Fanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1625 posts, RR: 5 Posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
I would guess this is a big no-no. My flight yesterday, the seatbelt sign was not turned on until after passing through 10,000 feet. The pilot flashed the no smoking sign twice to let us know we were past 10,000 feet, then the seatbelt sign came on a little while later. Could an airline be fined for this? What if any consequences are there? I would think this is an item on the pre-pushback checklist. Makes me worried if a pilot is not following a checklist. I wouldn't want them to skip another, more important item on the checklist.
Jumppilot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
I forgot to turn my landing lights on the other day. But at least we remembered the gear. I'm still new at flying pax in a/c with seat belt signs and I don't want to forget that, so I just leave it on. So they forgot the seatbelt sign, so what. You still arrived safely, and the flight atttendents did a walk through.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4020 times:
This happens from time to time. I've witnessed it on several major airlines as well as a few regional jets. Most airlines signal the 10,000 feet (sterile cockpit etc.) to the FA's by using two bells. This is accomplished on most aircraft by switching the no-smoking sign off then back to on. At that time, most pilots then realize that they didn't even turn on the seatbelt sign prior to pushback and try to mask the chime by simultaneously switching the seatbelt sign to "on" when the no smoking sign is brought back to on during the 10,000 foot signal. I have to admit I've done this once when I was a CA on the Brasilia years ago. We did accomplish the required checklists however I answered "on" to the FO's challenge of "Seatbelt sign" during the before start checklist without looking at the switch position. I called back to the FA and she didn't even notice and said none of the pax did either.
Fanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1625 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3859 times:
Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 7): I answered "on" to the FO's challenge of "Seatbelt sign" during the before start checklist without looking at the switch position.
So, how many checklisted items are given an affirmative response without checking if is actually ready for flight? This statement is somewhat frightening.
Based on the safety of our air carriers, I'm guessing this doesn't happen very often at all, and that all items are actually checked during the various checklists. I know it's somewhat sensationalistic, but can you imagine if someone had been up and around shortly after take-off with some good chop going on and they end up pinned against the ceiling, all the while the seatbelt sign was never on? I'm guessing someone would at least get a stern talking to