.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
I think its too early to judge Kingfisher Give them another few months.

havent they definatley committed to some big widebody orders tho ? I mean I read someplace about there A380 plans and their website talk about other large Airbus orders...Id say they were big plans... tho.. I gotta say just as a side thought they do have a nice color-scheme...


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 16):
havent they definatley committed to some big widebody orders tho

They have.But currently with just Two A320s,its too early.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

It is quite early, but in the thread regarding Kingfisher and their american company plans Id say they have some big vision..

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 18):
is quite early, but in the thread regarding Kingfisher and their american company plans Id say they have some big vision

Agreed,But.
All Visions never turn to reality.In 1993 East West,Damania & Skyline had Visions too.
Factors like Civil Aviation policy,GOI attitute & Good Mgmt will determine the future.
 Smile
regds
MEL



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