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Jet Blue 86 Diversion To MSP!  
User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Does anyone know why Jetblue 86 from SEA-JFK diverted to MSP this morning? I am thinking it might have been due to fuel due to re-routes from the t-storms. It was parked at the HHH terminal for a few hours this morning before continuing on to JFK,
Thanks


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting Cbphoto (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why Jetblue 86 from SEA-JFK diverted to MSP this morning? I am thinking it might have been due to fuel due to re-routes from the t-storms.

MSP was roughly the halfway point, and it would have had plenty of fuel so as to have been able to get to JFK.

Mostly likely mechanically-related or passenger-related.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

If only they'd fly to MSP more often, in the non-diversion sort of way....  Wink

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

Why does jetBlue even consider their routes non-stop?


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
Why does jetBlue even consider their routes non-stop?

Oh good grief...  Yeah sure

They have some 316 flights a day, and a handful divert/fuelstop and that somehow indicates a trend regarding the other 311 that -didn't- divert/fuelstop?

Cut them some slack...  Wink


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

OPNLguy....yeah, a handful more the others. They have clearly made a trend out of making fuel stops. I give them no slack at all. They have to do away with the policy of no passenger left behind. Now its really sorry they had to divert on a east bound flight. These guys doing S-turn around every storm out there?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Wow..This post quickly became a JetBlue Bashing thread! Anyway based on new information here at the tower it seems like the flight diverted due to a medical emergency. It was meet at the HHH terminal by an ambulance and the flight continued on afterwards to JFK.
Thanks for all the "related" posts
CC



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
They have clearly made a trend out of making fuel stops. I give them no slack at all. They have to do away with the policy of no passenger left behind. Now its really sorry they had to divert on a east bound flight. These guys doing S-turn around every storm out there?

Remember this thread when Alaska has some fuelstops or diversions and other folks start threads on how "every" Alaska route isn't considered a non-stop, etc. etc.

Your perspective on "slack" at that time might be a little different...  Wink


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
They have to do away with the policy of no passenger left behind. Now its really sorry they had to divert on a east bound flight. These guys doing S-turn around every storm out there?

So, I assume you would recommend just driving right through the storms? Obviously, you know so much about aviation.

Me personally, I'll drill holes in the sky rather than go through a thunderstorm. I don't care if I have to divert for fuel or not. Quite frankly, I really don't care what the passengers think either. My responsibility is to give them the safest passage I can. If that means adding 300 miles onto the route then so be it.

You really need to have a reality check!!!


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Phil...was a sarcastic remark buddy! Chill-out...have a Guinness. I am well aware they go around the Storm, I kinda work in a flight ops department and understand what's going on out there. The S-turn thing was a little joke, we can laugh a little on these forums!

OPNL....yes we had a few a way back when MCO and MIA started with a 900. They are all but gone cause we actually will restrict flight loads. And we have planes called the 737-800/700 that seem to be doing just fine. When you can come up with a list of our diversions that compares with B6, feel free to drop me a line. But I can assure you we are not in the ballpark percentage wise. Im not sitting here and arguing with you and I'm not a B6 basher. But I have sat here at work and watched BOS-OAK flights stop at SLC 4 times in a week ( this is a few months back and an example).....Just an observation!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
Why does jetBlue even consider their routes non-stop?

since apparently you know exactly what happened on this flight and why it stopped... would you care to enlighten us as to why it's jetBlue's fault?

If ya can't.... put away the jump to conclusions matt...... spin 



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Cactus739, to answer a little for Alitalia774 a little. Multiple times during the late winter the BOS-OAK flight stopped in SLC. (Fuel) Within the last month or so the BUR-JFK flight made a BUF stop. (Fuel, though compounded by BUR T/O performance issues).

ASSFO



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
When you can come up with a list of our diversions that compares with B6, feel free to drop me a line.

My point (which you seem to have missed) is that a few flights do not a "trend" make. If they have to fuelstop some BUR-JFK flights that doesn't translate into having to drop a SEA-JFK flight into MSP with a passenger medical emergency (or any other diversion) as being yet another "example" of the trend you seem to think it is.


User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

It's an Airbus - that thing is like flying a video game, the flight crew probably ran out of quarters!  Smile



User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5736 times:

This is the first time I ever heard of a jetBlue Airbus being at MSP. It's not like they stop to fuel here all the time. And if it were just for fuel, why would it be at the HHH for a few hours!?

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Quoting Continental (Reply 14):
And if it were just for fuel, why would it be at the HHH for a few hours!?

If their takeoff weight for the originally scheduled SEA-JFK was landing weight limited (versus takeoff limited), and they were full, they'd probably have been over max structural landing weight at MSP. That would have required an overweight landing inspection, accomplished by contract maintenance (which takes a little longer than having your own folks do it). Since they don't normally serve MSP, they may have also had to take the time to -find- some contract maintenance.

There also could have been crew time issues, and having to deadhead a fresh crew in from somewhere.

[Edited 2005-07-25 19:56:21]

User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 6):
Wow..This post quickly became a JetBlue Bashing thread! Anyway based on new information here at the tower it seems like the flight diverted due to a medical emergency.

look how quick everyone assumes its a fuel stop.


User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5482 times:

I was wondering why I saw a B6 plane in MSP this morning on my way over to my Cactus flight.

User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4691 times:

The way people sound on this thread they probably wished that B6 Flight 86 just ran dry at 35,000 ft. It is unfortunate that even with the reserve tanks on their new A320s they still have range issues, but that IFE equipment is heavy and if they leave with full flights that poses a problem. I am disappointed that jetBlue would have this issue become a problem for passengers, but I guess these are very low revenue flights for them to cram people + bags in those planes only to run out of fuel 3/4 of the way because of headwinds or weather systems.


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User currently offlineEc From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Ok people...for once and all. This diversion was for a passenger that had a MEDICAL EMERGENCY. Yes, sometimes flights divert. Sometimes they are Jetblue flights. Weather happens, headwinds happen, medical happens, broken planes happen....etc. If the Jetblue flights that occasionaly divert for fuel is causing these segments to be unprofitable they will be fixed. Otherwise they will live with it.

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4461 times:
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I wish they had a couple daily stops at MSP. Look forward to flying them in the not too distant future!


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User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

In other MSP diversion news, Delta's 763 from Atlanta-Anchorage stopped in Minneapolis Monday night.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 15):
Since they don't normally serve MSP, they may have also had to take the time to -find- some contract maintenance.

Wouldn't be too hard, NW probably took care of it, seeing how they are likely the only ones that can work on a bus quickly.



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User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

Wow...Overall a busy day in MSP. JetBlue Diverted, there was an ATA 757 here pretty much at the same time that JetBlue was here, Most likely a military charter of some sort. Delta diverted a 767 here, and due to weather there were numerous delays, the longest I saw was an ATA 738 en-route MSP-MDW was at the 12R de-ice pad for no less then 4 hours. Scheduled departure 7AM, it didn't leave the ground until 11:15 or so. Poor passengers and it's only a hour flight at the most! Hopefully today will be a bit quieter.
CC



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 18):
The way people sound on this thread they probably wished that B6 Flight 86 just ran dry at 35,000 ft.

That is a ridiculous statement. We aren't hoping for a disaster, just questioning the wisdom of JetBlue's decision to fly routes that its equipment isn't capable of flying without incident on consistent basis. And if this is such a normal occurrence - as some people on this board claim - I'd like to see evidence of other airlines operating aircraft on flight legs that are incapable of completing the entire flight without a fuel stop enroute.


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