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UA And The Leased 763s - What Happened?  
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

A few weeks ago, there was a long discussion about a ruling by the bankruptcy court judge which allowed lessors to take back certain 763ERs that were leased to and operated by UA.

It was a complicated situation, involving 6 or 8 aircraft - it seemed as if UA had decided to return 4 aircraft and was going to attempt to reneogitate the leases or even try to purchase the remaining aircraft.

Does anyone know how this situation was resolved in the end? Did UA in fact return some 763ERs and what is the status of the other 763ERs that were were involved in this situation?

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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

AFAIK, it was 8 767-322ERs involved in this snafu. Toward the end, UA surrendered 4 aircraft back to the lessors, and made an offer to purchase outright the other 4 aircraft. All this at least to my knowledge. Regards.


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User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

A while back, I started a thread about this. The Financial Times reported that UA would buy 4 aircraft, and return 4 other 767s. However, a UA employee on the thread had information saying that 5 767s were returned, and 4 purchased. The thread ended with confusing information, as no one was sure whether 4 of 5 767s were returned back to the lessors. Here's a link to that thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2157055

On a related note, I remember reading somewhere that UA's creditors are taking aircraft lessors to the Supreme Court to appeal a decision a lower appellate court made in regard to the lessors monopolizing lease rates for UA (or something like that, basically creditors don't want lessors to 'gang up' against UA and charge high lease rates). Any one have any info on that?



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25199 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2560 times:

At the end of the day, UA shed 6 B767-300ER.

N645UA
N648UA
N650UA
N654UA
N655UA
N656UA

645 was returned prior, however the other 5 were all returned to lessors during late May and June as part of the previosly mentioned court wrangle.

UA's B767-300 fleet currently stands at 31. (17 three-class and 14 two-class)



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
645 was returned prior, however the other 5 were all returned to lessors during late May and June as part of the previosly mentioned court wrangle.

What impact has this had on their network, schedule and operations? Did UA have to trim flights because of this, or did their schedule planning already accomodate this eventuality?

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
UA's B767-300 fleet currently stands at 31. (17 three-class and 14 two-class)

Do both 3-class and 2-class 763s operate international routes or are the 2-class planes just for Hawaii and domestic? If both configurations fly international, which markets generally see which planes?

Thanks in advance.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25199 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

The only real impact of the loss of the 763s was the immediate termination of the ORD-EZE route. In addition some domestic legs which were to have been operated with the 3 class aircraft as tag on flights from international trips were subed with other equipment.

The 2 class 763s are strictly for domestic and Hawaii use.



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