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NZ Given Unlimited Flights To The UK  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7042 times:
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New Zealand based airlines now have rights for unlimted flights to and from the UK. The agreement was signed by the British High Commissioner, Richard Fell and the New Zealand Government in Wellington today.

http://xtramsn.co.nz/business/0,,5007-4603525,00.html

What happened to the original plan of allowing NZ one extra LHR slot each day?

I've done a search and couldn't find any new topic dedicated to this new agreement

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User currently offlineStuarts8 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2000, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7030 times:
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I think from reading the Government Press release on the NZ Government website that it is the intention to have an additional flight into LHR daily through It looks probable Hong Kong.
It will be interesting to see what happens here.
In the immediate future Though I do not think Manchester is a goer.
Stuarts8


User currently offlineNirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

What's the situation with NZ getting another slot at LHR? Or are they planning to fly to another airport?

Cheers
NV


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7007 times:
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NZs extra flight will go to LHR via an Asian airport

User currently offlineB744Heavy From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
What happened to the original plan of allowing NZ one extra LHR slot each day?

I also thought this was the case. Good news if it is allowing unlimited flights.

I also heard on the news today that part of the agreement, the UK still have the rights to limit the seat numbers from the US to the UK. No mention of seat limits on the Asia-UK route.

NZ now has the rights for unlimited services to the UK, however getting the slots for LHR, and the cost of these slots will be interesting.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6943 times:
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Well we know that NZ will only do one LAX-LHR daily flight and other flight will be via Asia. Could the UK impose restrictions that only the B772ER could do

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Could NZ fly via BKK?

Could a 772ER fly AKL-BKK-LHR?

When BR begin direct flights to LHR from TPE will they still fly TPE-BKK-LHR?

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
Could NZ fly via BKK?

Yes, it well could but Air NZ would probably want to use the codeshare with TG than create a new flight (TG - AKL-BKK direct from 31/7, A346). The flight that most people are predicting is the AKL-HKG-LHR route where there are no S.A. airlines currently fly. Hopefully this will spread to another place such as Shanghai or Beijing.



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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

I'm quite sure that whereever this new flight stops it will be operated by a 744.

I'd still say via HKG or maybe PVG myself.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

I believe that a stopover in Singapore is likely. AKL-SIN is a bit shorter than AKL-HKG, and NZ could also route some Christchurch originating passengers to that service via CHC-SIN-LHR.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

No doubt IMO at this stage that a 744 will be operating the route. Especially with SFO going 777 later this year, some 744s will be free. Still Backing HKG as no Star All. goes through there at the moment, and with the new refits, who knows what might happen.

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

It has to be a route that can justify year round pax loads, and good yields on cargo. Not even us staff (outside of fleets & routing/engineering) know where as of yet - we are all guessing, but there are a few frontrunners so far.

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

In the other thread about services from AKL to MAN, do you Kiwi's know any more than us over here about the likelihood of this service?

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quote:
I believe that a stopover in Singapore is likely. AKL-SIN is a bit shorter than AKL-HKG.

I am not sure that SQ will allow NZ to take some of their traffic from AKL to SIN. HKG sounds to me like the most likely route.



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User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

HKG would be the obvious choice but stranger things have happened...

User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

I can't understand all the excitement about this. There are already flights from AKL to LHR, it's nothing new. And if there are additional flights stopping at HKG that opens up the possibility of flying from HKG to LHR, already very well served indeed. I suppose that's why most neutrals (choosing my words carefully) would be much more interested in flights to MAN, even if these were just extensions from LHR say three days per week, like QANTAS used to do (yes I know you can stick the pax on a connecting shuttle - pax will then fly with Emirates instead, I know I would!).

Candid76


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 15):
I can't understand all the excitement about this. There are already flights from AKL to LHR, it's nothing new. And if there are additional flights stopping at HKG that opens up the possibility of flying from HKG to LHR, already very well served indeed.

Well it would be nice to have another carrier who you can fly completely round the world with  Smile
LHR-LAX-AKL-HKG-LHR. Sounds like a nice itinery to me.

Also don't forget that an NZ HKG-LHR route would give us some (albeit small) Star presence on the route. Would certainly make me happier as a FF on Star.



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5218 times:
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Quoting Cornish (Reply 16):
Quoting Candid76 (Reply 15):
I can't understand all the excitement about this. There are already flights from AKL to LHR, it's nothing new. And if there are additional flights stopping at HKG that opens up the possibility of flying from HKG to LHR, already very well served indeed.

Well it would be nice to have another carrier who you can fly completely round the world with
LHR-LAX-AKL-HKG-LHR. Sounds like a nice itinery to me.

Also don't forget that an NZ HKG-LHR route would give us some (albeit small) Star presence on the route. Would certainly make me happier as a FF on Star.

We're amazingly loyal to the alliances. The miles add up though!



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineMAS747 From Malaysia, joined Mar 2004, 88 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Wouldnt It Be Nice for a CHC-KUL-LHR/CHC-KUL-MAN/AKL-KUL-LHR/AKL-KUL-MAN routing?

whats the status on AirNZ's freedom rights in malaysia?


User currently offlineChangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4837 times:
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I agree with MAS747...AirNZ should go via KUL!!!

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4807 times:
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In the other thread about services from AKL to MAN AKL-MAN is a 100% no

I can't understand all the excitement about this. Well considering the UK have previously only allowed 1 daily flight and now unlimited daily flights. Finally fair rights


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

KUL I understand is an option aswell that has been looked at by NZ. Not sure on their rights via Malaysia though. I'm sure they can get 5th freedom for a KUL-LHR sector though.

AKL-SIN-LHR is not likely at all IMO considering SQ fly AKL-SIN almost double daily with connections to a wide range of European destinations including LHR.


User currently offlineMAS747 From Malaysia, joined Mar 2004, 88 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

i doubt that AirNZ would fly via BKK, as competition with Thai would probably not be welcome since they are both Star Members, and going through Japan/Korea is too far off track..

So i suppose Kul and CDG make sense as other options.. Im sure the Malaysians would give AirNZ fifth freedom rights, probably in exchange for the same in New Zealand (if they dont have it already) then we could see KUL-AKL-LAX


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4563 times:
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Quoting MAS747 (Reply 22):
So i suppose Kul and CDG make sense as other options..

Flying via Paris make no sense to me mate.

NZ1


User currently offlinePieinthesky From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 392 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting MAS747 (Reply 22):
So i suppose Kul and CDG make sense as other options

You would like them to fly via CDG to the UK ???


25 N77014 : Time for NZ to inagurate around-the-world service: AKL-LAX-LHR-(SIN,BKK, etc.)-AKL, and vice versa.
26 MAS747 : sorry sorry sorry sorry... didnt mean CDG... meant CGK.... sorry sorry sorry
27 NZ107 : I'd think that they wouldn't fly to CGK, they don't even offer a flight to DPS, the real holiday spot. I highly doubt that Air NZ would fly there bef
28 MAS747 : Thats true about CGK... But Sin/BKK should be out because of competition on the same routes by other Star Members. HKG/TPE are too far off the route?
29 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I do not Think HKG is too far off. It seems to be the front runner at the moment. I doubt KUL will be operated to as a LHR stop at this stage as I am
30 Zonky : The optimal Great Circle route AKL-LHR passes through Japan.
31 FlyCaledonian : Does this agreement apply to UK carriers too? Just wondering as neither VS or BA serve New Zealand. Would have thought a BA operated LHR-SIN-AKL fligh
32 ZKSUJ : Yea, I was thinking that too, AKL-NRT-LHR. But it does not seem at this stage like NRT is a favourite
33 Asianguy767 : Since SIN & NZ have an open skies agreement I think its likely that ANZ may operate AKL-SIN-LHR even tho SQ has 3 daily flights into LHR. SIN-LHR is c
34 United Airline : I would say HKG. They already have the rights
35 Jakob77 : does NZ even have traffic rights for HKG - LHR?
36 Pe@rson : Shame there's probably not much demand between MNL and AKL and back and TPE and AKL and back, or it could route, say 4-times-weekly, AKL-MNL-LHR-MNL-A
37 ZK-NBT : Pretty sure they have fifth freedom ex HKG to LHR already. NRT is slot restricted and wouldn't be an option because of this IMO. SIN doesn't make senc
38 777ER : Does this agreement apply to UK carriers too? Yes it does. Extract from the link that I provided It opens access to each country's aviation market for
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