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User currently offlineWestern737 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 489 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

I need help with finding a link to the discussion about FedEx DC-10's cargo conversion that FedEx decided to stop doing that. I need to find the reason they stop - due to economy or what? I tried this 'Search the Forum' but it wont get me to anywhere close to that.

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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5767 times:
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"The Boeing MD-10 conversion for Federal Express involves fitting DC-10s (both current freighters and "new" ex airliner freighter conversions) with a two crew Honeywell VIA 2000 EFIS flightdeck with six LCD screens. The instrument panel layout is identical to that in the MD-11, and pilots can be qualified to fly the two interchangeably. First flight was on April 4 1999, while the first of 89 MD-10 conversions for FedEx was delivered on May 9 2000 (the same day the conversion was certificated). Boeing is offering the MD-10 conversion to other DC-10 operators"

The above is from the Anet DC-10 database. Have all 89 been converted and MD-11s taken their place?



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User currently offlineWestern737 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

I dont think all DC-10 has been converted. I remembered there was an article that FedEx announced they are going to abandon the remain fleet yet to be convert to cargo. I need that information to support that.

User currently offlineDouglasDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Around 40 aircraft have received the MD-10 modifications until now, including some younger ex Hawaiian/AA aircraft which were in pax configuration until 2004 and then converted to freighters.

The article you mentioned is most probably from late 2001 when FedEx announced that 29 DC-10-10s were not going to be converted to freighters anymore and will be used as spare source. These were mostly older AA aircraft with underfloor galley. Their freighter conversion was more expensive than the conversion of similar aircraft. That's why most of UA's former DC-10s are still alive with FedEx while many older AA aircraft were scrapped, sadly including ship No 1.


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Right now Fedex has 87 DC & MD 10's there was 88 but we lost one in MEM 12-2003. All will be converted to MD10's. They should all be MD's by 2010 ??? Something like that. The MD10 is working out very well, shutting up the nay sayers once and for all... The newest thing going on with them airplanes now is the tire and brake upgrades. Fedex is standardizing the tires & brakes of the MD-DC 10's to the carbon MD11 type. 15% greater stopping power and a lot lighter too .... The mighty 10's WILL fly forever.


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Now if only FX would fly a -10 to ROC  Smile . I love the A300/310's ,but a -10 would be sweet!


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User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

Where are the conversions taking place? They started in GYR (Goodyear, AZ), but I understand they went overseas. Thanks in advance.

Rgds


User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

The MD10 mod is being done at Aeronavali in Italy. When they come back from there they are beautiful. The Italians do awesome work. A lot of the x AA -10s where stored at GYR. But no conversions where done there.


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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Has FX converted all their ex-AA DC10s?

Regards.


User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5093 times:
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Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 7):
The MD10 mod is being done at Aeronavali in Italy. When they come back from there they are beautiful. The Italians do awesome work. A lot of the x AA -10s where stored at GYR. But no conversions where done there.

The DC-10s were at Goodyear because Sabretech was supposed to convert them to MD10s. They hosed the contract so badly that Fedex took it away from them. Sabretech later went bust and the Goodyear operation was taken over by AMS. They too went bust and now someone else is running the show.


User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Fedex signed a contract with Mcdonnell Douglas for the MD10 project, After Boeing bought MD Boeing sub contracted the deal to Aeronavali. Their was many parts to the Fedex DC 10 program, First they all went trough the P to F mod. ( except the DC10's Fedex already had ) That adds the cargo door and the gross weight increase mod etc. That was going on long before the MD10 mod started. Right now there is around 40 MD10's done. All the DC10's finished P to F some years ago. The x AA DC10's with the CF6-6k engs where all scrapped for parts. The x AA DC10's that are flying now have tail numbers that start at 550 and go up from there,


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2980 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Does anyone have a count of how many DC-10s that FedEx has scrapped to support the conversion program? Dim cells remember 25-35 being planned for the chopper, but if anyone knows the real number...


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User currently offlineOURBOEING From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

If they moved the operation from GYR, what happened to all the AA/UAL DC10s that were lined up at Goodyear AZ? I used to drive by there when I lived in AZ and most of the DC10s were sort off stripped up for the conversion. Is AMS going to atleast finish converting up those aircraft? I'm just curious.

OURBOEING


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

All them DC10's at GYR are long gone. Fedex has the Varig & Delta MD11's stored there now. I heard 29 AA DC10's got the axe and a few United's got axed for different reasons.


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User currently offlineOURBOEING From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting Dc10guy (Reply 13):
All them DC10's at GYR are long gone. Fedex has the Varig & Delta MD11's stored there now. I heard 29 AA DC10's got the axe and a few United's got axed for different reasons.

I see. They held on to them for quite some time and finally axed them Smile
How weird Smile

O well. I think MD 11 is much easier to convert to a two pilot cockpit than a DC10.

Thanks for the update.

OURBOEING


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 14):
I think MD 11 is much easier to convert to a two pilot cockpit than a DC10.

What? The Md11 is a 2 man cockpit and has been so since.... ever!


User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 5):
Now if only FX would fly a -10 to ROC . I love the A300/310's ,but a -10 would be sweet!

Indeed, it would be nice.

 airplane peanut



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User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Fedex traded 727 hush kits for all of AA's & UA's DC10's ... One of the reasons they sat around in storage for so long is because there was problems finding places to do the P to F mods. and they could only do so many at a time. It is true that the MD11 is the easiest plane to turn into a 2 man cockpit ...


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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4661 times:
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Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 17):
Fedex traded 727 hush kits for all of AA's & UA's DC10's ..

Are you sure? I thought all of the AA 727s got Raisbeck hush kits.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 17):
One of the reasons they sat around in storage for so long is because there was problems finding places to do the P to F mods. and they could only do so many at a time

Another reason was that the DC-10s at Goodyear were in awful condition. Most were stripped of engines and a lot of other necessities.


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User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Americans 727's had Fedex hush kits, Them AA 10's where the ones that had the CF6-6k engines. I heard that there where 29 of them. They where all scrapped ... That included the 1st DC10 built.


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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
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Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 19):
Americans 727's had Fedex hush kits,

I disagree - to quote http://204.200.199.187/inside/jdr_bio.php:

"American Airlines took delivery of 52 Raisbeck 727 Stage 3 Systems."


User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Well, I don't know if they bought any other hush kits, But the Fedex hush kit is the one they used on all the AA 727's I've seen, I wish I knew how to post a pic. Photo @ www.airliners.net/open.file/853381/m/ is a nice shot of the Fedex hush kit on an AA bird ... I haven't seen any pics of the other kit on a AA plane.


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User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

I was there in GYR, when they launched this program. Fred Smith did his speaking. At that time they were going to put the UA 10's through the process because they just came off revenue service, but the AA 10's had already been sitting for sometime. Not surprised that they decided to scrap the AA metal.

Rgds


User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4464 times:
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DC10GUY:

You're right - that AA 727 N892AA does have a Fedex hushkit. I wonder if they did their LGW and IGW aircraft with the Raisbeck kits and their HGW aircraft with the Fedex kit. The one you show, N892AA, is a fairly late production aircraft (1980), so this would make sense.


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