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AC 320 Blows Engine On Take-off In YOW  
User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 2 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

This is kind of an interesting story:

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...Region/2005/07/26/1147686-sun.html

Though one can always count on the Ottawa Sun to 'tabloid up" the language the story itself is interesting.

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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Amazing how some journalists and passengers dont know the difference between the speed brakes and the flaps; the one passenger said he "saw the flaps gp up to slow down the plane"...funny!! Glad they were able to abort without injuries to anyone.


One Nation Under God
User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16992 posts, RR: 67
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 hours ago) and read 10752 times:

A word from the expert, ahem, passenger:

I really admire what the pilot did," said Simpson. "He was wonderful. He stopped it almost on a dime. It was expertly done. The guy (the pilot) deserves all the credit.


The fire chief spews a platitude:
"It had the potential to be worse than it was," he said.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineCDNpax From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 hour ago) and read 10612 times:

As you can see, the Sun newspaper only slightly dramatized it...

The Sun is Canada's answer to tabloid trash. I would take any description in it with a grain of salt.

However, kudos to the flight crew on a job well done. YOW to YVR requires a pretty hefty fuel load on an A320. Good thing there were 10,000 ft. to work with.


User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

Does anybody have information about the registration? As I've flown with some of ACs A320s I'd like to know if it was one of "mine"  Wink

User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10123 times:

The registration is C-FFWJ. It is sitting at First Air hangar at YOW being fixed by an AC maintenance crew. The replacement engine arrived at YOW this morning at about 08:00.

Cheers!


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

The whole report doesn't analyze the facts much. I mean, what does the average joe passenger know about the proper handling of an engine blow out on the take-off roll and whether or not the best course of action was taken? Glad everything worked out ok but I would rather reporters talk to people that actually know how these situations are supposed to be handled rather than any member of the public they see standing around. A positive outcome doesn't necessarily tell the whole story... if an aircraft runs out of gas pulling into the gate that doesn't equate to a perfect calculation of gas required for example.

User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9701 times:
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Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 6):
Glad everything worked out ok but I would rather reporters talk to people that actually know how these situations are supposed to be handled rather than any member of the public they see standing around.

Having worked as a reporter for more than 30 years, I can tell you that the "official" version of what happened here won't come out for a while, and the pilots, or other members of the crew, don't go looking for the media after something like this. If the media finds them, their response will be "no comment" until someone in the company clears them to talk to the media -- if they ever do that.

The passenger's reaction and comments are essential to a story meant for average people -- not aviation enthusiasts -- to read. The fact that he doesn't know the difference between flaps, spoilers, ailerons, elevators etc is irrelevant -- neither do 99% of the people reading the story, and it doesn't have any effect on the accuracy of what he was describing. The passenger is entitled to his opinion, the the reporter isn't doing any thing wrong by printing it.

This story may have errors, and for sure its incomplete -- but its the first crack at it. The media is responsible for lots of sins, but this story isn't a bad example. Subsequent stories will have the official version of this incident, and you can bet the media will be looking for the holes. Be glad they do that.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineYOWguy From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

The Ottawa Sun did over dramatize the story, but the other leading paper here, had the story buried 10 pages in and it only a small article.

Kudos to the AC aircrew for averting a more serious problem.


User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

Does anyone have a Fedral report? or Innccident report on this - NTSB or Safty Report?

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/2005/index.asp


User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

Passenger Simpson seems to have all the right contacts !!!!

Firstly he refers to the shredded tyres on the runway when the engine blew(he must have great eye-sight to see the trailing shreds of tyre from his seat), and later the Captain apparently told him that there was loads of debris on the runway when the engine blew!!!! If I was the Captain I would be passing information to any 'joe bloggs'...

Well done to the crew for safely dealing with the incident.



Aviation has a 100% record, we've never left one up there......
User currently offlineSAS330GOT From Sweden, joined May 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

I am supprised he knew the word "flaps"
 tongue 
sas330got


User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 9):
Does anyone have a Fedral report? or Innccident report on this - NTSB or Safty Report?

They have to do an investigation before they do a report on it.


 airplane peanut



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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 5419 times:

Quoting YOWguy (Reply 8):

Kudos to the AC aircrew for averting a more serious problem.



Quoting Eirjet (Reply 10):

Well done to the crew for safely dealing with the incident.

You are proving my point. Everyone is giving kudos to the crew for a job well done because the outcome was good but not necessarily because the proper procedures were followed. If the pilot had been on a shorter runway or wet runway the same response could have resulted in tragedy. Not all good outcomes stem from doing the right thing. How do people on here know that there was a job well done if they weren't in the cockpit and there is no NTSB report? Any pilot can reverse an engine, throw on spoilers, and slam on the brakes... why the kudos? I am glad that the outcome was good but I am going to refrain from calling the captain a hero unless there is some evidence to support it.


User currently offlineYOWguy From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 13):
I am glad that the outcome was good but I am going to refrain from calling the captain a hero unless there is some evidence to support it.

Didn't call the pilot a hero, just gave the crew a pat on the back, for doing the job he was trained to do... Be in control of a situation that could have caused a disaster.

Luckily he was using the 10,000 ft runway instead of the 8,500 ft runway, because like you say there would have been a cause for disaster.

Who says he followed the procedures...I wasn't there and neither was anyone else here on A.net. The pilot and the co-pilot reacted accordingly... end of story.


User currently offlineAviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

I saw the aircraft sitting and being fixed at the First Air hangar...Believe me....No signs of shredded tires and the engine did not look like it was missing any parts......I doubt about the debris.....

Cheers!


User currently offlinePictues From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

if it was on the shorter runnway the pilot probably would have took off and shut the engine down

User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Given the ever-present discussions about ETOPS and single-engine takeoffs, is it safe to assume the plane had not reached V1 yet, hence the aborted takeoff? Is it possible, given the long runaway, that the abort came after V1?

Note that my ETOPS comment is not meant to refer to this specific aircraft, but to indicate that some aircraft (or is it all?) are designed to takeoff with a single engine.


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 17):
Is it possible, given the long runaway, that the abort came after V1?

Doubt it. Never abort after V1 unless structural damage etc. Correct me if I am wrong.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 2):
The fire chief spews a platitude:
"It had the potential to be worse than it was," he said.

Yea, NO S@!T SHERLOCK!

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 9):
Does anyone have a Fedral report? or Innccident report on this - NTSB or Safty Report?

The NTSB is a US entity.


User currently offlineCDNpax From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 13):
Any pilot can reverse an engine, throw on spoilers, and slam on the brakes... why the kudos?

What's that story about any landing you can walk away from... perhaps it should apply to takeoffs as well!

The flight crew handled an abnormal situation and averted any harm to human life or equipment. This is not always the case in these scenarios. The fact that everyone walked away is evidence enough of a job well done to me. Surely you must recognize that there was some element of airmanship demonstrated here regardless of whether they followed procedure or not. It is for this reason that I commend the crew.


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16992 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting PolAir (Reply 18):
Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 17):
Is it possible, given the long runaway, that the abort came after V1?

Doubt it. Never abort after V1 unless structural damage etc. Correct me if I am wrong

You are not wrong. The only reason to reject takeoff after V1 is if the pilots have serious doubts about the ability of the aircraft to fly. In this case, the plane would have flown just fine.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 722 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

There is a report about a Canadian DC10-30, heavily laden (590,000 lbs) for an overseas flight to Taipei, that did abort just after V1 at YVR in 1995, see TSB report at http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1995/a95h0015/a95h0015.asp

It nearly ended in disaster. V1 was 164 knots which is really cooking. Takeoff was rejected at 172 knots. Number 2 reverse thrust was unavailable, and the failure of the no. 1 engine was such that it produced very little reverse thrust. The aircraft ended up collapsing the nose gear in the overrun area of the runway. Fortunately all escaped with only a few minor injuries from the evacuation.

The reason that the takeoff was rejected after V1 was that the captain misinterpreted the loud bang and vibration as potentially being structural failure rather than engine failure.

Mike


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Was it turbine distress.
What the Interm report say.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting CDNpax (Reply 3):
However, kudos to the flight crew on a job well done. YOW to YVR requires a pretty hefty fuel load on an A320. Good thing there were 10,000 ft. to work with.

Yeah apprarently there were 139 pax onboard & crew, so only 1 empty seat.

Quoting YOWguy (Reply 14):
Luckily he was using the 10,000 ft runway instead of the 8,500 ft runway, because like you say there would have been a cause for disaster.

Even if 07/25 the 8,500 ft runway were being used, it would have been a little more dicey, although it's been reported about 2/3 of rwy 32 was used, equating to around 6,700 ft. Working at the airport I can tell you there was a lot of little bits of debris on the runway...but it had re-opened by the following morning.


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